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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:44:28
June 03 2013 23:42 GMT
#5101
hmm I thought about rushing elder lizard before tear on ez a bit more. if you rush it, you get a power spike around 10 minutes and are strong for the first dragon. tear first delays elder lizard to 13 minutes, by which time, the opponent will finish BT. Finishing elder lizard before their BT is important to keeping pace in damage and presence. This is mostly theorycraft on my part though.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:43:09
June 03 2013 23:42 GMT
#5102
On June 04 2013 08:41 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 08:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
New bundles coming to the LoL store!

They are gonna be flexible like the TPA bundle and scale with content you already own.I don't like this one bit, I'm bad at passing up bulk deals...


Wow, so now people can get Goth Annie and Huntress Sivir without having to drop $30.

I don't think so.
twitch.tv/cratonz
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:47:09
June 03 2013 23:45 GMT
#5103
On June 04 2013 08:42 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 08:41 overt wrote:
On June 04 2013 08:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
New bundles coming to the LoL store!

They are gonna be flexible like the TPA bundle and scale with content you already own.I don't like this one bit, I'm bad at passing up bulk deals...


Wow, so now people can get Goth Annie and Huntress Sivir without having to drop $30.

I don't think so.

Yep, you totally can. The bundles have a base 975 cost so if you have all of the other content already the bundle will only cost 975 RP and will unlock the skin. Confirmed on my own account.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 03 2013 23:52 GMT
#5104
I think the bigger issue is that people would actually spend 975RP on Gothic Annie when Frostfire, Reverse, and Panda exist.
twitch.tv/cratonz
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 03 2013 23:54 GMT
#5105
You're crazy, Goth Annie is so good after the remake. Purple flames FTW. Although Panda is better, can't argue with that.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 03 2013 23:55 GMT
#5106
Your parents must be so disappointed.
twitch.tv/cratonz
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:59:05
June 03 2013 23:55 GMT
#5107
The problem is that they announced a new Ultimate skin coming out soon, and I wanna save my precious RP for that. But I don't even know if I have the champion, much less whether I'll like it or not x.x

EDIT: Also Goth Annie is pretty goshdarn good, tyvm
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 03 2013 23:59 GMT
#5108
I refuse to spend that much on a skin, no matter how good it is.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 00:04:22
June 04 2013 00:00 GMT
#5109
So wait ghandi..and if u dont like it, bundle time

Frostfire annie > goth annie anyway and huntress sivir is bad.

@Caelym

I feel like the only thing wrong in that situation is being weak for first dragon, which is pretty bad. Not getting lizard before an opponents BT just means you need to play it safe, and lets face it, your ez, double flash bye opponent. You have lizard at 13 mins and i guess BT would be finished at what, 11-12? so you just play it safe for a couple mins and farm, go B and get your lizard.

The thing is, with tear first, you get lizard at 13 mins and manamune at 15-16. So you'll get shit on before lizard, struggle afterwards and then pound him like a hooker in a hotel room after that.

This is theory though i dont know a whole lot about ADC's :|

It all comes back to that first dragon in the end, which makes all of this pointless, you need power. I could see it working in specific comps though, where mid / top or jungler are strong at the 10-15 minute mark. Then afterwards mid's always shine mid-game anyway and you go beast mode too, so your at an advantage. You just have a really weak 10-15
Useless wet fish.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 00:02:16
June 04 2013 00:01 GMT
#5110
Old man Craton just disproves of the Goth culture and takes it out on the awesome skin.

Edit: Also Huntress Sivir is bad now, but just wait till the visual rework.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 04 2013 00:03 GMT
#5111
You should feel bad for wanting an inferior skin.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
twitch.tv/cratonz
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 04 2013 00:03 GMT
#5112
I actually think that Panda Annie > Frostfire > Goth. I already own Panda and Frostfire though so I can't justify another Annie skin but it's still cool of Riot so that people who want Goth Annie don't have to ruin their wallet to get it.

Panda Annie has such an adorable backing animation that it beats out all other Annie skins.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 00:05:48
June 04 2013 00:04 GMT
#5113
Agree to disagree.

Edit: Clearly we need MoonBear here to decree his official ranking of Annie skins.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 04 2013 00:05 GMT
#5114
^Craton OP. He knows. HE KNOWS. :D

Panda annie is shit, reverse annie is pretty cool though.
Useless wet fish.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 04 2013 00:05 GMT
#5115
I probably would've gone Panda if I didn't have Frostfire.
twitch.tv/cratonz
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 00:07:07
June 04 2013 00:06 GMT
#5116
Now I want to buy Panda Annie...
On June 04 2013 09:05 Capped wrote:
^Craton OP. He knows. HE KNOWS. :D

Panda annie is shit, reverse annie is pretty cool though.

Ahh hell no. We clearly need a skin debate thread.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 00:19:33
June 04 2013 00:17 GMT
#5117
Surprised so much love for Panda Annie skin... I agree with old man Craton on this one; Frostfire is best Annie skin.
On June 04 2013 08:13 RagequitBM wrote:
Well. Doublelift went BT before tear, and he was god mode. Tried it, slammed everyone.

Ezreal just stacks tear so quickly. So you can afford to delay a bit. Everytime you were going to Q, use W too. Less than 100 of those, and you're full stackaroonios

I'm a huge fan of BT first; it prevents that weird tear's power lull; all while being able to stack tears extremely efficiently during the "midgame" i stay in lane and splitpush all day timing.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 00:21:27
June 04 2013 00:19 GMT
#5118
I don't play Annie. Where do I stand? Punching bag to give you all a point of agreement?

v Woad Ashe obv.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 00:22:00
June 04 2013 00:20 GMT
#5119
wut about ashe? I have queen and freilord skins and idk which one to use...Also ameythest overrated

Skin debate thread seems interesting, does ppl wants? I cud makes one and finally contribute to this website :3
Useless wet fish.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 04 2013 00:22 GMT
#5120
No skin ashe best ashe.
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