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[Patch 3.05.1: Karma Remake] General Discussion - Page 33

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OhTwoMise
Profile Joined September 2012
United States164 Posts
March 30 2013 16:29 GMT
#641
I guess maybe bland is the wrong word? She's not devoid of interesting play; she just has the same interesting play that 2-3 champions already have.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 30 2013 16:30 GMT
#642
Old Karma was just bad though. Like she was probably the worst champion the game has ever seen. At least Eve was good and then had to be nerfed until being bad. Karma was never strong whether it was in solo queue or arranged play (as we actually did see her a bit in competitive settings and it was nearly always bad, in fact I'm pretty certain Karma has never won a competitive league match).

On March 31 2013 00:46 OhTwoMise wrote:
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On March 30 2013 23:39 Potatisodlaren wrote:
Does anyone who liked Karma pre-rework actually like her now? I hate her and so does everyone I've seen who liked old Karma. I don't get it they pretty much changed everything, why not just make a new champion with the new skillset? Ryze rework still kept all his spells intact, same with Xin.

Her midgame was actually really similar to Zilean's, and we all know how he fares in solo queue.


Zilean isn't that bad in solo queue. He comes in with an average a bit under 50%, in the last month his lowest winrate day was 44%. Karma on the other hand peaked with a 45% winrate but was averaging high 30% and low 40% winrate in solo queue. This is, of course, with her old kit not her new one. Zilean's average winrate is 49%, Karma's is 37%.

Zilean is a strong champion. Karma was not. I'm sure people who loved Karma are foaming at the mouth but she was out for over two years and still has a sub-40% winrate in solo queue. It's safe to say she was a shitty champion at this point.

I think Riot is perfectly justified just trashing her entire old kit and starting from scratch.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 30 2013 16:36 GMT
#643
winrates..
Carrilord has arrived.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
March 30 2013 16:37 GMT
#644
Hey guys, can someone explain "mechanics" in this game? Because I hear "mechanically skilled" very often but I don't understand what constitutes as mechanical skill in this game outside of cs (and even that's a lot of knowing your skills) so it's weird to me =\.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 30 2013 16:39 GMT
#645
CS, landing skillshots, moving in between autoattacks, reaction time. I'd call that basic mechanics.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 16:46:55
March 30 2013 16:43 GMT
#646
I really liked the old Karma and am really sad about the remake. She doesn't feel like the same hero anymore. The whole "burden of knowledge" thing is a really lame reason to completely change a unique hero into a generic caster.
You also were never that pigeonholed into using mantra only for the skill you were maxing. Sometimes it helped to max Q in lane but old mantra E could still clear the wave and do good damage with its high (0.8) ratio.
Without going into whether she is stronger or weaker, it just feels like she is a completely different hero with a few references to the old one. If they wanted that they could have just released a new hero with different lore, like Karma's sister or something, and kept the old Karma the way she was.

On March 31 2013 01:30 overt wrote:
I'm pretty certain Karma has never won a competitive league match.


SGS ran Karma in a shield comp with Lulu, Jarvan, sometimes Lee Sin and had a lot of success with it
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 16:45:44
March 30 2013 16:43 GMT
#647
On March 31 2013 01:37 KissBlade wrote:
Hey guys, can someone explain "mechanics" in this game? Because I hear "mechanically skilled" very often but I don't understand what constitutes as mechanical skill in this game outside of cs (and even that's a lot of knowing your skills) so it's weird to me =\.




Definition of mechanics.
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liftlift > tsm
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 16:48:35
March 30 2013 16:47 GMT
#648
Just played the new Karma (mid), pretty garbage of a champion. Only useful thing I felt I could do was buffing people with the %ms.

I feel that the old one is WAY better than the remake
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 30 2013 16:53 GMT
#649
On March 31 2013 01:47 Inflicted_ wrote:
Just played the new Karma (mid), pretty garbage of a champion. Only useful thing I felt I could do was buffing people with the %ms.

I feel that the old one is WAY better than the remake


I donno. The new Karma is awfully difficult to play. I think she has SOME potential.... and it's at least greater than the old Karma.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 30 2013 16:55 GMT
#650
Guys, how does the LCS work in mid season exactly? 7th and 8th team are out of LCS, right? Do Team 3-6th have any chance of getting out of LCS too?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 17:02:18
March 30 2013 17:00 GMT
#651
On March 31 2013 01:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Guys, how does the LCS work in mid season exactly? 7th and 8th team are out of LCS, right? Do Team 3-6th have any chance of getting out of LCS too?


http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/Lcs

Top 6 play in Spring Playoffs. When Summer Season starts it kicks off with the bottom four LCS teams from Spring Season, four teams from qualifier tournaments, and four teams from ranked 5s. Those twelve teams play in a tournament with the top four qualifying for Summer Season.

So if CLG doesn't surpass Vulcun by the end of Spring Season for example they'll play for whether or not they qualify for Summer Season.

Although I'm not 100% clear if the bottom four is determined by Season ranking or by the end of the playoff ranking. Like if the playoffs were Complexity, Marn, Dignitas, and Curse in the semi-finals then I would assume that CLG, TSM, Vulcun, and GGU would have to play in the qualifiers for Summer Season as they didn't make top four in Spring Season playoffs.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 17:08:49
March 30 2013 17:03 GMT
#652
Tidecaller is a really fun support with a ton of potential for some clutch plays. Drop a splash from way behind the line when your low onto your adc for the ms boost and the heal which hits the enemy for a little dammage and then hits your jungler for another heal and ms boost.

So satisfying to go your ult, pop shurelias and then drop a bubble on the enemy tank line for some huge teamfight influence.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
March 30 2013 17:06 GMT
#653
On March 31 2013 02:00 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 01:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Guys, how does the LCS work in mid season exactly? 7th and 8th team are out of LCS, right? Do Team 3-6th have any chance of getting out of LCS too?


http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/Lcs

Top 6 play in Spring Playoffs. When Summer Season starts it kicks off with the bottom four LCS teams from Spring Season, four teams from qualifier tournaments, and four teams from ranked 5s. Those twelve teams play in a tournament with the top four qualifying for Summer Season.

So if CLG doesn't surpass Vulcun by the end of Spring Season for example they'll play for whether or not they qualify for Summer Season.

Although I'm not 100% clear if the bottom four is determined by Season ranking or by the end of the playoff ranking. Like if the playoffs were Complexity, Marn, Dignitas, and Curse in the semi-finals then I would assume that CLG, TSM, Vulcun, and GGU would have to play in the qualifiers for Summer Season as they didn't make top four in Spring Season playoffs.


Relegation
12 team qualifier
4 teams from Spring Season
4 teams from Partner Tournaments
4 teams from Ranked 5s Qualifiers
Top 4 teams advance
Regular Season
10 weeks
League play
Each team plays all of the other teams four times
Each matches are best of one
Playoffs
Top 6 teams from Round Robin
1st and 2nd place teams receive bye to semifinals
3rd through 6th place teams qualify to quarterfinals

A clear number sheet for what this guy said. the way they're going to handle relegation is top 2 are locked in for next season bottom 2 are automatically down into relegation and the middle 4 are going to duke it out to see which 2 get to stay and which 2 have to re qualify.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 30 2013 17:08 GMT
#654
All this conflict of opinions on new karma is really awesome to me.

Incoming Project Karma once I get back to my computer. I'll probably stream as much as I can too.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 17:12:27
March 30 2013 17:08 GMT
#655
Hmm, the more I think about it; how much does sunfire cape in terms of helping to push? The more I watch it in pro-games, it doesn't seem like it helps all that much in splitpushing. The only time it improves splitpushing is when there's a HUGE, HUGE wave, and it makes pushing that wave like 3-4 seconds faster; but it seems pretty insignificant in smaller waves.

On other note
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/02/18/china-opens-questionably-licensed-league-of-legends-restaurant-demacia/

I'd totally go to a LoL themed cafe.
liftlift > tsm
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
March 30 2013 17:14 GMT
#656
So the general impression of the karma remake is.

Shes now viable.

But a generic-boringasfuck ap mid

:D

I f**king need my PC fixed so i can play again, jesus its been so long O.O
Useless wet fish.
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
March 30 2013 17:22 GMT
#657
so excited for spring its gonna be so much fun
i wish riot would give me better ping
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 17:25:36
March 30 2013 17:23 GMT
#658
Stephen Ellis ‏@snoopeh
Looking for a Jungler. Diamond 1 Minimum, speaks English and can live in Germany - more details to follow over the next few days.

I wonder..
"My spoon is too big."
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 30 2013 17:24 GMT
#659
On March 31 2013 02:22 locodoco wrote:
so excited for spring its gonna be so much fun



!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 30 2013 17:37 GMT
#660
WOW GUYS THIS IS TERRIBLE KARMA WAS MY FAVORITE CHANPIOM I HAD 4 GAMES WITH HER IN SEASON 2 SHE WAS VIABLE BORDERING ON OVERPOWERED AND NOW ROIT HAS REMADE HER INTO A WALKING PILE OF POOPOO AND THE NEW KARMA IS NOTHING LIKE THE OLD ONE DESPITE SHARING A NUKE, A TETHER, A SHIELD AND MANTRA WHAT THE FUUUUUCK THIS GAME IS TAKING A TURN FOR THE WORSE


^all of you guys, right now
It's embarrassing

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