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LateralusGaming
Profile Joined March 2013
119 Posts
April 08 2013 22:15 GMT
#1941
On April 09 2013 06:34 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 06:22 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On April 09 2013 06:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 09 2013 06:13 IamPryda wrote:
im looking to learn a new top laner to add to my current pool. right now i play singed,yorick,malphite, and a bit of teemo. i tried rumble but didnt really like him that much. i was thinking kha, elise, or kayle. based on my current will anyone of those add something i am missing or any of those be easy to pick up based on the champs i play now?


Renekton, Elise, Akali


I hate all those champions, and I know I need to learn them if I want to go top lane again without playing severely out of date tops.

For fun times, you can always learn Nidalee and Jayce, the Architect of Poke. I think they have decent matchups against nearly everyone and transforming skills + poke is always fun to play!


Don't forget about Elise! She's really strong atm.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 08 2013 22:17 GMT
#1942
clg vs curse scrims streaming again.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 08 2013 22:22 GMT
#1943
Is doublelift stream working for you guys?
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
April 08 2013 22:22 GMT
#1944
On April 09 2013 06:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
how is variability the same as random


It depends in how you define it. No one takes the same set of starting items regardless of the enemy and ally team composition. So there does exist variability right there. It's only if people take different sets of starting items for the same ally enemy compositions that we can call starts variable without it having no meaning ( that is if you call the current start items invariable). If people do that then it must be random because there is no system by which their choices can be determined.

If you think that we are talking about the first situation that people start with the same items regardless of the enemy and ally team composition ( which is not true even if its true for the majority of played matchups) then we have a different but similar problem. That is your ok with having dominant item choices but not having those item choices be dominant across champions of similar type. In order for that situation to be resolved it must be the case that champions receive different value for starting items. But that cannot be the case with a defined time dependent scaling structure such as leagues ( in that champions scale base on the type of items they buy rather than randomly). And since a defined scaling structure such as league is beneficial to understanding and creating a strategic space with which to play the game that goes beyond simple skill redefining that aspect can/will have disastrous effects for the balance and structure of the game.

To get what I mean by this consider a that in order to have the variability that you want while still having those dominant item choices for specific champion matchups it must be the case that some ADCs scale harder off damage or health than others and that this power must be immediate at level 1. It should be obvious that unless that adc doesn't scale off the typical trifecta of damage crit and as that they will be strictly more or less powerful than other ADCs. But if they don't scale off of that trifecta then they're not really ADCs any more. If you do this with only a few champions they are op and banned out. If you do this with a lot of champions the meta shifts such that matchups are similar again and your right back to complaining that there is no variability in the game just like people were and are complaining that the meta is stale only a few months after major shifts in play style across all teams in all venues.

The only reasonable conclusion is to say "ya'll don't know what you want and ya'll don't understand how games are structured. Games have the same opening and general strategies? Yea so has chess for 500 years and people still play the shit out of that (with changing meta no less!) and its still fun thousands of thousands of games in"
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
April 08 2013 22:22 GMT
#1945
I really wish my boys at EG had picked up M5 instead of CLG.EU....
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 08 2013 22:24 GMT
#1946
On April 09 2013 07:14 Craton wrote:
xPeke above Alex Ich

For shame.


alex ich requested people vote for xpeke over him because he wasn't happy with his recent performance

he was way ahead before
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 08 2013 22:25 GMT
#1947
It's not even that there's no variability in opening's. It's just that the potential variability through runes and masteries exceeds that of items, so it's not a surprise that people will take the one "best" item opening and fine tune their runes and masteries per matchup--which, again, people actually do.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
April 08 2013 22:25 GMT
#1948
On April 09 2013 07:24 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 07:14 Craton wrote:
xPeke above Alex Ich

For shame.


alex ich requested people vote for xpeke over him because he wasn't happy with his recent performance

he was way ahead before

стыдно!
twitch.tv/cratonz
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 08 2013 22:25 GMT
#1949
On April 09 2013 07:14 Craton wrote:
xPeke above Alex Ich

For shame.


??
That's "ok". There are much worse transgressions.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
April 08 2013 22:26 GMT
#1950
On April 09 2013 07:22 nafta wrote:
Is doublelift stream working for you guys?

I think he is having difficultys starting it... maybe he will fix it, maybe not
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 08 2013 22:26 GMT
#1951
http://www.twitch.tv/Voyboy

Crs CLG scrims starting soon. In Champ Select
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 22:35:04
April 08 2013 22:28 GMT
#1952
On April 09 2013 07:26 SagaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 07:22 nafta wrote:
Is doublelift stream working for you guys?

I think he is having difficultys starting it... maybe he will fix it, maybe not


Hope he does.If not aphromoo it is.Gotta learn how 2 twitch.

Holy shit did you guys see dat saint huehuehuehuehue.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 22:35:14
April 08 2013 22:34 GMT
#1953
im watching chauster's stream :d

hsgg missed shadow dash, mehhhh...
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 08 2013 22:34 GMT
#1954
l0l, Double has a triple kill 4 minutes into the game. D:
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 08 2013 22:39 GMT
#1955
Some might consider stubbornness but I have to applaud Chauster for sticking to Lee because it feels comfortable with Lee, instead of abandoning the champion after nerfs.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 08 2013 22:41 GMT
#1956
On April 09 2013 07:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
Some might consider stubbornness but I have to applaud Chauster for sticking to Lee because it feels comfortable with Lee, instead of abandoning the champion after nerfs.

"after nerfs" is an understatement.
liftlift > tsm
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 08 2013 22:42 GMT
#1957
On April 09 2013 07:25 TheYango wrote:
It's not even that there's no variability in opening's. It's just that the potential variability through runes and masteries exceeds that of items, so it's not a surprise that people will take the one "best" item opening and fine tune their runes and masteries per matchup--which, again, people actually do.


I feel like this is a weak point of the rune system. Until you hit a point where you can consistently get a couple of positions, or a LOT of rune pages with full sets of runes, a person with the best set of runes for a matchup has a marginal advantage. Being able to take scaling Mr vs a riven + j4 combo for example. It's such a niche page, but if you can get away with it, one tiny advantage in your favour
Porouscloud - NA LoL
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 08 2013 22:43 GMT
#1958
Lee is super fun and has so much potential for da outplays though.Clg have been stomping crs SO HARD these streamed scrims.

"Your taunts fucking suck dude"-Chauster 2013
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 22:47:35
April 08 2013 22:43 GMT
#1959
that bot lane raped reminds of good old chausterlift elementz lvl 3 cop lvl 4 vs double and aphro both lvl 6 lol

dbl 11min IE
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 22:47:20
April 08 2013 22:45 GMT
#1960
wow hotshot missed another dash. i dont even know what to say.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
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