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Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
April 08 2013 07:03 GMT
#1801
On April 08 2013 13:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wukong so fun.
Too bad he's so bad at 1v2 that he can't be competitive.

The solution is to play him mid !
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 07:21:18
April 08 2013 07:08 GMT
#1802
Hmmm

After some thought and common sense, I'm thinking: Why the heck would you even build Bloodthirster on Zed? Why debate between Hydra and BotRK?

Just get both. Double active nuke ftw. Also, like this you can even stop at Tiamat, finishing Hydra way later.

Also just played a 70min game with Zed, he's stronger lategame than my impression was. Still makes things explode.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
April 08 2013 07:41 GMT
#1803
Realistically it's either/or because you need some sort of survivability after BotRK/Hydra/whatever unless you're super fed. In a long game you can theoretically have both, but for the mid-game you can't.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 08 2013 08:31 GMT
#1804
On April 08 2013 16:08 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm

After some thought and common sense, I'm thinking: Why the heck would you even build Bloodthirster on Zed? Why debate between Hydra and BotRK?

Just get both. Double active nuke ftw. Also, like this you can even stop at Tiamat, finishing Hydra way later.

Also just played a 70min game with Zed, he's stronger lategame than my impression was. Still makes things explode.

Zed so ridiculously amazing; one of the few new champs from Riot that I've really liked the design behind.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 08 2013 08:50 GMT
#1805
On April 08 2013 17:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 16:08 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm

After some thought and common sense, I'm thinking: Why the heck would you even build Bloodthirster on Zed? Why debate between Hydra and BotRK?

Just get both. Double active nuke ftw. Also, like this you can even stop at Tiamat, finishing Hydra way later.

Also just played a 70min game with Zed, he's stronger lategame than my impression was. Still makes things explode.

Zed so ridiculously amazing; one of the few new champs from Riot that I've really liked the design behind.

Yup, it's too bad that I cannot properly play with this computer but still he's got a ton of outplay-value and his teemfighting seems to have a ton of possibilities for finesse(mainly utilizing his shadows and the shadow cooldown reset properly).
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 09:14:25
April 08 2013 08:57 GMT
#1806
On April 08 2013 17:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 16:08 Shikyo wrote:
Hmmm

After some thought and common sense, I'm thinking: Why the heck would you even build Bloodthirster on Zed? Why debate between Hydra and BotRK?

Just get both. Double active nuke ftw. Also, like this you can even stop at Tiamat, finishing Hydra way later.

Also just played a 70min game with Zed, he's stronger lategame than my impression was. Still makes things explode.

Zed so ridiculously amazing; one of the few new champs from Riot that I've really liked the design behind.


I would agree on this point.

And then they release a whole bunch of shit that smashes the boundaries of power/utility/mobility. Small wonder that about a third of the champ pool is arguably unviable.

I'm just going to go through a list and write down all the champs I feel are underpowered/weak/rework needed right now just because of power creep, and the fact that Riot now designs for a meta, rather than designing champs. Every jungler needs to initiate from infinity range, every top laner needs to be ridiculously strong in lane, and can gap close, every support needs to have massive utility etc.
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anivia(mana costs in an age where most champs can't even use a third the mana she does if they tried)
corki (mana)
mundo
fiora
galio
GP
Garen
heimer
karma
LB
malz
morde
morg
nunu
olaf
panth
poppy
quinn(I feel like this is a meta issue rather than power, she does alright mid/top)
shaco
shyv
sion
sivir(mana cost or range)
skarner
teemo - absolutely crushes people without gap closers, loses quite hard to people who can force trades with him.
tryn
yorick
zilean
Porouscloud - NA LoL
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
April 08 2013 09:10 GMT
#1807
Yeah I love Zed, he really flows well with his skills and feels very satisfying to play.
Bloodthirster is huge on him because of the AD and the bonus AD from W. Without items Zed doesn't do much damage, and bloodthirster is the AD item he loves.
Though hydra does sound pretty good, I might use it as a replacement for my end game 2nd bloodthirster.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 08 2013 09:20 GMT
#1808
On April 08 2013 13:11 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 13:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wukong so fun.
Too bad he's so bad at 1v2 that he can't be competitive.


The decreased Pro Champion pool is my #1 complaint about 2v1 meta. Somehow Kassadin is still picked. But its killed some of my fave champs to watch like: Jax, Irelia, and Wukong.

Actually, its killed more than just chars that suck 2v1, it also killed my boy Olaf because he was too good 2v1.

no offence but i kinda got tired of jax,irelia every game in s2 happy we dont see them that often anymore
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
April 08 2013 09:45 GMT
#1809
I haven't tried Zed, but he seems pretty cool. Been playing alot of Riven lately though, love her mobility, her aoe stun, her knockback and her execute. And her damage, holy shit.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 10:01:24
April 08 2013 09:53 GMT
#1810
On April 08 2013 18:10 TSBspartacus wrote:
Yeah I love Zed, he really flows well with his skills and feels very satisfying to play.
Bloodthirster is huge on him because of the AD and the bonus AD from W. Without items Zed doesn't do much damage, and bloodthirster is the AD item he loves.
Though hydra does sound pretty good, I might use it as a replacement for my end game 2nd bloodthirster.

Hydra felt a lot better than BT. Also I'm not sure if you even need survivability, I was able to go BotRK + Hydra with just a Brutalizer. If you get focused you die anyway IMO, and with these items you can duel even tanks and stuff that doesn't make any sense. The combo also drops everything, for example we had a fed Garen with a warmogs and a black cleaver and a BotRK + Tiamat combo oneshot him with ignite. Note that while BT is 100AD at best, the moment you get it it's actually weaker than Hydra until you stack it to full, whereas with Hydra you instantly gain gigantic amounts of burst potential and can go for kills straight away. Only 100g more

Note I'm at a terribad level because I've went like 3-25 and I again cannot really play properly so my credibility is even lower than usual atm.




By the way, how does Assault and Battery function with Zed ult? Does it still go through?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
April 08 2013 10:03 GMT
#1811
Hydra (at least tiamat) is probably very good on jungle Zed isn't it ? If people still jungle Zed.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
April 08 2013 10:08 GMT
#1812
something i noticed on leagupedia:
Rankings are determined by the following methods:
Win Percentage
Total Wins (Or fewest losses when teams have no wins)
Alphabetical order


alphabetical order? really? why not vs score? why not some sort of, you know, rational basis for seeding?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 10:19:13
April 08 2013 10:15 GMT
#1813
Win % and Total Wins being separate doesn't even make sense, because at the end of the season all teams should have equal # of games played. It would only make sense in a format where there might be a variable # of games played (e.g. Bo3 matches).
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 08 2013 10:20 GMT
#1814
Shouldn't it be like KDA average or gold earned-ratio or something? I know those aren't always the most accurate measurements but probably still better than alphabetical order...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
April 08 2013 10:26 GMT
#1815
Well, aAa are the winners anyway.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
April 08 2013 10:58 GMT
#1816
Is LiquidParty at EUW still somewhat active? Or is there some other channel where everyone hangs out?
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 08 2013 11:00 GMT
#1817
On April 08 2013 14:14 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 13:43 101toss wrote:
On April 08 2013 13:38 LazyFailKid wrote:
What do you guys think about GP in a 2v1 lane, seems like he stays somewhat useful even with less farm then normal and q helps him catch back up if he gets some free farm. W lets him stay somewhat safe vs CC.

gp can't handle a 1v1 lane

wonder what that means

Nothing?

1v2 and 1v1 have totally different expectations. A "good" 1v1 laner is expected to be able to win lane and suppress the opponent if possible. On the other hand a "good" 1v2 laner is just expected to coast and sneak as much XP/CS as possible.

not necessarily

good 1v2 can also suppress being overrun by waves and being tower dived early, or holding it off with jungler support. good 1v2 also needs to be factor if there's a planned attack on the jungle buff with the 1v2 side.

if the tower falls early 1v2 and then lane switch turns it into 1v1 with no tower backing, it's definitely a factor.

the other problem with theorizing about who is good 1v2 is that unless you have a group to practice with it and actually deal with it, all we can do idly speculate. it's a rarity to see 1v2 anywhere that isn't arranged 5s, and even in arranged 5s it can be rare.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
April 08 2013 11:06 GMT
#1818
On April 08 2013 19:58 Fildun wrote:
Is LiquidParty at EUW still somewhat active? Or is there some other channel where everyone hangs out?

It's still very active if you want to talk about pokemon, chicks, poker, etc...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
April 08 2013 11:07 GMT
#1819
On April 08 2013 20:06 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 19:58 Fildun wrote:
Is LiquidParty at EUW still somewhat active? Or is there some other channel where everyone hangs out?

It's still very active if you want to talk about pokemon, chicks, poker, etc...

And for finding duoqueues?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 11:10:15
April 08 2013 11:08 GMT
#1820
So after playing Zac a few times in ranked I gotta say. His ulti is just silly. 75% cc reduction is just balls out retarded. Ult+tenacity+masteries is like ~85% cc reduction, which is just so hilarious. You max cdr and your W has a 2 second cooldown so you basically E in from 1.5k range to initiate with your R. Be unpeel-able for the duration while putting out a very decent amount of damage cause % max health damage is balanced and you get a mini ghost on top of that too!

At least Olaf didn't do % max health damage every 2 seconds and had to invest in that movespeed boost.
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