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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 08 2013 18:53 GMT
#1881
On April 09 2013 03:47 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 03:40 TheYango wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:18 sylverfyre wrote:
To be fair some of this niche is taken by Runes instead.

I would argue that it was partly the intent of runes and masteries to replace the granularity of starting items in the first place.

Agreed. We don't need branches and shit, that's what runes are for.
I wouldnt complain if dorans were a little more viable for level 1 items, but that would so easily turn into a situation of "only buy dorans + pots (+ward) level 1 ever"


I mean, I would like to see low-cost dead-end items that represent the extreme for cost/slot-efficiency tradeoffs, but that's not going to happen. And if Riot is just going to make them all build into things, there's not a big reason to have them in the game.
Moderator
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 19:02:34
April 08 2013 19:00 GMT
#1882
i see nothing has changed in regards to prime time login queues on EU west TT
Cackle™
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
April 08 2013 19:05 GMT
#1883
Well the login server was down so now everyone is trying to log in.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 19:09:27
April 08 2013 19:09 GMT
#1884
Why every time I forget to turn off my client after playing the server crashes later that day?lololololololololol

Also it never discs me and can join any que xD.
LateralusGaming
Profile Joined March 2013
119 Posts
April 08 2013 19:17 GMT
#1885
NA Player Reporting In. No queue or crash yet. Hehehe
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
April 08 2013 19:19 GMT
#1886
login queue on euw? better give NA RP.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 19:26:16
April 08 2013 19:24 GMT
#1887
i hate NA amateur team managers holy fuck, everyone has their head stuck up their ass thinking they actually do shit and act like bigshots when they just piggyback off of players and suck dick to get into the scene.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 08 2013 19:25 GMT
#1888
What are you trying to say, bly?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 08 2013 19:25 GMT
#1889
I think we had this conversation before.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 08 2013 19:26 GMT
#1890
Non sequitur much?
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 08 2013 19:26 GMT
#1891
On April 09 2013 03:49 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 03:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
Man, you guys are doing it wrong if you're complaining about not having enough stuff at the start.

I mean like, you have the option of all these wonderful Doran's items, then you can take your pick of consumables and one or two regen items. I think its great.

Also, heavy consumables start is kind of underrated on some supports. Taking 3 or 4 mana pots on Lulu is soooo abusive, and taking the pickpocket mastery totally makes up for it.

EDIT: freeweek blitz, time to always ban


The only role you can really open a dorans item is ADC. There are probably some mid lane match ups or top lane match ups where Dring/Dblade/Dshield could work but it'd probably be a bit risky and if you have one even trade you're going to be behind or forced to back to get pots so you have to either farm without being harassed at all or harass them without being harassed back.

If they nerf the amount of starting pots you'll just see lots of mid laners go flask+pots or faerie charm+5pot+ward. Non-mana using top laners probably go something like cloth+5pot a lot.

edit:
I don't wanna go back to season 1 where everyone bought Dblade+2pot or Dring+2pot.


Err, I was being sarcastic. That's why I used italics.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 08 2013 19:29 GMT
#1892
On April 09 2013 04:26 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 03:49 overt wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
Man, you guys are doing it wrong if you're complaining about not having enough stuff at the start.

I mean like, you have the option of all these wonderful Doran's items, then you can take your pick of consumables and one or two regen items. I think its great.

Also, heavy consumables start is kind of underrated on some supports. Taking 3 or 4 mana pots on Lulu is soooo abusive, and taking the pickpocket mastery totally makes up for it.

EDIT: freeweek blitz, time to always ban


The only role you can really open a dorans item is ADC. There are probably some mid lane match ups or top lane match ups where Dring/Dblade/Dshield could work but it'd probably be a bit risky and if you have one even trade you're going to be behind or forced to back to get pots so you have to either farm without being harassed at all or harass them without being harassed back.

If they nerf the amount of starting pots you'll just see lots of mid laners go flask+pots or faerie charm+5pot+ward. Non-mana using top laners probably go something like cloth+5pot a lot.

edit:
I don't wanna go back to season 1 where everyone bought Dblade+2pot or Dring+2pot.


Err, I was being sarcastic. That's why I used italics.

Everyone knows sarcasm is backwards italics.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 19:33:27
April 08 2013 19:33 GMT
#1893
On April 09 2013 03:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 03:47 sylverfyre wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:40 TheYango wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:18 sylverfyre wrote:
To be fair some of this niche is taken by Runes instead.

I would argue that it was partly the intent of runes and masteries to replace the granularity of starting items in the first place.

Agreed. We don't need branches and shit, that's what runes are for.
I wouldnt complain if dorans were a little more viable for level 1 items, but that would so easily turn into a situation of "only buy dorans + pots (+ward) level 1 ever"


I mean, I would like to see low-cost dead-end items that represent the extreme for cost/slot-efficiency tradeoffs, but that's not going to happen. And if Riot is just going to make them all build into things, there's not a big reason to have them in the game.

Or even a compromise : It's ok if they DO build into things, but the things they build into are not cost-efficient upgrades. Hexdrinker -> Maw of Malmortius is a good example: You get hexdrinker early, you don't touch maw until you're at 4+ items and you still want it. I feel like Brutalizer->Cleaver and other items should fit this power curve, but it's extremely rare in League. (Haunting Guise/Liandry's Torment is the only other thing I can think of that is even close to a power curve like that.)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 08 2013 19:37 GMT
#1894
Mecurial scimitar too.
liftlift > tsm
LateralusGaming
Profile Joined March 2013
119 Posts
April 08 2013 19:55 GMT
#1895
On April 09 2013 04:24 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i hate NA amateur team managers holy fuck, everyone has their head stuck up their ass thinking they actually do shit and act like bigshots when they just piggyback off of players and suck dick to get into the scene.


Uh... What?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 08 2013 19:56 GMT
#1896
yes Mr unibrow is slowly closing in on yolopete and I expect him to overtake pete by the end of the voting :D
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 08 2013 20:01 GMT
#1897
On April 09 2013 00:02 DrunkenOne wrote:
What items to start with as wukong mid? I guess red elixir + pots + ward, but after the elixir price increase I'm not sure what will make sense. Flask is in theory good due to his high mana costs but I don't love flask starts.


until it's nerfed red elixir start mid is incredibly strong.
Carrilord has arrived.
Soloside
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1238 Posts
April 08 2013 20:03 GMT
#1898
On April 09 2013 04:24 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i hate NA amateur team managers holy fuck, everyone has their head stuck up their ass thinking they actually do shit and act like bigshots when they just piggyback off of players and suck dick to get into the scene.


Which amateur manager(s) are you calling out?
LoL: Taylor Swift | King Kayle
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 08 2013 20:08 GMT
#1899
On April 09 2013 04:33 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 03:53 TheYango wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:47 sylverfyre wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:40 TheYango wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:18 sylverfyre wrote:
To be fair some of this niche is taken by Runes instead.

I would argue that it was partly the intent of runes and masteries to replace the granularity of starting items in the first place.

Agreed. We don't need branches and shit, that's what runes are for.
I wouldnt complain if dorans were a little more viable for level 1 items, but that would so easily turn into a situation of "only buy dorans + pots (+ward) level 1 ever"


I mean, I would like to see low-cost dead-end items that represent the extreme for cost/slot-efficiency tradeoffs, but that's not going to happen. And if Riot is just going to make them all build into things, there's not a big reason to have them in the game.

Or even a compromise : It's ok if they DO build into things, but the things they build into are not cost-efficient upgrades. Hexdrinker -> Maw of Malmortius is a good example: You get hexdrinker early, you don't touch maw until you're at 4+ items and you still want it. I feel like Brutalizer->Cleaver and other items should fit this power curve, but it's extremely rare in League. (Haunting Guise/Liandry's Torment is the only other thing I can think of that is even close to a power curve like that.)


Except BC and Liandry's are too strong for that paradigm.
Freeeeeeedom
DrunkenOne
Profile Joined August 2012
United States302 Posts
April 08 2013 20:08 GMT
#1900
Last question about wu mid, he was my highest win rate champ in s2 but i played him top, mid are you still going 9/21 or 21/9 for more burst?
Yarr?
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