• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:10
CET 04:10
KST 12:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival12TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9
Community News
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!9BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams7Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest3Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou22
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" The New Patch Killed Mech! Could we add "Avoid Matchup" Feature for rankgame Smart servos says it affects liberators as well Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou
Tourneys
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival BSL Season 21 BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET ASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking!
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION ASL final tickets help [ASL20] Semifinal A
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Sabrina was soooo lame on S…
Peanutsc
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1277 users

[Patch 3.05: Balance Update] General Discussion - Page 6

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 210 Next
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 10 2013 04:30 GMT
#101
On April 10 2013 13:11 ReketSomething wrote:
Just wanted to share this treasure...



+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.reddit.com/r/bestofbronze <= golden subreddit


HoG!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
April 10 2013 04:30 GMT
#102
Willing to bet akali will still be fine..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 10 2013 04:32 GMT
#103
IMO karma's low winrate is because she doesn't play like a traditional so where you press buttons and do tons of damage. Obviously an oversimplification, but it's the same way if a person picked up, say, twitch and tries to win by just autoing without any idea of how his passive/ expunge worked. Her kit is very supporty, it does damage but so much of the value comes from it's other effects.

If we look at her mantra'd e objectively, it's a spell worth like at least 4, 5k gold-- shurleya, locket all in one. Kind of weird but it's pretty ridiculous.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 10 2013 04:33 GMT
#104
On April 10 2013 13:29 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 13:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:23 Shikyo wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:11 sob3k wrote:
woohoo karma gonna spam dat even more

lol try ganking karma top

1. Mantra Q at gankers, 50% slow field

2. Speed self 60% for 1.5 seconds, shield

3. Tether ganker

you aint touching shit

1. You can dodge skillshots, that's not even a difficult one to dodge. 2. Does barely anything. 3. If you're still in range, good luck surviving.

Not many people get ganked by enemies in plain view. If you get ganked from behind, you're screwed, just as you are if you get laneganked or brush ganked, or caught without mantra.

It's like my one friend we play Smash Bros with, anytime we exclaim in frustration about getting it he just says "Dodge it!" Gets pretty annoying, it's not always that easy, and a lot of people aren't doing to dodge it. We aren't all playing at high Elo so Karma's escape mechanics are gonna be pretty good when people aren't dodging skill shots.

Oh I was the best player in Finland in SSBM for 4 years, what is difficult to dodge exactly? Falco's SHL and Fox's SHDL are difficult but other projectiles you shouldn't often get hit by. The strategies are mostly based around reducing the opponent's options by making them dodge those, indeed. And still, it can only slow one person as they aren't going to clump up... Still not really "ungankable" -.-


edit: My responses are weirdly timed or something, getting confused

I deleted my post on accident trying to add a second quote and couldn't get back to the old state in order to edit it >_>
That's my point though, I'm not the best SSMB player anywhere and have a hard time dodging stuff or I let my opponent mind game me into taking free harass.. If you are that good you are in the minority but you're speaking as if the a majority of people are at the same skill level. I guess it's just the absoluteness of the statement that rubbed me the wrong way.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 10 2013 04:39 GMT
#105
http://www.sksports.net/T1/T1Players/lolplayers/listplayer.asp

RANGED DRILLER lol. Is that a mistake or intentional???
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 10 2013 04:40 GMT
#106
On April 10 2013 13:30 Parnage wrote:
Willing to bet akali will still be fine..


Her laning phase won't be as obnoxious as before, otherwise, I think she will be fine.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 10 2013 04:46 GMT
#107
On April 10 2013 13:39 Sufficiency wrote:
http://www.sksports.net/T1/T1Players/lolplayers/listplayer.asp

RANGED DRILLER lol. Is that a mistake or intentional???

It's ranged Diller, not Driller.

From urban dictionary:

Diller can be used to descibe many things. In replace of cool, good, or penis.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6214 Posts
April 10 2013 04:54 GMT
#108
I really wish riot would change the font, just a little. !'s look like I's look like l's.

Example:

http://i.imgur.com/esVNu1v.jpg

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh and I hit plat I and got scared that i was promoted to the same division as I was in previously


On the patch notes though, I'm surprised they aren't tweaking khazix/thresh. Khazix because his jump+voidspikes are pretty ridiculous and thresh because he's a more powerful version of blitzcrank. He can hook from further (despite the longer windup), brings an insane amount of damage to the table, is tanky via a shield and bonus armor AND can outpoke a lot of supports with autoattacks instead of being a binary support like blitz.

red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
April 10 2013 04:56 GMT
#109
On April 10 2013 13:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 13:30 Parnage wrote:
Willing to bet akali will still be fine..


Her laning phase won't be as obnoxious as before, otherwise, I think she will be fine.


She won't be absolutely gutted but it's a hefty nerf. Her laning will obviously be weaker, which for a champ that requires the early power 'spike'(curve not sharp enough!) means she risks not hitting it more. Whether you hate the assassin role is a completely different discussion, but this nerf is huge for an assassin because they need that early power to get to a point where they can kill people at correct timings, or risk being wastes of space in teamfights.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 10 2013 05:13 GMT
#110
On April 10 2013 13:56 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 13:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:30 Parnage wrote:
Willing to bet akali will still be fine..


Her laning phase won't be as obnoxious as before, otherwise, I think she will be fine.


She won't be absolutely gutted but it's a hefty nerf. Her laning will obviously be weaker, which for a champ that requires the early power 'spike'(curve not sharp enough!) means she risks not hitting it more. Whether you hate the assassin role is a completely different discussion, but this nerf is huge for an assassin because they need that early power to get to a point where they can kill people at correct timings, or risk being wastes of space in teamfights.

Her early pre-6 lane was bad enough as is; she could survive lane still, and force some pot burns early on. But that level 1- ult nerf hurts; especially since her post-6 is whats suppose to help her win back her lane after tough lane phase.
liftlift > tsm
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 10 2013 05:16 GMT
#111
probably basic translated by some temp goober. zzzz
maybe ranged dealer? as in ranged attack dealer? who knows rofl
Hey! Listen!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 10 2013 05:20 GMT
#112
On April 10 2013 14:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 13:56 red_ wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:30 Parnage wrote:
Willing to bet akali will still be fine..


Her laning phase won't be as obnoxious as before, otherwise, I think she will be fine.


She won't be absolutely gutted but it's a hefty nerf. Her laning will obviously be weaker, which for a champ that requires the early power 'spike'(curve not sharp enough!) means she risks not hitting it more. Whether you hate the assassin role is a completely different discussion, but this nerf is huge for an assassin because they need that early power to get to a point where they can kill people at correct timings, or risk being wastes of space in teamfights.

Her early pre-6 lane was bad enough as is; she could survive lane still, and force some pot burns early on. But that level 1- ult nerf hurts; especially since her post-6 is whats suppose to help her win back her lane after tough lane phase.


I feel like with the Q change they are aiming to make her lanephase roughly equivalent to kassadin. Except Kassadin when it hits lategame is one of the absolute best AP's, while akali kinda has to snowball midgame to be remain useful.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
April 10 2013 05:24 GMT
#113
Surprised Kha still hasn't gotten nerfed more. Still ridiculous as fuck.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
April 10 2013 05:40 GMT
#114
On April 10 2013 14:20 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 14:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:56 red_ wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:30 Parnage wrote:
Willing to bet akali will still be fine..


Her laning phase won't be as obnoxious as before, otherwise, I think she will be fine.


She won't be absolutely gutted but it's a hefty nerf. Her laning will obviously be weaker, which for a champ that requires the early power 'spike'(curve not sharp enough!) means she risks not hitting it more. Whether you hate the assassin role is a completely different discussion, but this nerf is huge for an assassin because they need that early power to get to a point where they can kill people at correct timings, or risk being wastes of space in teamfights.

Her early pre-6 lane was bad enough as is; she could survive lane still, and force some pot burns early on. But that level 1- ult nerf hurts; especially since her post-6 is whats suppose to help her win back her lane after tough lane phase.


I feel like with the Q change they are aiming to make her lanephase roughly equivalent to kassadin. Except Kassadin when it hits lategame is one of the absolute best AP's, while akali kinda has to snowball midgame to be remain useful.


I think another key point that Riot hopefully considered(doubtful) is that Akali is one of the great abusers of mass pot openings right now just to scrape by and hit that lvl 6 'healthy.' If they go forward with the nerfs to mass pot openers she is going to be on the frontline of champs hurt by it with less options than others(Flask is a no, new red pot is a no, rejuv beads are dead ends for her, tome only leaves money for 1 pot).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
April 10 2013 05:42 GMT
#115
On April 10 2013 14:40 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 14:20 Amui wrote:
On April 10 2013 14:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:56 red_ wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:30 Parnage wrote:
Willing to bet akali will still be fine..


Her laning phase won't be as obnoxious as before, otherwise, I think she will be fine.


She won't be absolutely gutted but it's a hefty nerf. Her laning will obviously be weaker, which for a champ that requires the early power 'spike'(curve not sharp enough!) means she risks not hitting it more. Whether you hate the assassin role is a completely different discussion, but this nerf is huge for an assassin because they need that early power to get to a point where they can kill people at correct timings, or risk being wastes of space in teamfights.

Her early pre-6 lane was bad enough as is; she could survive lane still, and force some pot burns early on. But that level 1- ult nerf hurts; especially since her post-6 is whats suppose to help her win back her lane after tough lane phase.


I feel like with the Q change they are aiming to make her lanephase roughly equivalent to kassadin. Except Kassadin when it hits lategame is one of the absolute best AP's, while akali kinda has to snowball midgame to be remain useful.


I think another key point that Riot hopefully considered(doubtful) is that Akali is one of the great abusers of mass pot openings right now just to scrape by and hit that lvl 6 'healthy.' If they go forward with the nerfs to mass pot openers she is going to be on the frontline of champs hurt by it with less options than others(Flask is a no, new red pot is a no, rejuv beads are dead ends for her, tome only leaves money for 1 pot).


Good thing Riot is known for changing only one factor at a time and letting it play out for a long time so we can see if the game stabilizes and correctly gauge the effects of the balance change.
Administrator@TL_Zess
| (• ◡•)|八 (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 10 2013 05:46 GMT
#116
Akali is alot like Darius in that she has a kit that is hard to balance for all levels of play. Using the SSBM analogy, it is alot like the Shiek chaingrab vs. certain chars. This is TL, and therefore caters only to good players (and players who think they are good), but Akali is presumably antifun to face for a significant portion of the playerbase.

On that note, I am not at all disappointed by the Volibear nerfs, he is not fun to see in pro games. Basically an unfun Singed.

Also Curse streams make elementz look(sound) terrible.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 10 2013 05:50 GMT
#117
On April 10 2013 14:42 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 14:40 red_ wrote:
On April 10 2013 14:20 Amui wrote:
On April 10 2013 14:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:56 red_ wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 10 2013 13:30 Parnage wrote:
Willing to bet akali will still be fine..


Her laning phase won't be as obnoxious as before, otherwise, I think she will be fine.


She won't be absolutely gutted but it's a hefty nerf. Her laning will obviously be weaker, which for a champ that requires the early power 'spike'(curve not sharp enough!) means she risks not hitting it more. Whether you hate the assassin role is a completely different discussion, but this nerf is huge for an assassin because they need that early power to get to a point where they can kill people at correct timings, or risk being wastes of space in teamfights.

Her early pre-6 lane was bad enough as is; she could survive lane still, and force some pot burns early on. But that level 1- ult nerf hurts; especially since her post-6 is whats suppose to help her win back her lane after tough lane phase.


I feel like with the Q change they are aiming to make her lanephase roughly equivalent to kassadin. Except Kassadin when it hits lategame is one of the absolute best AP's, while akali kinda has to snowball midgame to be remain useful.


I think another key point that Riot hopefully considered(doubtful) is that Akali is one of the great abusers of mass pot openings right now just to scrape by and hit that lvl 6 'healthy.' If they go forward with the nerfs to mass pot openers she is going to be on the frontline of champs hurt by it with less options than others(Flask is a no, new red pot is a no, rejuv beads are dead ends for her, tome only leaves money for 1 pot).


Good thing Riot is known for changing only one factor at a time and letting it play out for a long time so we can see if the game stabilizes and correctly gauge the effects of the balance change.

Why do you think it took them so long to change eve, twitch, karma, and kat? they're still waiting on how those mana changes to heimer turrets are affecting him still.
liftlift > tsm
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17262 Posts
April 10 2013 06:03 GMT
#118
Just delete them all and refund the ip/rp.

Balance solved.
twitch.tv/cratonz
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 10 2013 06:03 GMT
#119
On April 10 2013 13:11 ReketSomething wrote:
Just wanted to share this treasure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci3-OaSXx_4

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.reddit.com/r/bestofbronze <= golden subreddit


LOL.

I like how he literally missed everything.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 06:15:14
April 10 2013 06:13 GMT
#120
On April 10 2013 14:46 cLutZ wrote:
Akali is alot like Darius in that she has a kit that is hard to balance for all levels of play. Using the SSBM analogy, it is alot like the Shiek chaingrab vs. certain chars. This is TL, and therefore caters only to good players (and players who think they are good), but Akali is presumably antifun to face for a significant portion of the playerbase.

On that note, I am not at all disappointed by the Volibear nerfs, he is not fun to see in pro games. Basically an unfun Singed.

Also Curse streams make elementz look(sound) terrible.

Sheik chaingrab made 70% of the roster completely unusable and has no counterplay at all apart from just not getting grabbed by a character with likely the second-best grabgame in the entire game after Marth. This isn't even close to that.

You could perhaps use something like CCC Dsmash by peach against players who cannot space, that would be a legit comparison.

On April 10 2013 15:03 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 13:11 ReketSomething wrote:
Just wanted to share this treasure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci3-OaSXx_4

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.reddit.com/r/bestofbronze <= golden subreddit


LOL.

I like how he literally missed everything.

My favorite part is that the Amumu maxes Q first as a jungler.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 210 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
01:00
Open Quali #1
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PiG Daily
22:10
Best Games of SC
Rogue vs herO
MaxPax vs Clem
MaxPax vs Lambo
Clem vs herO
Reynor vs Classic
PiGStarcraft537
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft537
Nathanias 100
ProTech99
Livibee 70
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 702
ZZZero.O 62
Bale 50
Jaeyun 42
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever802
PGG 632
XaKoH 479
NeuroSwarm47
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 786
Counter-Strike
fl0m1807
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0724
hungrybox561
Other Games
summit1g8474
WinterStarcraft380
Day[9].tv347
Maynarde128
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick973
BasetradeTV45
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH138
• Mapu31
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21193
League of Legends
• Doublelift4230
• Rush479
• Stunt330
• Lourlo200
Other Games
• Day9tv347
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 50m
Streamerzone vs Shopify Rebellion
Streamerzone vs Team Vitality
Shopify Rebellion vs Team Vitality
WardiTV Invitational
8h 50m
CrankTV Team League
9h 50m
BASILISK vs Shopify Rebellion
Team Liquid vs Team Falcon
BSL 21
21h 50m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
BASILISK vs TBD
Team Liquid vs Team Falcon
OSC
1d 8h
CrankTV Team League
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
4 days
Dewalt vs Shine
UltrA vs ZeLoT
BSL 21
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
5 days
Cross vs Motive
Sziky vs HiyA
BSL 21
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20
WardiTV TLMC #15
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.