EPTpeople need to stop forcing him top/jungle/1v2
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
people need to stop forcing him top/jungle/1v2 | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On April 08 2013 12:21 Gahlo wrote: BotRK's active gets doubled by his ult. For a 300 ad Zed, Hydra's active falls behind at 2k max health. He's an assassin, so bursting a single person down is what he's all about. It's more complicated than that. There's a 50 AD difference between Hydra and BotRK. Assuming the combo is R->QE+Auto+Active, the equation for determining the breakeven point is: (1.5 [Q] + 0.8 [E] + 1 [R] + 1 [Auto]) * 50 * (1 + 0.05 * W Rank) + Total AD [Hydra Active] = Maximum Health * 0.15 [BotRK Active] + (Maximum Health - (532.5 + Total AD) / (1 + Armor/100)) * 0.05 [BotRK Passive] Armor is ignored beyond calculating the value of BotRK's passive because it otherwise affects both sides evenly. At level 18, a Hydra Zed will have 300 AD at the same time a BotRK Zed will have 237.5. Assuming the target's effective Armor (post penetration) is 75, the breakeven point maths out to 2733.75 Health. Anything more and BotRK is better, anything less and Hydra is better. For assassinating squishies, Hydra is simply better damage. The big difference is that Hydra offers less utility than BotRK. While using Hydra's active in a brawl or group of minions is a lot of healing, it's not going to save your life when escaping a gank, nor will it ensure a kill when you're chasing someone down. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 08 2013 13:43 101toss wrote: gp can't handle a 1v1 lane wonder what that means Nothing? 1v2 and 1v1 have totally different expectations. A "good" 1v1 laner is expected to be able to win lane and suppress the opponent if possible. On the other hand a "good" 1v2 laner is just expected to coast and sneak as much XP/CS as possible. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 08 2013 14:06 Seuss wrote: It's more complicated than that. There's a 50 AD difference between Hydra and BotRK. Assuming the combo is R->QE+Auto+Active, the equation for determining the breakeven point is: (1.5 [Q] + 0.8 [E] + 1 [R] + 1 [Auto]) * 50 * (1 + 0.05 * W Rank) + Total AD [Hydra Active] = Maximum Health * 0.15 [BotRK Active] + (Maximum Health - (532.5 + Total AD) / (1 + Armor/100)) * 0.05 [BotRK Passive] Armor is ignored beyond calculating the value of BotRK's passive because it otherwise affects both sides evenly. At level 18, a Hydra Zed will have 300 AD at the same time a BotRK Zed will have 237.5. Assuming the target's effective Armor (post penetration) is 75, the breakeven point maths out to 2733.75 Health. Anything more and BotRK is better, anything less and Hydra is better. For assassinating squishies, Hydra is simply better damage. The big difference is that Hydra offers less utility than BotRK. While using Hydra's active in a brawl or group of minions is a lot of healing, it's not going to save your life when escaping a gank, nor will it ensure a kill when you're chasing someone down. Hydra also doesn't build out of cutlass, which is actually a useful item to sit on while you save up for the finished BotRK. I'm a little on the lazy side to find an exact comparison, but building up to Hydra you're either sitting on just Tiamat(so no lifesteal), or Vamp+Pickaxe or something like that, so no active utility. | ||
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samthesaluki
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
On April 08 2013 14:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: ad thresh, but he'd lose to ad sona i woulda thought he would beat ad sona isnt his ad scaling much better? | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
GP has fallen out of flavor quite a bit, there is nothing wrong with his kit inherently but the varying other roles that more prominent 1v2s serve seem to be more suited to the level of farm you get with those champions. stronger bruisers than he are able to become strong enough to reach a point where the enemy ad or weaker toplane cannot 1v1 them, even after the initial 1v2 (especially if the tower is pushed down fast / there is an early lane swap back) and thus guarantee themselves the ability to splitpush and secure their own farm that way. people with greater utility or mobility than his global ult (see: shen, or a stronger TP user such as malphite) are able to impact the game more directly. i'd say if his e was a little bit stronger he would be good in teamcomps that would utilize its stats well in pushes and/or objective control | ||
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
On April 08 2013 14:28 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: sure, but scaling doesn't matter too much in a 1v1 mid. she gonna body his face in lane imo wut | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
I've tried holding it/mashing it but no go. How do people freeze lanes/junglers tank golems for AP by just standing there??? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On April 08 2013 14:51 sung_moon wrote: Speaking of WuKong, I can't for the life of me try his clone/fake clone jukes with mashing "S" to stop. I've tried holding it/mashing it but no go. How do people freeze lanes/junglers tank golems for AP by just standing there??? Press S during a move command. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
FTFY. If it doesn't work check your key bindings. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + LOL HOLY FUCKING SHIT I PLAYED A GAME JUST NOW WHERE MY BOT LANE SURVIVED ALL-INS BY LIKE 10 HP EACH TIME CUZ LULU IS A FUCKING BEAST I WENT TO THE STUDY ROOM, AND SAW TWO KIDS WHO HAD LOL OPEN AND THEY WERE REAL MAD. THEY TALKED ABOUT A GRAVES LULU LANE THAT BEAT THEM OUT BY LIKE 10 HP, SO I WAS CURIOUS AND CHECKED THEIR SUMMONER NAMES THEY WERE THE GUYS I HAD JUST PLAYED ROFL SMALL WORLD GG RIOT so... i just played a game where we won bot lane by literally a combined 30-50 hp. enemy twitch/leona engaged on us, but me (lulu) and graves managed to barely survive through a combination of my ridiculous cc and shields and some nice smokescreens and quickdraws (and i popped hp pot at the beginning of the fight, whew). i went to the study room of my dorm afterwards and saw two kids with lol open. they were complaining about how they had just lost to a graves/lulu lane barely, so i peeked at their screens. sure enough, they were the guys i had just played. gg riot, small world. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 08 2013 15:00 ticklishmusic wrote: k, redoing a shitpost (sry mod ppls) + Show Spoiler + LOL HOLY FUCKING SHIT I PLAYED A GAME JUST NOW WHERE MY BOT LANE SURVIVED ALL-INS BY LIKE 10 HP EACH TIME CUZ LULU IS A FUCKING BEAST I WENT TO THE STUDY ROOM, AND SAW TWO KIDS WHO HAD LOL OPEN AND THEY WERE REAL MAD. THEY TALKED ABOUT A GRAVES LULU LANE THAT BEAT THEM OUT BY LIKE 10 HP, SO I WAS CURIOUS AND CHECKED THEIR SUMMONER NAMES THEY WERE THE GUYS I HAD JUST PLAYED ROFL SMALL WORLD GG RIOT so... i just played a game where we won bot lane by literally a combined 30-50 hp. enemy twitch/leona engaged on us, but me (lulu) and graves managed to barely survive through a combination of my ridiculous cc and shields and some nice smokescreens and quickdraws (and i popped hp pot at the beginning of the fight, whew). i went to the study room of my dorm afterwards and saw two kids with lol open. they were complaining about how they had just lost to a graves/lulu lane barely, so i peeked at their screens. sure enough, they were the guys i had just played. gg riot, small world. Wow...that's actually pretty incredible. The odds of that have to be | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Had to do this a few times when my team got caught and I couldn't join without flashing over a wall. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On April 08 2013 15:23 onlywonderboy wrote: Wow...that's actually pretty incredible. The odds of that have to be pretty small. More than "pretty small"... that's insanely small | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
also, funn mpen page on fid is stupid. true damage all game. | ||
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