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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:33 sylverfyre wrote: Or even a compromise : It's ok if they DO build into things, but the things they build into are not cost-efficient upgrades. Hexdrinker -> Maw of Malmortius is a good example: You get hexdrinker early, you don't touch maw until you're at 4+ items and you still want it. I feel like Brutalizer->Cleaver and other items should fit this power curve, but it's extremely rare in League. (Haunting Guise/Liandry's Torment is the only other thing I can think of that is even close to a power curve like that.) Liandry's a super good buy on a lot of champs, you even see champs buy Guise mainly because they'll get Liandry's later. If anything it's an example of a good opportunity cost (get a Guise for stronger midgame) gone wrong (it's never a bad thing because you can upgrade it to Liandry's anytime). | ||
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DrunkenOne
United States302 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:09 Zergneedsfood wrote: Pretty sure there are a few top laners like Renekton or Riven and you get the dblade purely so you can all-in at like....level 2. I haven't tried it for myself so I don't know how good it is....but it sounds awful. iirc it was pretty standard even last season vs like vlad or someone else with awful early game | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:10 DrunkenOne wrote: iirc it was pretty standard even last season vs like vlad or someone else with awful early game Maybe that's why I fed first blood vlad every game!!!!!! Just kidding. My vlad is super awful. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote: Everyone knows sarcasm is backwards italics. i yllatot agree with that. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
ɯsɐɔɹɐs uɐılıɐɹʇsnɐ uo pǝʇɹɐʇs ǝɯ ʇǝƃ uǝʌǝ ʇ,uop | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:09 Zergneedsfood wrote: Pretty sure there are a few top laners like Renekton or Riven and you get the dblade purely so you can all-in at like....level 2. I haven't tried it for myself so I don't know how good it is....but it sounds awful. On occasion I open Dblade on toplane Xin (only when laning against someone like yorick though), and All-in at level 2 with the jungler who just got blue. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:23 Gahlo wrote: ɯsɐɔɹɐs uɐılıɐɹʇsnɐ uo pǝʇɹɐʇs ǝɯ ʇǝƃ uǝʌǝ ʇ,uop That was only Australian. I fail to see and backwards italics there. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
it was pretty great, because only noobs would get confused by it and then we'd rag on them. if i saw an enemy with a dblade and i went like longsword or cloth, i'd just play passive as possible until i'd backed and bought real items. this is pretty lame, but from a lore perspective i'd like doran to get his memory back and make some OP Doran's items that build out of 2 or 3 of the basic ones huehuehue. or maybe something that build out of like dblade + bfsword, dring + nlr, or dshield + giant's belt | ||
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TSBspartacus
England1046 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:00 TheKefka wrote: i see nothing has changed in regards to prime time login queues on EU west TT I like that it says "hold on, we are experiencing an unusually large amount of summoners". No, its just the usual, every friday without a doubt and most of the weekend. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
Wouldn't it benefit everyone to scale NMM down to 300 gold so its a viable start against APs just like Cloth is against ADs. And also scale Amp Tome down to 400 gold just the same as Long Sword. This way you could start with Defensive + 5 pots -OR- Offensive + 2 pots. You would still have the machete/flask/boots/charm/bead options. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Part of the problem in attempting to create starting item variability is that creating mixed strategies for particular structures can be very unstable. That is suppose we could create a system that had people picking random starts between dblades and pots. In this case it may only take a small meta shift or item strength shift to move us to a non random starting set. The reason for this is basically that the laning item start choice is roughly symmetric and zero sum. That is if we both chose the same options we will generally have the same outcome in the lane with regards to item effects. Even if an advantage in purchasing against the enemy lane by knowing what they bough could be attained the available options generally lie on a two dimensional spectrum if survivability and damage any threat of counter picking with item choices isn't credible. Counter plays and varying item starts in general cannot be achieved in a game like league because of the way the game is necessarily structured. What you find instead is that each matchup will have its optimal start and many times they will be the same if there isn't an inherent mismatch in the lane. This is not necessarily a bad thing and attempts to create situations in which the enemy or your own choice is not determinate can backfire and destroy the underlying competitive systems in a game. A good example of this can be seen in league with the penetration changes and the introduction if black cleaver. Black cleaver and the penetration changes were introduced in order to provide a counter play to stacking armor. But because stacking armor was a choice you made only if an enemy physical damage dealer was out of hand and the enemy magic damage dealer is not. That or if you needed to build against your lane in order to win lane. But because you only stacked armor int those situations the ability of physical damage dealers to counter your counter play meant that it never made sense to stack armor. Because of this much of the meta game involving team design was lost since you no longer needed to ensure your teams damage composition had the variety to protect against that. Thus non utility mages fell off since you could do just as we'll with the physical damage dealers and not suffer the disadvantages of ap champions. Please excuse spelling errors as this was posted with a phone. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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LateralusGaming
119 Posts
This was posted on Reddit the other day. I thought it was interesting. What does the TL community think? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Realistically, with what's possible with runes/masteries, the reason for homogeneous starting items is that you can simply just buy the most cost-efficient start possible, and do all your matchup-specific tweaking via runes/masteries (because you have far more specificity and optimization possible from that anyway). Which is precisely what people do. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On April 09 2013 05:42 ticklishmusic wrote: when i used to play travian, we did sarcasm by typing in blue font. it was pretty great, because only noobs would get confused by it and then we'd rag on them. if i saw an enemy with a dblade and i went like longsword or cloth, i'd just play passive as possible until i'd backed and bought real items. this is pretty lame, but from a lore perspective i'd like doran to get his memory back and make some OP Doran's items that build out of 2 or 3 of the basic ones huehuehue. or maybe something that build out of like dblade + bfsword, dring + nlr, or dshield + giant's belt WTF someone say Travian?!? | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
travian master race reporting in romans4lyfe | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On April 09 2013 06:13 IamPryda wrote: im looking to learn a new top laner to add to my current pool. right now i play singed,yorick,malphite, and a bit of teemo. i tried rumble but didnt really like him that much. i was thinking kha, elise, or kayle. based on my current will anyone of those add something i am missing or any of those be easy to pick up based on the champs i play now? Renekton, Elise, Akali | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Build all the praetoriansssss. | ||
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