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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
April 25 2013 02:13 GMT
#3441
On April 25 2013 11:04 overt wrote:
So either TSM realized, "oh shit everyone will hate us," or someone jumped the gun on the lack of a team house because TSM's manager just tweeted,

Show nested quote +
You're as good with facts as you are at smiting Baron. Bootcamp is on, no excuses for NA let's win this

source

probably both. I have a feeling Saint enjoys the the drama he causes, but it also forced TSM's hand. All this could have been done behind the scene though for the sake of professionalism.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
April 25 2013 02:14 GMT
#3442
On April 25 2013 11:13 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:11 aRyuujin wrote:
so i'm lookint to pick up a new hipster mid/top, any suggestions? looking at syndra/ kha'zix / zed/ fizz/ ahri/cass/kat/lux?


I don't think that word means what you think it means.

If you want some real hipster shit play Galio or Swain. They can go mid and top and no one plays them. And they're both strong imo.


haha i haven't played this game since months, but i heard they weren't popular naymore?
can i get my estro logo back pls
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 02:16:48
April 25 2013 02:15 GMT
#3443
On April 25 2013 11:12 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 09:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Godammit TSM...

I'm sure they will practice online, but IT'S NOT THE SAME!

There is a chance to qualify directly the round of eight if you do not finish last, as well as the possibility of gaining an additional spot. I really don't understand why Reginald would not allow even a week or two of bootcamping, since North America is really the only region with a realistic opportunity of a thourough boot camping experience, and that would allow them to have an advantage over the other regions. Realistically speaking, it's not that likely that the North American team would defeat.........................



you should really read till the end of the thread where it comes out that the NA Curse bootcamp is still happening before you bother writing walls of text lol
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 25 2013 02:16 GMT
#3444
On April 25 2013 11:15 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:12 Letmelose wrote:
On April 25 2013 09:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Godammit TSM...

I'm sure they will practice online, but IT'S NOT THE SAME!


Ignore all the stuff below. Boot camping is on again. North America will perform better than most expect to if they make good use of this.

There is a chance to qualify directly the round of eight if you do not finish last, as well as the possibility of gaining an additional spot. I really don't understand why Reginald would not allow even a week or two of bootcamping, since North America is really the only region with a realistic opportunity of a thourough boot camping experience, and that would allow them to have an advantage over the other regions. Realistically speaking, it's not that likely that the North American team would defeat.........................



you should really read till the end of the thread where it comes out that the NA Curse bootcamp is still happening before you bother writing walls of text lol

F5 op

Fwiw it was well formulated with good points...sadly they are moot now haha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
April 25 2013 02:17 GMT
#3445
On April 25 2013 11:15 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:12 Letmelose wrote:
On April 25 2013 09:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Godammit TSM...

I'm sure they will practice online, but IT'S NOT THE SAME!

There is a chance to qualify directly the round of eight if you do not finish last, as well as the possibility of gaining an additional spot. I really don't understand why Reginald would not allow even a week or two of bootcamping, since North America is really the only region with a realistic opportunity of a thourough boot camping experience, and that would allow them to have an advantage over the other regions. Realistically speaking, it's not that likely that the North American team would defeat.........................



you should really read till the end of the thread where it comes out that the NA Curse bootcamp is still happening before you bother writing walls of text lol


FML.
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 25 2013 02:18 GMT
#3446
On April 25 2013 11:17 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:15 sob3k wrote:
On April 25 2013 11:12 Letmelose wrote:
On April 25 2013 09:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Godammit TSM...

I'm sure they will practice online, but IT'S NOT THE SAME!

There is a chance to qualify directly the round of eight if you do not finish last, as well as the possibility of gaining an additional spot. I really don't understand why Reginald would not allow even a week or two of bootcamping, since North America is really the only region with a realistic opportunity of a thourough boot camping experience, and that would allow them to have an advantage over the other regions. Realistically speaking, it's not that likely that the North American team would defeat.........................



you should really read till the end of the thread where it comes out that the NA Curse bootcamp is still happening before you bother writing walls of text lol


FML.


post wall of text

next post is 3 letters.
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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
April 25 2013 02:19 GMT
#3447
On April 25 2013 11:17 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:15 sob3k wrote:
On April 25 2013 11:12 Letmelose wrote:
On April 25 2013 09:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Godammit TSM...

I'm sure they will practice online, but IT'S NOT THE SAME!

There is a chance to qualify directly the round of eight if you do not finish last, as well as the possibility of gaining an additional spot. I really don't understand why Reginald would not allow even a week or two of bootcamping, since North America is really the only region with a realistic opportunity of a thourough boot camping experience, and that would allow them to have an advantage over the other regions. Realistically speaking, it's not that likely that the North American team would defeat.........................



you should really read till the end of the thread where it comes out that the NA Curse bootcamp is still happening before you bother writing walls of text lol


FML.

Don't be down. You wrote some good stuff.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
April 25 2013 02:22 GMT
#3448
On April 25 2013 11:17 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:15 sob3k wrote:
On April 25 2013 11:12 Letmelose wrote:
On April 25 2013 09:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Godammit TSM...

I'm sure they will practice online, but IT'S NOT THE SAME!

There is a chance to qualify directly the round of eight if you do not finish last, as well as the possibility of gaining an additional spot. I really don't understand why Reginald would not allow even a week or two of bootcamping, since North America is really the only region with a realistic opportunity of a thourough boot camping experience, and that would allow them to have an advantage over the other regions. Realistically speaking, it's not that likely that the North American team would defeat.........................



you should really read till the end of the thread where it comes out that the NA Curse bootcamp is still happening before you bother writing walls of text lol


FML.


LOL
can i get my estro logo back pls
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 25 2013 02:22 GMT
#3449
On April 25 2013 11:14 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:13 overt wrote:
On April 25 2013 11:11 aRyuujin wrote:
so i'm lookint to pick up a new hipster mid/top, any suggestions? looking at syndra/ kha'zix / zed/ fizz/ ahri/cass/kat/lux?


I don't think that word means what you think it means.

If you want some real hipster shit play Galio or Swain. They can go mid and top and no one plays them. And they're both strong imo.


haha i haven't played this game since months, but i heard they weren't popular naymore?


I still see a lot of Kat but according to lolking Ahri is actually more popular than her. Katarina, Lux, Kha'zix, and Zed are common picks in solo queue and competitive play though. A lot of people in the community think that Zed and maybe Kha'zix are OP. Lux just got nerfed because she was deemed too strong. Not many people play Syndra, Fizz, and Cassiopeia right now.

Galio and Swain were my suggestions because both of them can mid lane and both of them can top lane. They are uncommon picks for various reasons but Galio brings solid damage and one of the best ults in the game to his team (also if you can get chalice and a few levels you can just shove lane and then go roam) whereas Swain deals massive single target damage and can act as his team's second tank (which is very rare of a mid laner). They both obviously have weaknesses and they probably aren't as powerful or as easy to fit into various team comps as the current popular mid/top laners like Zed or Kha but both Galio and Swain are still really strong if you know how to play them.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 02:29:44
April 25 2013 02:26 GMT
#3450
Don't think a "boot camp" is going to overcome the massive gaps in knowledge/skill/experience that Korean/Chinese/SEA teams are going to have.

NA might luck out against EU but there's no way that any of the reasons mentioned above is going to have a noticeable impact on how well NA does against the Asian teams. I just don't think any of the players in the NA all star have any comparable skill (even Dlift) with any player from the other teams, and I think that at the end of the day, individual skill is going to make a bigger impact than teamplay.

Win lane win game imo
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
April 25 2013 02:29 GMT
#3451
On April 25 2013 11:13 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:11 aRyuujin wrote:
so i'm lookint to pick up a new hipster mid/top, any suggestions? looking at syndra/ kha'zix / zed/ fizz/ ahri/cass/kat/lux?


I don't think that word means what you think it means.

If you want some real hipster shit play Galio or Swain. They can go mid and top and no one plays them. And they're both strong imo.


Don't play Galio, he's a douche.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 25 2013 02:34 GMT
#3452
On April 25 2013 11:29 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 11:13 overt wrote:
On April 25 2013 11:11 aRyuujin wrote:
so i'm lookint to pick up a new hipster mid/top, any suggestions? looking at syndra/ kha'zix / zed/ fizz/ ahri/cass/kat/lux?


I don't think that word means what you think it means.

If you want some real hipster shit play Galio or Swain. They can go mid and top and no one plays them. And they're both strong imo.


Don't play Galio, he's a douche.


People forgot the terror of Galio after a few nerfs resulted in him going from fotm to absolutely no one playing him ever. Spamming, "You should come back with more bad guys," after every gank attempt. Building MR and getting free AP to make your opposing mid laner cry. Shoving waves harder than anyone ever thought possible. Then having entire teams kill themselves with your ult.

Yeah, he's a douche but he's my douche.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 02:39:41
April 25 2013 02:39 GMT
#3453
NA really should practice as to try and not place last. At least the other teams will be spending the least amount of time researching/practicing against NA so that's a little consolation I guess.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 25 2013 02:41 GMT
#3454
On April 25 2013 11:39 Juicyfruit wrote:
NA really should practice as to try and not place last. At least the other teams will be spending the least amount of time researching/practicing against NA so that's a little consolation I guess.


I actually want to see NA get stomped. I think there's been a lot of people, even pros, who kind of are on the fence about saying whether other regions are better or not. It kind of feels a bit off when they seem to imply like "Oh yeah, they might be better, but we can still win" or "Oh, well if we just do X" or blame it on some other third thing.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2013 02:43 GMT
#3455
Oh hai guys. Mafia forum gets drunk ave so I houhght you should too since I llove you all. I fixed my phone its bot dead!b. Debating whether or not to play lol or go die in ma bed
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 02:44:26
April 25 2013 02:44 GMT
#3456
On April 25 2013 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh hai guys. Mafia forum gets drunk ave so I houhght you should too since I llove you all. I fixed my phone its bot dead!b. Debating whether or not to play lol or go die in ma bed


Sounds like the perfect time for solo ranked. You got this.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
April 25 2013 02:45 GMT
#3457
On April 25 2013 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh hai guys. Mafia forum gets drunk ave so I houhght you should too since I llove you all. I fixed my phone its bot dead!b. Debating whether or not to play lol or go die in ma bed


Wat.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 02:51:28
April 25 2013 02:46 GMT
#3458
On April 25 2013 11:26 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Don't think a "boot camp" is going to overcome the massive gaps in knowledge/skill/experience that Korean/Chinese/SEA teams are going to have.

NA might luck out against EU but there's no way that any of the reasons mentioned above is going to have a noticeable impact on how well NA does against the Asian teams.


Well thourough preparation plays a big role in deciding results in my opinion. A well researched strategy, with smart mind games in the picks and bans goes a long way. Gambit Gaming's triumph in IEM Katowice was not due to them playing at their absolute peak form (they did very poorly in the group stages), but more to do with the research they had on the limitations of the AD carries of Frost/Blaze, Diamondprox reading CloudTemplar/Helios like a book (partly due to research, although this is pure speculation, CloudTemplar has very predictable jungle routes), and the itemization and team composition the Korean teams were not used to. Najin Sword later borrowed Gambit Gaming's strategy to completely demolish Frost in the finals.

Sure Gambit Gaming is an excellent team. But a large part of what decided the winner was the level of specific preparation for their opponents. The bootcamping is not just about grinding out the hours to become as emmaculate as Uzi in terms of mechanics, but doing research, discussing the best method of approaching their enemy, and sharing ideas. Imagine the minds of Curse Gaming, CLG, TMS, and Dignitas all united and preparing for a month in advance. I could easily see that team being just as scary as any other, if they prepared really well, perhaps apart from the Chinese. You cannot dismiss the power of the homefield advantage. Surely gaining a seeding into the round of eight is worth fighting for, even if gaining an additional qualification slot is a long shot (it's a long shot for any team other than China in my opinion).

I'm afraid to write any more. I now have a phobia of things changing as I write.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 25 2013 02:48 GMT
#3459
No solo ranked I need a duo partner. Where soniv at with dat heimerdinger
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
April 25 2013 02:52 GMT
#3460
On April 25 2013 11:11 aRyuujin wrote:
so i'm lookint to pick up a new hipster mid/top, any suggestions? looking at syndra/ kha'zix / zed/ fizz/ ahri/cass/kat/lux?



MPen Mundo. Sorc shoes -> Liandry's and transition into appropriate tank items. (Sunfire, Visage, etc). MPen Reds/Blues and even Quints if you want/can afford.
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