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On April 10 2013 11:16 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:11 sung_moon wrote:On April 10 2013 08:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
thresh is the most OP champion in a long time and is pretty much the only perm ban in blind games where you dont know the opponent as in when you cant target ban. I'm sorry, call me bad but I don't see how he's that good. I mean lantern gank setups are really fucking good, Box is pretty strong in AOE team comps, and he has a ton of opportunities for outplays, but that OP??? Lantern ganks are the obvious ones. Then there's the 3 billion year stun hook combo and Thresh himself dealing more DMG than many ADCs(and more DMG than like Sona), AoE shield, Lantern saves and harrass(throwing lantern at enemy tower -> having your mage go really far and spam all his skills and lantern away sure makes sense), being really tanky for free, extremely powerful initiation ult that makes Blitzcrank's look like junk... Your lane wins every 2v2 committment and you harrass better than anything ... Hmm. As long as the team knows how to utilize his stuff they need to try really hard to lose if the Thresh is good. And of course the "oh I got caught 1v5 but thresh threw a lantern from around a screen away, luckily I can now escape vs 5 people for free" Oh I'm happy about the Akali nerfs. Really dislike how I need to buy a pink ward as my first items to prevent myself getting allined at 6 no matter how far ahead I initially am. Now her laning should be just about as bad as it should, but still should be able to accomplish something lategame(more overall dmg after 300AP).
You obviously never played Thresh. NOONE clicks on your lantern, ever. You can do the coolest plays in history, people will still rather die then click your lantern. I have seen people get ganked, me throwing a lantern right in their retreat path which would have saved their live, and them just ignoring the lantern, running through it and dying far more often then i have seen anyone click on that lantern.
And good luck finding a jungler who will ever come gank botlane with lantern assistance. They don't. You tell them "Come bot, come through lane, i'll give you lantern, free easy kills". And then they don't come, ever.
If you play Thresh, your lantern is basically a shield. The movement part of it is neglectable because NOONE EVER CLICKS ON IT.
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On April 10 2013 11:35 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:16 Shikyo wrote:On April 10 2013 11:11 sung_moon wrote:On April 10 2013 08:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
thresh is the most OP champion in a long time and is pretty much the only perm ban in blind games where you dont know the opponent as in when you cant target ban. I'm sorry, call me bad but I don't see how he's that good. I mean lantern gank setups are really fucking good, Box is pretty strong in AOE team comps, and he has a ton of opportunities for outplays, but that OP??? Lantern ganks are the obvious ones. Then there's the 3 billion year stun hook combo and Thresh himself dealing more DMG than many ADCs(and more DMG than like Sona), AoE shield, Lantern saves and harrass(throwing lantern at enemy tower -> having your mage go really far and spam all his skills and lantern away sure makes sense), being really tanky for free, extremely powerful initiation ult that makes Blitzcrank's look like junk... Your lane wins every 2v2 committment and you harrass better than anything ... Hmm. As long as the team knows how to utilize his stuff they need to try really hard to lose if the Thresh is good. And of course the "oh I got caught 1v5 but thresh threw a lantern from around a screen away, luckily I can now escape vs 5 people for free" Oh I'm happy about the Akali nerfs. Really dislike how I need to buy a pink ward as my first items to prevent myself getting allined at 6 no matter how far ahead I initially am. Now her laning should be just about as bad as it should, but still should be able to accomplish something lategame(more overall dmg after 300AP). You obviously never played Thresh. NOONE clicks on your lantern, ever. You can do the coolest plays in history, people will still rather die then click your lantern. I have seen people get ganked, me throwing a lantern right in their retreat path which would have saved their live, and them just ignoring the lantern, running through it and dying far more often then i have seen anyone click on that lantern. And good luck finding a jungler who will ever come gank botlane with lantern assistance. They don't. You tell them "Come bot, come through lane, i'll give you lantern, free easy kills". And then they don't come, ever. If you play Thresh, your lantern is basically a shield. The movement part of it is neglectable because NOONE EVER CLICKS ON IT.
Hmmm I dropped to silver 2 and I do click thresh's lantern and plenty of people know how it functions. People will get better at it over time. Oh right and in a few games already the jungler's been able to perform numerous sick ganks with lanterns. -> I don't believe no one clicks your lanterns.
Actually even when Thesh throws a random lantern in the middle of the lane to farm souls, I sometimes just go harrass the enemy ADC and then peace out with the lantern, getting free harrass in.
I don't also see how bad teammates -> Thresh isn't incredibly OP.
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On April 10 2013 11:35 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:16 Shikyo wrote:On April 10 2013 11:11 sung_moon wrote:On April 10 2013 08:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
thresh is the most OP champion in a long time and is pretty much the only perm ban in blind games where you dont know the opponent as in when you cant target ban. I'm sorry, call me bad but I don't see how he's that good. I mean lantern gank setups are really fucking good, Box is pretty strong in AOE team comps, and he has a ton of opportunities for outplays, but that OP??? Lantern ganks are the obvious ones. Then there's the 3 billion year stun hook combo and Thresh himself dealing more DMG than many ADCs(and more DMG than like Sona), AoE shield, Lantern saves and harrass(throwing lantern at enemy tower -> having your mage go really far and spam all his skills and lantern away sure makes sense), being really tanky for free, extremely powerful initiation ult that makes Blitzcrank's look like junk... Your lane wins every 2v2 committment and you harrass better than anything ... Hmm. As long as the team knows how to utilize his stuff they need to try really hard to lose if the Thresh is good. And of course the "oh I got caught 1v5 but thresh threw a lantern from around a screen away, luckily I can now escape vs 5 people for free" Oh I'm happy about the Akali nerfs. Really dislike how I need to buy a pink ward as my first items to prevent myself getting allined at 6 no matter how far ahead I initially am. Now her laning should be just about as bad as it should, but still should be able to accomplish something lategame(more overall dmg after 300AP). You obviously never played Thresh. NOONE clicks on your lantern, ever. You can do the coolest plays in history, people will still rather die then click your lantern. I have seen people get ganked, me throwing a lantern right in their retreat path which would have saved their live, and them just ignoring the lantern, running through it and dying far more often then i have seen anyone click on that lantern. And good luck finding a jungler who will ever come gank botlane with lantern assistance. They don't. You tell them "Come bot, come through lane, i'll give you lantern, free easy kills". And then they don't come, ever. If you play Thresh, your lantern is basically a shield. The movement part of it is neglectable because NOONE EVER CLICKS ON IT.
I always start every Thresh game with "Please remember to click the lantern."
Even without the lantern saves Thresh is still pretty strong.
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On April 10 2013 11:37 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:35 Simberto wrote:On April 10 2013 11:16 Shikyo wrote:On April 10 2013 11:11 sung_moon wrote:On April 10 2013 08:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
thresh is the most OP champion in a long time and is pretty much the only perm ban in blind games where you dont know the opponent as in when you cant target ban. I'm sorry, call me bad but I don't see how he's that good. I mean lantern gank setups are really fucking good, Box is pretty strong in AOE team comps, and he has a ton of opportunities for outplays, but that OP??? Lantern ganks are the obvious ones. Then there's the 3 billion year stun hook combo and Thresh himself dealing more DMG than many ADCs(and more DMG than like Sona), AoE shield, Lantern saves and harrass(throwing lantern at enemy tower -> having your mage go really far and spam all his skills and lantern away sure makes sense), being really tanky for free, extremely powerful initiation ult that makes Blitzcrank's look like junk... Your lane wins every 2v2 committment and you harrass better than anything ... Hmm. As long as the team knows how to utilize his stuff they need to try really hard to lose if the Thresh is good. And of course the "oh I got caught 1v5 but thresh threw a lantern from around a screen away, luckily I can now escape vs 5 people for free" Oh I'm happy about the Akali nerfs. Really dislike how I need to buy a pink ward as my first items to prevent myself getting allined at 6 no matter how far ahead I initially am. Now her laning should be just about as bad as it should, but still should be able to accomplish something lategame(more overall dmg after 300AP). You obviously never played Thresh. NOONE clicks on your lantern, ever. You can do the coolest plays in history, people will still rather die then click your lantern. I have seen people get ganked, me throwing a lantern right in their retreat path which would have saved their live, and them just ignoring the lantern, running through it and dying far more often then i have seen anyone click on that lantern. And good luck finding a jungler who will ever come gank botlane with lantern assistance. They don't. You tell them "Come bot, come through lane, i'll give you lantern, free easy kills". And then they don't come, ever. If you play Thresh, your lantern is basically a shield. The movement part of it is neglectable because NOONE EVER CLICKS ON IT. I always start every Thresh game with "Please remember to click the lantern." Even without the lantern saves Thresh is still pretty strong.
Yup, I don't see why people don't just type "Please remember to click the lantern, it makes you pick it up and teleport to thresh" or something similiar, especially if they complain about people not doing it -.-
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On April 10 2013 11:28 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:25 Requizen wrote:
I honestly think the 60% sprint on rank 1 of Karma E will make her nearly ungankable. She's already really hard to catch and harass out with only 1 or 2 points in it, this is going to be hilarious. Speedup is the worst escape in the game, and it's only 1.5 seconds. You can think of it as a ~60 unit leap over 1.5 seconds that cannot go over walls, I guess. I don't see how that escape's considered any good among escapes in general to be honest.
I don't think you know how MS works if you think that's like a 60 unit leap. l0l
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That thresh lantern is a fucking 220hp AOE shield (more like 250 because of all the free AP you get). It doesn't even need the pull function to be one of the better support spells (and sometimes people even click it :>)
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yeah, thresh is already really strong even without the lantern pulling. I don't see any skill level where thresh isn't at the very least borderline OP up until the point where ppl flat out can't land hooks, even by luck.
Also, I actually tend to notice that ppl tend to lantern to you at completely unnecessary times as opposed to not lanterning at all. i.e., you lantern up to auto harass, move back, and then ur adc walks up to the lantern just to jump back to you.
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On April 10 2013 11:54 barbsq wrote:
Also, I actually tend to notice that ppl tend to lantern to you at completely unnecessary times as opposed to not lanterning at all. i.e., you lantern up to auto harass, move back, and then ur adc walks up to the lantern just to jump back to you.
It's fun to do!
Thresh's E counters so many gap closers mid-air it's sick and I thought it was his least powerful spell zz. LeeSin wanna Q to you? No thanks you stay out.
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On April 10 2013 11:49 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:28 Shikyo wrote:On April 10 2013 11:25 Requizen wrote:
I honestly think the 60% sprint on rank 1 of Karma E will make her nearly ungankable. She's already really hard to catch and harass out with only 1 or 2 points in it, this is going to be hilarious. Speedup is the worst escape in the game, and it's only 1.5 seconds. You can think of it as a ~60 unit leap over 1.5 seconds that cannot go over walls, I guess. I don't see how that escape's considered any good among escapes in general to be honest. I don't think you know how MS works if you think that's like a 60 unit leap. l0l
It would have been better of you to assume it was a typo and that I meant 600 but yeah, now comment assuming it's 600 please
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I know people were talking about Fizz ignite/barrier all-in at level 2. I encountered it and happened to go AP Janna mid... seemed to deal with it pretty well. You can clear from a mile away (and instantly clear the wave), and the knockup/slow/displacement you get really punishes him if he all ins. I died at level 4 or so, even after surviving the all-in at level 2, and later on he couldn't touch me. :>
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Ya well AP Janna beats EVERYTHING.
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Know what I hate? How in low elo it's all about counters. I'm first/second pick and want to go mid. I'm either going to have to: a) trade someone (which many people in solo q dont do) b) just let someone else mid c) try to pick a safe mid and hope to god the other team doesn't counter. I just want to play my ahri mid, damn it!
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On April 10 2013 11:57 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:54 barbsq wrote:
Also, I actually tend to notice that ppl tend to lantern to you at completely unnecessary times as opposed to not lanterning at all. i.e., you lantern up to auto harass, move back, and then ur adc walks up to the lantern just to jump back to you. It's fun to do! Thresh's E counters so many gap closers mid-air it's sick and I thought it was his least powerful spell zz. LeeSin wanna Q to you? No thanks you stay out.
Can you really react to do that though? I don't have the reactions to cancel midway jumps consistently.
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On April 10 2013 12:17 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 11:57 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 10 2013 11:54 barbsq wrote:
Also, I actually tend to notice that ppl tend to lantern to you at completely unnecessary times as opposed to not lanterning at all. i.e., you lantern up to auto harass, move back, and then ur adc walks up to the lantern just to jump back to you. It's fun to do! Thresh's E counters so many gap closers mid-air it's sick and I thought it was his least powerful spell zz. LeeSin wanna Q to you? No thanks you stay out. Can you really react to do that though? I don't have the reactions to cancel midway jumps consistently.
It's not as bad if you set yourself up to do it. Perpendicular is near impossible, but if you do it directly "towards" the enemy champ its just a matter of knowing the animation time of Thresh's E.
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On April 10 2013 12:17 IMoperator wrote:
Know what I hate? How in low elo it's all about counters. I'm first/second pick and want to go mid. I'm either going to have to: a) trade someone (which many people in solo q dont do) b) just let someone else mid c) try to pick a safe mid and hope to god the other team doesn't counter. I just want to play my ahri mid, damn it!
wut
At low ELO, counters don't matter because people are good enough to intelligently play a matchup to the point where they're abusing a lane advantage. Also, a lot of people have really skewed perceptions of what champions counter which, so people tend to "counterpick" champions when they're really just choosing even/fair matchups.
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Hmm, Lux's Final Spark nerf is going to suck.
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On April 10 2013 12:24 NationInArms wrote:
Hmm, Lux's Final Spark nerf is going to suck.
Oh dear, now she'll only be able to blast an entire team + a minion wave for metric fucktons of damage every 30s instead of every 24.
Boo friggity hoo.
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On April 10 2013 12:23 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 12:17 IMoperator wrote:
Know what I hate? How in low elo it's all about counters. I'm first/second pick and want to go mid. I'm either going to have to: a) trade someone (which many people in solo q dont do) b) just let someone else mid c) try to pick a safe mid and hope to god the other team doesn't counter. I just want to play my ahri mid, damn it! wut At low ELO, counters don't matter because people are good enough to intelligently play a matchup to the point where they're abusing a lane advantage. Also, a lot of people have really skewed perceptions of what champions counter which, so people tend to "counterpick" champions when they're really just choosing even/fair matchups.
Well, you also get the opposite cases where someone gets a bad matchup and doesn't know how to mitigate the disadvantage and gets completely rolled.
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On April 10 2013 12:23 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 12:17 IMoperator wrote:
Know what I hate? How in low elo it's all about counters. I'm first/second pick and want to go mid. I'm either going to have to: a) trade someone (which many people in solo q dont do) b) just let someone else mid c) try to pick a safe mid and hope to god the other team doesn't counter. I just want to play my ahri mid, damn it! wut At low ELO, counters don't matter because people are good enough to intelligently play a matchup to the point where they're abusing a lane advantage. Also, a lot of people have really skewed perceptions of what champions counter which, so people tend to "counterpick" champions when they're really just choosing even/fair matchups.
I get more annoyed with people bitching that I can't first pick Mid because I'm gonna get countered. How about you let me deal with that please. People treat counter picks like the Bible.
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I am incredibly glad for the Seraph's/Muramana changes, because I love Ryze, and unfortunately those two items (particularly muramana) were gonna get Ryze Olaf'ed (once Zed and Khazix were). Honestly, I initially thought Riot created those items as an excuse to nerf mah boy.
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