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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 08 2013 16:17 GMT
#1841
On April 08 2013 23:01 sylverfyre wrote:
But why is BOTRK core and not Hydra? IMO, hydra should be your core AD-activation item.

BotRK active is doubled by ult.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 08 2013 16:20 GMT
#1842
On April 09 2013 00:12 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 00:02 DrunkenOne wrote:
What items to start with as wukong mid? I guess red elixir + pots + ward, but after the elixir price increase I'm not sure what will make sense. Flask is in theory good due to his high mana costs but I don't love flask starts.

Well, if they're going to be lowering the number of potions you can carry at a time to 5, flask might end up being the way to go.


Omg, is this really a thing they're considering????

:DDDD
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 08 2013 16:26 GMT
#1843
On April 09 2013 01:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 00:12 sylverfyre wrote:
On April 09 2013 00:02 DrunkenOne wrote:
What items to start with as wukong mid? I guess red elixir + pots + ward, but after the elixir price increase I'm not sure what will make sense. Flask is in theory good due to his high mana costs but I don't love flask starts.

Well, if they're going to be lowering the number of potions you can carry at a time to 5, flask might end up being the way to go.


Omg, is this really a thing they're considering????

:DDDD

Pretty sure some Riot person said they were considering this on the EU LCS stream.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 16:30:53
April 08 2013 16:29 GMT
#1844
On April 09 2013 01:17 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:01 sylverfyre wrote:
But why is BOTRK core and not Hydra? IMO, hydra should be your core AD-activation item.

BotRK active is doubled by ult.


Zed's ult technically affects Hydra and BotRK actives equally, except (as I demonstrated here) Hydra's extra AD will actually result in more damage than BotRK can make up for against any target you could reasonably assassinate.

The real reason BotRK is core and Hydra is not is that BotRK comes with utility, utility which comes very early in the item's build path. Hydra isn't going to help you chase someone down or escape, it doesn't provide as much sustain (12% Life Steal vs 15% + Passive), and super wave clear isn't all that useful on a champion who isn't typically expected to split push.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
April 08 2013 16:35 GMT
#1845
On April 09 2013 01:17 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:01 sylverfyre wrote:
But why is BOTRK core and not Hydra? IMO, hydra should be your core AD-activation item.

BotRK active is doubled by ult.

Not doubled. *1.5.

On April 09 2013 01:29 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 01:17 Gahlo wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:01 sylverfyre wrote:
But why is BOTRK core and not Hydra? IMO, hydra should be your core AD-activation item.

BotRK active is doubled by ult.


Zed's ult technically affects Hydra and BotRK actives equally, except (as I demonstrated here) Hydra's extra AD will actually result in more damage than BotRK can make up for against any target you could reasonably assassinate.

The real reason BotRK is core and Hydra is not is that BotRK comes with utility, utility which comes very early in the item's build path. Hydra isn't going to help you chase someone down or escape, it doesn't provide as much sustain (12% Life Steal vs 15% + Passive), and super wave clear isn't all that useful on a champion who isn't typically expected to split push.

Wut. Zed is maybe one of the best split pushers in the game : impossible to catch just like shaco, godlike 1v1, and very fast to kill towers.
The legend of Darien lives on
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 16:42:02
April 08 2013 16:41 GMT
#1846
Have we discussed how Riot is considering putting a 5pot cap on champs or the reddit thread calling for new rejuvenation bead tier items like "ruby shards"?

I personally have a hard enough time ganking already and always have to check my opponent's items to see if they have wards. More and more, people are warding both their tri and their river. It says a lot when someone can sacrifice 8 creeps every 3 minutes just on the chance that they'll be ganked, and at lower levels people walk through wards all the time. It often feels like no lanes can be ganked and I've almost cleared my entire jungle. I think the low tier items meta reduces risk. Whether good or bad I don't know. The better team still wins most games.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
April 08 2013 16:43 GMT
#1847
On April 09 2013 01:17 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:01 sylverfyre wrote:
But why is BOTRK core and not Hydra? IMO, hydra should be your core AD-activation item.

BotRK active is doubled by ult.

It's +50% by ult. And SO IS HYDRA ACTIVE.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 08 2013 17:02 GMT
#1848
my friend was playing zed and forgot to get botrk first (i forgot what he ended up building), and in that game he missed 3 or 4 kills that would have swung the game in our favor because he didn't have the pursuit ability that botrk gives.

he burned 4 enemy flashes though. *shrug*
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 17:13:02
April 08 2013 17:12 GMT
#1849
On April 09 2013 01:35 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 01:17 Gahlo wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:01 sylverfyre wrote:
But why is BOTRK core and not Hydra? IMO, hydra should be your core AD-activation item.

BotRK active is doubled by ult.

Not doubled. *1.5.

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 01:29 Seuss wrote:
On April 09 2013 01:17 Gahlo wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:01 sylverfyre wrote:
But why is BOTRK core and not Hydra? IMO, hydra should be your core AD-activation item.

BotRK active is doubled by ult.


Zed's ult technically affects Hydra and BotRK actives equally, except (as I demonstrated here) Hydra's extra AD will actually result in more damage than BotRK can make up for against any target you could reasonably assassinate.

The real reason BotRK is core and Hydra is not is that BotRK comes with utility, utility which comes very early in the item's build path. Hydra isn't going to help you chase someone down or escape, it doesn't provide as much sustain (12% Life Steal vs 15% + Passive), and super wave clear isn't all that useful on a champion who isn't typically expected to split push.

Wut. Zed is maybe one of the best split pushers in the game : impossible to catch just like shaco, godlike 1v1, and very fast to kill towers.

He is also on of the best pushers with any item build. BotRK ms active is to valuable to skip,
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 17:20:51
April 08 2013 17:20 GMT
#1850
My bad on the double/50% thing, don't see Zed all that much to look him up. ><
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
April 08 2013 17:24 GMT
#1851
So BotRK Zed is the new GP10 discussion?
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 17:30:10
April 08 2013 17:29 GMT
#1852
so.. i know there is some overlap between TLers and redditers, what do you guys think about new support guide series - "Support Cards" - http://imgur.com/a/S7bOH#0 ?

a lot of the purpose here came from a few questions and discussions ive had in TL about guides. I wanted to highlight the contrast between supports so people can figure out "oh this is what this support does that is unique!" etc. and not only give like a quick-guide to people who are like "ok i just picked nami for first time in a month, what should i max!?!"
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 08 2013 17:34 GMT
#1853
already posted in the reddit thread I find them really awesome, especially knowing that they are from a highlevel player, it really helps me ( main ad/supp) to research some lane matchup better and fast.

Only nitpicking I have is that "lane counters" could be replaced with sth like "strong against" because at first I thought that e.g. thresh is supposed to be weak against ezreal and kog. but that's probably just me.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 08 2013 17:36 GMT
#1854
On April 09 2013 02:29 spellsy wrote:
so.. i know there is some overlap between TLers and redditers, what do you guys think about new support guide series - "Support Cards" - http://imgur.com/a/S7bOH#0 ?

a lot of the purpose here came from a few questions and discussions ive had in TL about guides. I wanted to highlight the contrast between supports so people can figure out "oh this is what this support does that is unique!" etc. and not only give like a quick-guide to people who are like "ok i just picked nami for first time in a month, what should i max!?!"

They're pretty well done. You should totally mention TL though 'cause people still don't give a shit about us.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 08 2013 17:38 GMT
#1855
The support cards are great. It won't teach someone how to play support but as a quicklook tool it's still very helpful!

TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 08 2013 17:39 GMT
#1856
On April 09 2013 01:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
Have we discussed how Riot is considering putting a 5pot cap on champs or the reddit thread calling for new rejuvenation bead tier items like "ruby shards"?

I will say that if Riot goes with this option, I will be disappointed if they have build paths.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with filler that you just sell later.
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spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
April 08 2013 17:41 GMT
#1857
On April 09 2013 02:34 AsnSensation wrote:
already posted in the reddit thread I find them really awesome, especially knowing that they are from a highlevel player, it really helps me ( main ad/supp) to research some lane matchup better and fast.

Only nitpicking I have is that "lane counters" could be replaced with sth like "strong against" because at first I thought that e.g. thresh is supposed to be weak against ezreal and kog. but that's probably just me.

no i had this same problem even while writing (even on the 2nd iteration when i went back to it after like week and half i was confused again lol).

yea, ive been thinking a bit about what to do re: the bottom section titles. I dont know if "strong against" would be good.. maybe "Good partners", "Leona strong vs.", "Leona weak vs."
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
April 08 2013 17:42 GMT
#1858
On April 09 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 02:29 spellsy wrote:
so.. i know there is some overlap between TLers and redditers, what do you guys think about new support guide series - "Support Cards" - http://imgur.com/a/S7bOH#0 ?

a lot of the purpose here came from a few questions and discussions ive had in TL about guides. I wanted to highlight the contrast between supports so people can figure out "oh this is what this support does that is unique!" etc. and not only give like a quick-guide to people who are like "ok i just picked nami for first time in a month, what should i max!?!"

They're pretty well done. You should totally mention TL though 'cause people still don't give a shit about us.

i have hard enough time marketing myself .. i feel like ive put a lot of work into making decent content and people always say nice things but i have absolutely nothing to show for any of it .. no money no fame no opportunities etc
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
April 08 2013 17:42 GMT
#1859
On April 09 2013 02:39 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 01:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
Have we discussed how Riot is considering putting a 5pot cap on champs or the reddit thread calling for new rejuvenation bead tier items like "ruby shards"?

I will say that if Riot goes with this option, I will be disappointed if they have build paths.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with filler that you just sell later.

Reduce the cost of Doran's items to 300, cut stats to compensate and add more of them.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 08 2013 17:46 GMT
#1860
On April 09 2013 02:42 Xacez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 02:39 TheYango wrote:
On April 09 2013 01:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
Have we discussed how Riot is considering putting a 5pot cap on champs or the reddit thread calling for new rejuvenation bead tier items like "ruby shards"?

I will say that if Riot goes with this option, I will be disappointed if they have build paths.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with filler that you just sell later.

Reduce the cost of Doran's items to 300, cut stats to compensate and add more of them.

They should have a set of boots for ~425 that are just level 2 boots with no other stats, and can't be enhanced with Homeguard or whatever. For people who actually want to start with noticeable MS now that Boots1 are almost completely negligible.
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