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On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.
I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.
EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?
EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with.
Where did you see these PBE buffs? 3k HP on Tibbers is nuts. Was that the only change?
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On June 04 2013 05:24 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.
I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.
EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?
EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with. Where did you see these PBE buffs? 3k HP on Tibbers is nuts. Was that the only change?
surrenderat20, reignofgaming, and some other people datamine PBE patches and post them.
The other change was reducing the mana cost of Annie's ult, something they've been doing with the older champions pretty systematically.
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Shit, I had forgotten about those buffs.
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Man it'd be really annoying if you got an error half the time when you tried to log into EU west
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On June 04 2013 06:07 Badboyrune wrote:
Man it'd be really annoying if you got an error half the time when you tried to log into EU west
It's a good thing stuff like that doesn't happen for more then a week in a row on our server.
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Ok so this is a general problem of the servers ? I thought ths connection problems a lot of people have just started on my computer.
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Need a new mousepad.
Suggestions?
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you know who i hate? i hate thresh.
when blitz or leona misses a hook you can harass them back for free.
when thresh misses a hook he just says "idgaf" and autoattacks you for a ton of damage anyway.
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On June 04 2013 05:53 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 05:24 overt wrote:On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.
I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.
EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?
EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with. Where did you see these PBE buffs? 3k HP on Tibbers is nuts. Was that the only change? surrenderat20, reignofgaming, and some other people datamine PBE patches and post them. The other change was reducing the mana cost of Annie's ult, something they've been doing with the older champions pretty systematically.
Yeah I had checked there but over looked the Annie changes because there are like eight or nine patches on PBE over the last two weeks. It looked like they buffed the MR on Tibbers too.
On June 04 2013 06:29 kainzero wrote:
you know who i hate? i hate thresh.
when blitz or leona misses a hook you can harass them back for free.
when thresh misses a hook he just says "idgaf" and autoattacks you for a ton of damage anyway.
Thresh is probably the best example ever of when Riot tries to give a champion too much in one kit. Orianna might be another good example. It's gonna be really hard for Riot to balance Thresh tbh.
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The mere fact that he is ranged is enough. I don't understand why they thought they had to have this strange additional damage system
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On June 04 2013 06:23 cLutZ wrote:
Need a new mousepad.
Suggestions?
QPads are pretty great if you like soft mousepads. They come in varying sizes, and designs, they last forever without wearing out (unlike most rough surfaces on hard pads) and they have nice glide.
They also sponsor a Dota2 team.
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On June 04 2013 06:23 cLutZ wrote:
Need a new mousepad.
Suggestions?
I've found that cloth pads get dirty too quickly and are annoying to clean. I'd recommend a hard pad like Steelseries 9HD or Razer Scarab.
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On June 04 2013 06:38 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 05:53 thenexusp wrote:On June 04 2013 05:24 overt wrote:On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.
I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.
EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?
EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with. Where did you see these PBE buffs? 3k HP on Tibbers is nuts. Was that the only change? surrenderat20, reignofgaming, and some other people datamine PBE patches and post them. The other change was reducing the mana cost of Annie's ult, something they've been doing with the older champions pretty systematically. Yeah I had checked there but over looked the Annie changes because there are like eight or nine patches on PBE over the last two weeks. It looked like they buffed the MR on Tibbers too. Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:29 kainzero wrote:
you know who i hate? i hate thresh.
when blitz or leona misses a hook you can harass them back for free.
when thresh misses a hook he just says "idgaf" and autoattacks you for a ton of damage anyway. Thresh is probably the best example ever of when Riot tries to give a champion too much in one kit. Orianna might be another good example. It's gonna be really hard for Riot to balance Thresh tbh.
Best example of too much shit in a kit is probably pre-nerf Rengar imo. Tons of damage, tankiness, sustain, cc, gapcloser, and stealth. Only think missing was % health damage.
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On June 04 2013 06:56 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:38 overt wrote:On June 04 2013 05:53 thenexusp wrote:On June 04 2013 05:24 overt wrote:On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.
I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.
EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?
EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with. Where did you see these PBE buffs? 3k HP on Tibbers is nuts. Was that the only change? surrenderat20, reignofgaming, and some other people datamine PBE patches and post them. The other change was reducing the mana cost of Annie's ult, something they've been doing with the older champions pretty systematically. Yeah I had checked there but over looked the Annie changes because there are like eight or nine patches on PBE over the last two weeks. It looked like they buffed the MR on Tibbers too. On June 04 2013 06:29 kainzero wrote:
you know who i hate? i hate thresh.
when blitz or leona misses a hook you can harass them back for free.
when thresh misses a hook he just says "idgaf" and autoattacks you for a ton of damage anyway. Thresh is probably the best example ever of when Riot tries to give a champion too much in one kit. Orianna might be another good example. It's gonna be really hard for Riot to balance Thresh tbh. Best example of too much shit in a kit is probably pre-nerf Rengar imo. Tons of damage, tankiness, sustain, cc, gapcloser, and stealth. Only think missing was % health damage.
He had % Health healing, close enough!
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On June 04 2013 06:56 caelym wrote:I've found that cloth pads get dirty too quickly and are annoying to clean. I'd recommend a hard pad like Steelseries 9HD or Razer Scarab.
On June 04 2013 06:53 Badboyrune wrote:QPads are pretty great if you like soft mousepads. They come in varying sizes, and designs, they last forever without wearing out (unlike most rough surfaces on hard pads) and they have nice glide. They also sponsor a Dota2 team.
Do you 2 have opposing views lol?
On June 04 2013 06:56 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:38 overt wrote:On June 04 2013 05:53 thenexusp wrote:On June 04 2013 05:24 overt wrote:On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.
I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.
EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?
EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with. Where did you see these PBE buffs? 3k HP on Tibbers is nuts. Was that the only change? surrenderat20, reignofgaming, and some other people datamine PBE patches and post them. The other change was reducing the mana cost of Annie's ult, something they've been doing with the older champions pretty systematically. Yeah I had checked there but over looked the Annie changes because there are like eight or nine patches on PBE over the last two weeks. It looked like they buffed the MR on Tibbers too. On June 04 2013 06:29 kainzero wrote:
you know who i hate? i hate thresh.
when blitz or leona misses a hook you can harass them back for free.
when thresh misses a hook he just says "idgaf" and autoattacks you for a ton of damage anyway. Thresh is probably the best example ever of when Riot tries to give a champion too much in one kit. Orianna might be another good example. It's gonna be really hard for Riot to balance Thresh tbh. Best example of too much shit in a kit is probably pre-nerf Rengar imo. Tons of damage, tankiness, sustain, cc, gapcloser, and stealth. Only think missing was % health damage.
And range. Taric and Blitz demonstrate that Thresh would still be a strong support if he was melle. He arguably has more than either of them plus the ranged harass.
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On June 04 2013 07:00 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:56 caelym wrote:On June 04 2013 06:23 cLutZ wrote:
Need a new mousepad.
Suggestions? I've found that cloth pads get dirty too quickly and are annoying to clean. I'd recommend a hard pad like Steelseries 9HD or Razer Scarab. Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:53 Badboyrune wrote:On June 04 2013 06:23 cLutZ wrote:
Need a new mousepad.
Suggestions? QPads are pretty great if you like soft mousepads. They come in varying sizes, and designs, they last forever without wearing out (unlike most rough surfaces on hard pads) and they have nice glide. They also sponsor a Dota2 team. Do you 2 have opposing views lol? Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:56 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 04 2013 06:38 overt wrote:On June 04 2013 05:53 thenexusp wrote:On June 04 2013 05:24 overt wrote:On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.
I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.
EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?
EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with. Where did you see these PBE buffs? 3k HP on Tibbers is nuts. Was that the only change? surrenderat20, reignofgaming, and some other people datamine PBE patches and post them. The other change was reducing the mana cost of Annie's ult, something they've been doing with the older champions pretty systematically. Yeah I had checked there but over looked the Annie changes because there are like eight or nine patches on PBE over the last two weeks. It looked like they buffed the MR on Tibbers too. On June 04 2013 06:29 kainzero wrote:
you know who i hate? i hate thresh.
when blitz or leona misses a hook you can harass them back for free.
when thresh misses a hook he just says "idgaf" and autoattacks you for a ton of damage anyway. Thresh is probably the best example ever of when Riot tries to give a champion too much in one kit. Orianna might be another good example. It's gonna be really hard for Riot to balance Thresh tbh. Best example of too much shit in a kit is probably pre-nerf Rengar imo. Tons of damage, tankiness, sustain, cc, gapcloser, and stealth. Only think missing was % health damage. And range. Taric and Blitz demonstrate that Thresh would still be a strong support if he was melle. He arguably has more than either of them plus the ranged harass.
I've had a Zowie (I think) cloth pad that got dirty quite often and needed cleaning. I've not had the same experience with the QPad however. The QPad is a lot smoother than the zowie mat and the material is more 'rubbery' than zowie that was more cloth like. Dust and stuff stuck to the zowie one, but not really to the qpad.
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On June 04 2013 03:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 03:43 overt wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game than reddit.
How is Annie's ult bad and how is a suggestion to increase Tibbers move speed make it to their front page? If you really thought Annie wasn't viable why would this make her viable? Mark my words, if Riot makes Tibbers fast enough that people can't kite it that well in team fights Tibbers will become the best team fight ult in the game. It's already really close considering it's an AoE stun with high initial damage and 45 seconds of 30(+.2 AP) teamfight AoE dps if the enemy team doesn't focus on it (and if they focus Tibbers they aren't killing your team for probably a full 1-1.5 seconds so it's a win-win). If Riot made Tibbers any faster, there would be almost 0 reason to pick Viktor at all (aside from poke range). But people thinking Annie is bad just lets me keep wrecking mid laners, so whatever.
can anyone give me a S3 annie guide? She was my favorite back in the days. I played her Dring stack into Dcap. Are there any other itemizations?
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On June 04 2013 03:43 overt wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game than reddit.
How is Annie's ult bad and how is a suggestion to increase Tibbers move speed make it to their front page? If you really thought Annie wasn't viable why would this make her viable? Mark my words, if Riot makes Tibbers fast enough that people can't kite it that well in team fights Tibbers will become the best team fight ult in the game. It's already really close considering it's an AoE stun with high initial damage and 45 seconds of 30(+.2 AP) teamfight AoE dps if the enemy team doesn't focus on it (and if they focus Tibbers they aren't killing your team for probably a full 1-1.5 seconds so it's a win-win).
Reddit is a terrible place to get ideas or strategic advice or any form of reasonable discussion from. Most of their attempts at balance and trying to theorycraft competitive play are... often questionable. It's very much the case of people thinking their understanding of the game is above everyone else, but it's ok they're part of Reddit so they're not bad like those "other people".
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On June 04 2013 07:16 nosliw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 03:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:On June 04 2013 03:43 overt wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game than reddit.
How is Annie's ult bad and how is a suggestion to increase Tibbers move speed make it to their front page? If you really thought Annie wasn't viable why would this make her viable? Mark my words, if Riot makes Tibbers fast enough that people can't kite it that well in team fights Tibbers will become the best team fight ult in the game. It's already really close considering it's an AoE stun with high initial damage and 45 seconds of 30(+.2 AP) teamfight AoE dps if the enemy team doesn't focus on it (and if they focus Tibbers they aren't killing your team for probably a full 1-1.5 seconds so it's a win-win). If Riot made Tibbers any faster, there would be almost 0 reason to pick Viktor at all (aside from poke range). But people thinking Annie is bad just lets me keep wrecking mid laners, so whatever. can anyone give me a S3 annie guide? She was my favorite back in the days. I played her Dring stack into Dcap. Are there any other itemizations?
Someone has kept the Annie guide updated all throughout S3 on TL. JUST SAYING!
There's a really interesting/unique S3 Annie guide on SoloMid where you rush Mobo boots too. Been playing it for the last week and it's pretty damn strong in solo queue because you're Annie with 479 MS.
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TheOddOne has 40k+ viewers on twitch talking about how flat penetration and % penetration works lol.
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