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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 10 2013 00:02 GMT
#21
On April 10 2013 08:57 overt wrote:
Changing Muramana to deal physical makes it a lot more appealing on the people who would buy it the most. Although I dunno if you'd buy it on Ryze anymore now.

Yeah, indirect buff to Kha and Jayce, as if they need it.
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 10 2013 00:05 GMT
#22
i like thresh, his kit is so creative. i don't even play him but it's fun to play against him, even.

it's kinda funny how riot was like "wahhhhh we don't want to make support champions" and they release nami specifically as support and she's underwhelming, then bam here comes thresh with and he's super strong..
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 00:08:40
April 10 2013 00:08 GMT
#23
On April 10 2013 09:05 kainzero wrote:
i like thresh, his kit is so creative. i don't even play him but it's fun to play against him, even.

it's kinda funny how riot was like "wahhhhh we don't want to make support champions" and they release nami specifically as support and she's underwhelming, then bam here comes thresh with and he's super strong..

Riot never said that, they said they'd make 2 support champs a year, which is pretty much what we got (not counting zyra, because she wasn't billed as a support)
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 10 2013 00:08 GMT
#24
On April 10 2013 09:05 kainzero wrote:
i like thresh, his kit is so creative. i don't even play him but it's fun to play against him, even.

it's kinda funny how riot was like "wahhhhh we don't want to make support champions" and they release nami specifically as support and she's underwhelming, then bam here comes thresh with and he's super strong..


Didn't they design him as a support, though?
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
April 10 2013 00:10 GMT
#25
damn it, i should have bashed dota and SC2 some more in the old discusion thread.


i guess its good that they are slowing down with the balance again, but they still only buff/nerf with the foresight and memory of a goldfish.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 00:20:50
April 10 2013 00:20 GMT
#26
Knew it wasn't gonna last..

Anyways, yay random Kayle nerf and Nunu buff.

Some of these changes make little sense to me, but occasionally Riot surprises.
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Soloside
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 00:21:33
April 10 2013 00:21 GMT
#27
On April 10 2013 08:57 overt wrote:
Changing Muramana to deal physical makes it a lot more appealing on the people who would buy it the most. Although I dunno if you'd buy it on Ryze anymore now.


Just a quick question, does sivir's W proc it on each target? If so, does it chunk 3% mana PER target? or just per cast? Might be pretty good on her.

Oh, also would it work with corki's rockets as well?

On April 10 2013 09:20 57 Corvette wrote:
Knew it wasn't gonna last..

Anyways, yay random Kayle nerf and Nunu buff.

Some of these changes make little sense to me, but occasionally Riot surprises.


Doesn't even phase me. Never cast kayle ulti on anyone else but me. huehue ^_^
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 10 2013 00:23 GMT
#28
I posted this in our thread, but thanks so much TL!
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 10 2013 00:23 GMT
#29
On April 10 2013 09:08 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 09:05 kainzero wrote:
i like thresh, his kit is so creative. i don't even play him but it's fun to play against him, even.

it's kinda funny how riot was like "wahhhhh we don't want to make support champions" and they release nami specifically as support and she's underwhelming, then bam here comes thresh with and he's super strong..


Didn't they design him as a support, though?

i always thought they just designed him with a cool kit and it turned out that he's good at support

hooks are hooks
lantern is really unique
flay is a standard displace (like say, draven)
passive is a steroid
semi-tanky stats

in the meantime, nami's kit just screams support. and nothing else.

passive helps other people move faster
aqua prison aoe is shitty and can't clear waves, only designed to hit other heroes
ebb and flow is a funky bounce heal with terrible AP scaling and you can't use the bounce mechanic in a solo lane (or jungle)
blessing also has terrible AP scaling and seems more designed to help others as opposed to yourself


it just seems funny to compare the 2 supports that are released based on kit
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
April 10 2013 00:25 GMT
#30
I just wish they would take a fine approach to adjustment, not BAM nerf you, and you and you, oh and you can have double damage on this ability since we don't see you competitively. Just little touch ups to bring champions in line, often they are FotM anyway and not actually as powerful as they seem (things like Zed atm).
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 00:33:36
April 10 2013 00:32 GMT
#31
On April 10 2013 09:21 Soloside wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 08:57 overt wrote:
Changing Muramana to deal physical makes it a lot more appealing on the people who would buy it the most. Although I dunno if you'd buy it on Ryze anymore now.


Just a quick question, does sivir's W proc it on each target? If so, does it chunk 3% mana PER target? or just per cast? Might be pretty good on her.

Oh, also would it work with corki's rockets as well?

Sivir's W only applies on hit effects on the initial target so I'd imagine Muramana doesn't proc per target. Only on the first target. Corki's rockets have never applied on hit effects and are aoe. So Muramana shouldn't proc on it.

Pretty sure Thresh was designed as a support.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
April 10 2013 00:33 GMT
#32
Won't miss Akali. Glad to see them balancing the spirit stone items...
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Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
April 10 2013 00:39 GMT
#33
Akali was at 50% win rate in solo queue and irrelevant to competitive play better nerf her.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 00:43:17
April 10 2013 00:40 GMT
#34
On April 10 2013 09:23 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 09:08 Praetorial wrote:
On April 10 2013 09:05 kainzero wrote:
i like thresh, his kit is so creative. i don't even play him but it's fun to play against him, even.

it's kinda funny how riot was like "wahhhhh we don't want to make support champions" and they release nami specifically as support and she's underwhelming, then bam here comes thresh with and he's super strong..


Didn't they design him as a support, though?

i always thought they just designed him with a cool kit and it turned out that he's good at support

hooks are hooks
lantern is really unique
flay is a standard displace (like say, draven)
passive is a steroid
semi-tanky stats

in the meantime, nami's kit just screams support. and nothing else.

passive helps other people move faster
aqua prison aoe is shitty and can't clear waves, only designed to hit other heroes
ebb and flow is a funky bounce heal with terrible AP scaling and you can't use the bounce mechanic in a solo lane (or jungle)
blessing also has terrible AP scaling and seems more designed to help others as opposed to yourself

I like thresh a lot because his skillcap seems super high. Like OGN Thresh or Edward thresh is like a completely different champion in a way that I have not seen in even top tier mid lane play
it just seems funny to compare the 2 supports that are released based on kit

Blessing ap ratio is good. Keep in mind it's per hit. Her solo laning is pretty bad but so is thresh from what I've seen
Carrilord has arrived.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 10 2013 00:50 GMT
#35
On April 10 2013 09:39 Drium wrote:
Akali was at 50% win rate in solo queue and irrelevant to competitive play better nerf her.


Olaf was 49-48, and he got nerfed to karma level. He was already mediocre in soloq, and went from mediocre to basically worthless.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
April 10 2013 00:54 GMT
#36
Does this mean we can't talk about how SC2 is an inferior eSport any more?
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 10 2013 01:04 GMT
#37
Lets not twist the facts pre nerf olaf was retarded. They just nerfed every single peice of his kit as opposed to touching it up. Som
Carrilord has arrived.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 10 2013 01:05 GMT
#38
On April 10 2013 09:50 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 09:39 Drium wrote:
Akali was at 50% win rate in solo queue and irrelevant to competitive play better nerf her.


Olaf was 49-48, and he got nerfed to karma level. He was already mediocre in soloq, and went from mediocre to basically worthless.

That was a straight up pro level nerf, he was First pick/ban status in most games. He got over-nerfed but I can't say I wasn't sick of seeing him being played.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 10 2013 01:16 GMT
#39
On April 10 2013 10:04 Slusher wrote:
Lets not twist the facts pre nerf olaf was retarded. They just nerfed every single peice of his kit as opposed to touching it up. Som

Everybody was stacking health at the time, Warmogs first item before boots every game. They nerfed Olaf the same pathc they nerfed Warmogs. Then they nerfed Warmogs some more. And they forgot about Olaf.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 10 2013 01:20 GMT
#40
lol; these akali nerfs. 35 fucking seconds on her ulti charge, and she doesn't even get a charge when she instantly turns 6.
There goes Akali's laning phase; not like she had much of one anyways.
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