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On April 27 2013 23:58 jliu wrote:
Hi all, I love TL and recently have switched over to playing league from sc2, and I just started playing ranked in silver 5. I've mostly play jungle in soloq, and had a question about jungling at my level in soloq.
From what I understand, there are two main types of jungle playstyles; gank-dependent and farm-dependent. I either play a champ with the ability to snowball and attempt to secure early game kills and assists, or sit back, farm, and help defend towers. I often hear that a jungler is meant to help lanes get fed, and not necessarily carry themselves. I understand this at high elos and in competitive play. In silver, however, most people don't know how to control their lanes or how to capitalize on successful no-kill ganks (e.g. burning summoners, etc...). I also am not knowledgeable enough about the game to pull of successful tower dives when players constantly push towers. That being said, I'm often confused about how to play in solo q when there is little cooperation from lanes.
I love to be a playmaker and to be ganking often, so my favorite and main junglers are high-skillcap champs like Zed and Lee Sin, but they tend to be dependent on early game kills. Does anyone have suggestions of how to play those junglers in soloQ when your lanes play as if there is no jungler? All other things aside, should I sit back and farm, or keep trying to create opportunities in lane? Are there any other fun middle of the road junglers that will let me be an aggressive jungler that scale well off farm into mid-game? I play Jarvan and Nasus occassionally, and I think they fall into that category, but honesty I find them pretty boring in terms of mechanical difficulty. Thanks for any help xD
There's actually 3 types of junglers; in addition to gank/farm oriented champions, there are also counterjunglers whose entire purpose is to set back/kill the enemy jungler and destroy his pressure. This style of jungle play isn't as strong as it use to be from its heyday in S1 (where you could liberally screw over the enemy jungler with Nunu from level 1 onwards and keep him down the entire game, while scaling insanely better then them because you're a support-jungler who need no gold), but it's still a viable form of play, especially against weak/fragile early-game junglers like Nautilus. Playing Lee Sin vs Naut for instance, you can spend your early game killing/pressuring him off his camps and keeping him from doing anything.
These days, counterjungling is most prominently about stealing the major buffs (blue/red) given the relatively quick respawn timer of the smaller camps, but you can still go about taking the enemy camps if you have proper warding and lane pressure (and feel like you can donate all your camps to your laners). In silver soloQ, enemy lanes don't react very quickly to jungle invades.
In general, if you don't have strong lane cooperation for ganks, showing pressure is more then enough (if the enemy lanes are afraid of being ganked, you're still setting them back), or else crippling the enemy jungler, which many early game junglers can do. You can farm if you're a carry jungler (Noc, Xin, Nasus), but I would recommend learning how to counterjungle.
As for possible junglers that sorta fall into both: Vi, Hecarim, Trundle (highly situational given CDR+his pillar is his main selling point now [since they removed shred on Baron and Dragon], which makes him great for poke comps), Fiddlesticks, Diana (yes she can), Skarner, Shyvanna, and Dr. Mundo (though early Mundo clear is rather risky).
Oh, and Udyr.
You might even try out Taric in the jungle. He's actually hilariously good at it once you get through the initial clear and pick up some mana items.
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On April 27 2013 22:58 LoCicero wrote:If I say Neo three times will it summon him? Neo, Neo, Neo! (Check your PMs) Is anyone playing Pantheon at all? I don't think I've seen him in like any streamed games in a long time... Seems people just play Kha instead (sadface). Aww, my LP dropped so much these past 2 months 
I play Panth pretty religiously.
Despite what other people here say, i think his laning is still pretty damn awesome. Mostly Junglers you need worry about, but a couple lanes are pretty awful.
Elise for example can just kill you in an all in once she hits about 7/8 no matter how far behind you are, which... ugh. Yorick a pain as always, and then other than that only really Malphite scary, imo. A good singed is an asshole too, but eh. I'd add Kennen to that list but no one play him anymore.
I personally like mid lane way better than top now a days, lots of psuedo mid laners these days that panth dumps on. GP, Kha, J4, etc. That and once you get big it much much much easier to roam.
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Most importantly, realize that you are in Silver 5. That means people suck. They won't ward properly, and won't notice obvious ganks. Try to exploit this. This does not mean don't farm. However, always notice when one of their laners comes back to lane and does not have wards. Whenever that lane pushes, gank his ass. Even if they have wards, sometimes just ignoring them is fine because they often just don't look at them. Don't stand at any place for long. If you go somewhere, gank it. If you don't want to gank it, don't go there. Don't run across half the map without taking the farm on the way. Don't gank just to gank. Gank if you see an opening. Play a jungler that can both farm and gank reasonably well, not a lee sin. This way, you can gank if you see that the enemy team is gankable, and farm if they are not. If you have coordination, ward their buffs and invade them. If you don't, don't.
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Wtf so like i was on a huge winning streak but as i approached the promo to get to plat it started capping my wins from +30~ to 12 9 6 4 3 3 then i lose one game to get -21 then i win one today and it gives me +24 to qualify for promo
This forced cap as you approach the next league is so dumb, especially when the system thinks you should be higher than your league anyway
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I cringe so hard every time I open a stream and all I can hear is CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK of the mouse.
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On April 28 2013 03:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Wtf so like i was on a huge winning streak but as i approached the promo to get to plat it started capping my wins from +30~ to 12 9 6 4 3 3 then i lose one game to get -21 then i win one today and it gives me +24 to qualify for promo
This forced cap as you approach the next league is so dumb, especially when the system thinks you should be higher than your league anyway
You must be stuck in elo hell. hue
QQ in the appropriate thread, 5HIT.
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On April 28 2013 03:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Wtf so like i was on a huge winning streak but as i approached the promo to get to plat it started capping my wins from +30~ to 12 9 6 4 3 3 then i lose one game to get -21 then i win one today and it gives me +24 to qualify for promo
This forced cap as you approach the next league is so dumb, especially when the system thinks you should be higher than your league anyway
just keep doing it and by your 3rd or so promo series it will just put you in a promo after every win or so if you lose the series
at least it did for me going to plat
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On April 28 2013 03:52 Simberto wrote:
Most importantly, realize that you are in Silver 5. That means people suck. They won't ward properly, and won't notice obvious ganks. Try to exploit this. This does not mean don't farm. However, always notice when one of their laners comes back to lane and does not have wards. Whenever that lane pushes, gank his ass. Even if they have wards, sometimes just ignoring them is fine because they often just don't look at them. Don't stand at any place for long. If you go somewhere, gank it. If you don't want to gank it, don't go there. Don't run across half the map without taking the farm on the way. Don't gank just to gank. Gank if you see an opening. Play a jungler that can both farm and gank reasonably well, not a lee sin. This way, you can gank if you see that the enemy team is gankable, and farm if they are not. If you have coordination, ward their buffs and invade them. If you don't, don't.
i highly recommend duo-q as well. a duo-q will reliably communicate to you if his opponent has no wards and time them, and then as simberto said when the enemy lane pushes you gank. like, a good jungler can and should do all that stuff, but hey, if his laner can communicate that kind of info it makes everyone's life easier.
enter midgame with a fed mid or top and a fed jungler, should be able to close out games as long as you didn't play panth or someone else whose falls off hard. 'm really liking khazix/riven and maokai/j4 as combinations of top + jungler.
you can be even be that jerk who doesnt gank for anyone except his duoq partner and gets accusations of gay sex and stuff. doesnt matter as long as you /ignore and win.
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On April 28 2013 02:41 StateAlchemist wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 00:26 Slayer91 wrote:On April 27 2013 23:58 jliu wrote:
Hi all, I love TL and recently have switched over to playing league from sc2, and I just started playing ranked in silver 5. I've mostly play jungle in soloq, and had a question about jungling at my level in soloq.
From what I understand, there are two main types of jungle playstyles; gank-dependent and farm-dependent. I either play a champ with the ability to snowball and attempt to secure early game kills and assists, or sit back, farm, and help defend towers. I often hear that a jungler is meant to help lanes get fed, and not necessarily carry themselves. I understand this at high elos and in competitive play. In silver, however, most people don't know how to control their lanes or how to capitalize on successful no-kill ganks (e.g. burning summoners, etc...). I also am not knowledgeable enough about the game to pull of successful tower dives when players constantly push towers. That being said, I'm often confused about how to play in solo q when there is little cooperation from lanes.
I love to be a playmaker and to be ganking often, so my favorite and main junglers are high-skillcap champs like Zed and Lee Sin, but they tend to be dependent on early game kills. Does anyone have suggestions of how to play those junglers in soloQ when your lanes play as if there is no jungler? All other things aside, should I sit back and farm, or keep trying to create opportunities in lane? Are there any other fun middle of the road junglers that will let me be an aggressive jungler that scale well off farm into mid-game? I play Jarvan and Nasus occassionally, and I think they fall into that category, but honesty I find them pretty boring in terms of mechanical difficulty. Thanks for any help xD -If you can gank and theres a high chance of a kill do it -If you can gank and cause a meaningful lead to your lane (the other guy is out of pots or something, little risk for the opposing jungler to gank), do it. -If your lane is ahead meaning you can gank and dive OR countergank do it anytime else farm is the safe option but sometimes helping lanes even when you can't do that much might be necessary, but that' a higher judgement and its best to stick to the obvious answers. The main thing you need is information and that is from playing out mentally how the gank will play out and if you can kill him and watching the lanes (notice things like lane pushing, and aggression which can lead to an easy bait from your ally(ies)) Not sure if starting jungle with a pick like Zed is the best idea. Sure he scales well and got sick damage but his lack of CC is kind of a problem, ye sure you kill people with death mark but a good stun/snare/knock up is more reliable (especially in teamfights) I would rather go jarvan, vi or even xin if i had to go for some aggressive jungler/playmaker like you call them, they have good damage and bring good cc to the table. Lee sin is fine though :p Plan B is to duo with an anivia player and pick trundle in the jungle, dem plays man.
it doesnt matter what champion you play, as long as you want to play him and are willing to learn
people put way too much stake in picks at any level and even at the highest it doesn't matter as much as people think . Teams can work around someone excelling at their favourite champs (insec jungling zed on KT rolster)
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whats better for a single dmg item on j4 trinity or botrk ?
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^ Too true, i always ask people play their best champs as opposed to FOTM or counters (unless its an extreme counter)
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On April 28 2013 04:23 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 02:41 StateAlchemist wrote:On April 28 2013 00:26 Slayer91 wrote:On April 27 2013 23:58 jliu wrote:
Hi all, I love TL and recently have switched over to playing league from sc2, and I just started playing ranked in silver 5. I've mostly play jungle in soloq, and had a question about jungling at my level in soloq.
From what I understand, there are two main types of jungle playstyles; gank-dependent and farm-dependent. I either play a champ with the ability to snowball and attempt to secure early game kills and assists, or sit back, farm, and help defend towers. I often hear that a jungler is meant to help lanes get fed, and not necessarily carry themselves. I understand this at high elos and in competitive play. In silver, however, most people don't know how to control their lanes or how to capitalize on successful no-kill ganks (e.g. burning summoners, etc...). I also am not knowledgeable enough about the game to pull of successful tower dives when players constantly push towers. That being said, I'm often confused about how to play in solo q when there is little cooperation from lanes.
I love to be a playmaker and to be ganking often, so my favorite and main junglers are high-skillcap champs like Zed and Lee Sin, but they tend to be dependent on early game kills. Does anyone have suggestions of how to play those junglers in soloQ when your lanes play as if there is no jungler? All other things aside, should I sit back and farm, or keep trying to create opportunities in lane? Are there any other fun middle of the road junglers that will let me be an aggressive jungler that scale well off farm into mid-game? I play Jarvan and Nasus occassionally, and I think they fall into that category, but honesty I find them pretty boring in terms of mechanical difficulty. Thanks for any help xD -If you can gank and theres a high chance of a kill do it -If you can gank and cause a meaningful lead to your lane (the other guy is out of pots or something, little risk for the opposing jungler to gank), do it. -If your lane is ahead meaning you can gank and dive OR countergank do it anytime else farm is the safe option but sometimes helping lanes even when you can't do that much might be necessary, but that' a higher judgement and its best to stick to the obvious answers. The main thing you need is information and that is from playing out mentally how the gank will play out and if you can kill him and watching the lanes (notice things like lane pushing, and aggression which can lead to an easy bait from your ally(ies)) Not sure if starting jungle with a pick like Zed is the best idea. Sure he scales well and got sick damage but his lack of CC is kind of a problem, ye sure you kill people with death mark but a good stun/snare/knock up is more reliable (especially in teamfights) I would rather go jarvan, vi or even xin if i had to go for some aggressive jungler/playmaker like you call them, they have good damage and bring good cc to the table. Lee sin is fine though :p Plan B is to duo with an anivia player and pick trundle in the jungle, dem plays man. it doesnt matter what champion you play, as long as you want to play him and are willing to learn people put way too much stake in picks at any level and even at the highest it doesn't matter as much as people think . Teams can work around someone excelling at their favourite champs (insec jungling zed on KT rolster)
I was just giving a personnal opinion, i just think that having cc is better to take advantage of the ennemies mistakes (which happens a lot in solo queue). You'll have an easier time to adapt when you're in premades, like KT did with Insec's choice of carry junglers, but coordination and communication in solo queue kinda sucks
And of course picks doesnt really matter, especially in the lower elos, but you'll have a better learning curve if you start jungling/playing on more generic champions rather than niche picks i think 
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On April 28 2013 04:49 kongoline wrote:
whats better for a single dmg item on j4 trinity or botrk ?
trinity isnt a single target damage item
it provides mobility burst damage and a slow for chasing power as well as some hp and mana (sometimes useful)
botrk is way better for single target damage but I'd say trinity is a better item for a fed jarvan in general (if theres lots of skirmishes and chases its significantly better but in all in dives in teamfights its probably about the same because the active is so good over a short time)
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On April 28 2013 04:55 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 04:49 kongoline wrote:
whats better for a single dmg item on j4 trinity or botrk ? trinity isnt a single target damage item it provides mobility burst damage and a slow for chasing power as well as some hp and mana (sometimes useful) botrk is way better for single target damage but I'd say trinity is a better item for a fed jarvan in general (if theres lots of skirmishes and chases its significantly better but in all in dives in teamfights its probably about the same because the active is so good over a short time)
i mean one damage item rest tank not single target
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I always like Black Cleaver on J4 if you get fed. Seems to sync very well with his Q, BC + Q = 31% armor reduction on possibly their entire team, can scale up to 51%. The health, CDR, and armor pen are all very nice on him to.
I build wierd shit though.
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On April 28 2013 01:32 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 19:18 Mondieu wrote:On April 27 2013 18:02 kongoline wrote:
kennen is like teemo 2.0, hope he wont become popular again (which is unlikely considering hes perma ban in korea right now) How is he teemo 2.0 ? He has good team fight power, but without his ultimate he's a bit of a joke unfortunately. And he has no team fighting without his ultimate either. With Vanguard being as powerfful as it is it is also unlikey that we'll see double AP making a comeback, and that's where Kennen was actually very good at. DotA spy sptted!
I'm honestly confused -- what was meant by Vanguard? The only Vanguard in LoL is Skarner, the Crystal Vanguard, and I don't recall people saying he's strong, plus doesn't he go well with double AP? I also thought it might be a mistake for Armguard but that also helps APs...
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 28 2013 04:02 Craton wrote:
I cringe so hard every time I open a stream and all I can hear is CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK of the mouse.
try dealing with that shit irl, my fat idiot roommate decided to park his computer 5 feet outside my bedroom door and hammer on his keyboard like a mentally handicapped person til 5am every night
oh, you got a spell on Q with an 8 second cooldown? Doin wolves?? Better hammer that fucking button for your life, as hard as you can! never seen someone so oblivious to the word around him. thank god i'm movin' out.
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On April 28 2013 05:12 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 04:02 Craton wrote:
I cringe so hard every time I open a stream and all I can hear is CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK of the mouse. try dealing with that shit irl, my fat idiot roommate decided to park his computer 5 feet outside my bedroom door and hammer on his keyboard like a mentally handicapped person til 5am every night oh, you got a spell on Q with an 8 second cooldown? Doin wolves?? Better hammer that fucking button for your life, as hard as you can! never seen someone so oblivious to the word around him. thank god i'm movin' out.
Better than waking up to your roommate's morning wood 5 feet from your face. Every. Fucking. Day.
And coming home from class "Can you give me 5 mins."
And at night being woken up by him kicking the door open and then turning on all the lights, the t.v., and then leaving to go shower....... -_- "oh you had a 9 am class? Here, let me wake you up at 5 am everyday" zzzz
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This thread is so random, WTH?
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Why do you guys put up with roommates that do that? Guess I'm in unique situation where my cousin is my flatmate and we always been close so easy to sort issues out.
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