EPTSeriously. I don't think Riot's going to.
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Seriously. I don't think Riot's going to. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On March 20 2013 05:50 Slusher wrote: eh, the majority of max first spells on popular mids are now are AoE classification so it's really like 2.4% on shit(lvl1-5) damage, count me out. you have cause and effect completely backwards... | ||
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eParadox
Canada132 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
On March 20 2013 07:02 thenexusp wrote: As long as they refuse to touch Ez's E I think he'll always be played. i think this is true but does not mean he hasnt been overnerfed because of it | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 20 2013 06:47 Amui wrote: Heal on spell cast doesn't really work because that could flat out make it broken on karthus for example, while being almost worthless for somebody like anivia. heal 6 HP every time you deal spell damage, with 1/3 effect for AoE/DoT also has abuse cases. Morg would become absolutely unstoppable though if you couldn't push fast enough though(passive spellvamp+up to 60 HP per soil), and malz too once his E gets to the point where it can finish minions off easily. Actually the biggest abuse case I can think of is Cass W. It's normally maxed last, and it lasts a really, really long time. I honestly don't see a solution other than spell vamp, but then it'd be a scaling doran's item, which is also bad. All of your listed abuse cases can be solved by giving the passive an internal cooldown like Tear or Sheen have. | ||
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GettingIt
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On March 20 2013 04:48 clickrush wrote: 5 very overrated champions according to current statistics: 1. lee sin: everyone loves him, since he has such a fun kit and he was one of the most stable junglers for a long time. he didn't have any weaknesses until riot nerfed basicly everything that made him viable lategame. with mao, voli, xin there are junglers who gank just as well but have much stronger lategame potential as initiators and with vi and hecarim you have high dps carry junglers who don't lack in clearing time and gank decently. I agree that he is a lot, lot less scary then he used to be. But I think the manouverability he has and the crazy ganks and escapes that ensue from that stick in peoples mind as something they'd rather not face. 2. caitlyn: I think ppl like her because she is easy to play during the laning phase. What alot of players don't realize is that she actually has to snowball her early advantage to be as useful as other ad carries. she is probably the worst scaling ad carry in the game with her only steroid literally being her range which other ad carries can also provide, while cait lacks that extra something. ppl take it too easy with her and don't play her aggressive enough to keep up or carry with her. I love Caitlyn. I know she doesnt do quite as much damage as other AD's, I know she gets outtraded by a lot of champs in lane who also outdamage her late unless you manage to poke like a god, but I think she's worth it. Why? Because you can basically always go decent in lane, and you're basically always going to be able to hit a decent target in teamfights while being safe due to traps+net+flash. I've had plenty of games with hypercarry Vayne where I went 5-0 in lane but didnt manage to build on it lategame due to getting powerjumped by the enemy team, or being stuck on autoattacking their tank due to her short range. 3. ezreal players have to figure out where he stands now. he was kind of the carry who did everything a bit too well for a long time. He doesn't seem to be overnerfed but rather picked too often and probably too often by players who don't play ad carry that well in general. I completely agree that a lot of people who dont really seem to know ezreal play him because he's supposedly good. And they usually proceed ot be quite bad. 4. the leona players i see aren't aware of the following two things: you need very good timing to abuse her skillset and you need to be a good teamfighter with her. she is not like taric who can litterally choose to stun a target reliably even though she has more CC than him. She also has to time her skills right to actually deal all that damage that makes her so scary. Her all-in is scary as hell but not if you don't know when to do it. patience is just as important as not hesitating at the right moment with her. All that finesse is asked from players who basicly don't want to support anyways. hf I always dread playing Leona in case there might be a good one, but I certainly agree a lot of people whiff her completely, most noticably lategame. 5. blitz is super mega annoying and his hook is a game winning move. his laneing is terribly overrated though. I've seen enough ad carries dodgeing and baiting the shit out of blitz hooks during the laneing phase. blitz is a fine champ but you need to be an expert to play him well, since ppl are used to him at this point. The fact that ppl are not scared anymore makes puts alot of pressure on the blitz player. I personally rather like playing against Blitzes in lane. If you can somewhat dodge/avoid his hook he does nothing at all as a support. I've had some really good Blitz who really managed to keep the pressure on, but most of them just sit and wait for hooks from the brush, they'r no threat. What do all of those champions have in common? I'd say mostly the fact that they are all picked by players who don't actually enjoy and or play the champions role. The experts make those champions look good, and in the support section theres that "i don't want to support so I pick something that doesn't resemble one"-problem. Agreed. People playing champs "because they'r OP" while not being familliar with the champ is a huge reason for them proceeding to blow it with said OP champ. I remember myself blowing royal chunks with Malphite once for exactly that reason ^^ | ||
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eParadox
Canada132 Posts
On March 20 2013 07:13 GettingIt wrote: With the Lockey, Aegis, and Wardens nerf it feels like an indirect buff to adc. As a guy who mains tanky junglers and supports this is very frustrating... Wardens mail is still strong because they didn't nerf it where it had to be nerfed, it's not the fact that it slows, its the fact that it has a 100% chance to slow when hit. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On March 20 2013 07:01 AsnSensation wrote: Ezreal is very weak currently yes, I think base atksp nerf hurt him the most before that he was in a good spot but to say he was never that strong is definitely wrong imo, during Pulsefire release when his W still reduced Attack speed he straight up raped lanes because they couldnt trade back I'd actually like them to keep his bas the way it is now, but bring back his old W. Maybe lower some other stuff in the process. Thinking on it now, that ability was pretty unique, and it gave him a cool role on a team other than extremely safe adc. Also, why aren't more people playing Nami? She has one of the best ults I've ever seen. A fight breaks out, drop the R, drop the Q. It's so strong. Her laning isn't bad either. I actually like it more than Sona, because with Sona I always feel really fragile and I get the feeling I could die at any time. With Nami, I feel like I have enough tools to keep alive in tough situations. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35158 Posts
On March 20 2013 07:39 Dark_Chill wrote: I'd actually like them to keep his bas the way it is now, but bring back his old W. Maybe lower some other stuff in the process. Thinking on it now, that ability was pretty unique, and it gave him a cool role on a team other than extremely safe adc. Also, why aren't more people playing Nami? She has one of the best ults I've ever seen. A fight breaks out, drop the R, drop the Q. It's so strong. Her laning isn't bad either. I actually like it more than Sona, because with Sona I always feel really fragile and I get the feeling I could die at any time. With Nami, I feel like I have enough tools to keep alive in tough situations. Because too many people try to open with poorly placed Qs and try to use W as a standard heal and then complain it costs too much mana. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Cait is still pretty strong. She sits in the back and goes pew pew pew. I think she has one of the best put-together kits in the game-- a character who can stay far away (W/E) and do damage from afar. Leona needs coordination to work. Blitz is weaker than Thresh. Thresh does more damage, his CC is "better" (IMO) and scales for free. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 20 2013 07:20 eParadox wrote: Wardens mail is still strong because they didn't nerf it where it had to be nerfed, it's not the fact that it slows, its the fact that it has a 100% chance to slow when hit. Disagree. It was incredibly strong in S2 as well, but everyone was so addicted to getting HoG as the first part of their Randuins, that nobody really noticed. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On March 20 2013 07:49 sylverfyre wrote: Disagree. It was incredibly strong in S2 as well, but everyone was so addicted to getting HoG as the first part of their Randuins, that nobody really noticed. S2 warden's mail also had that bug where it was applying the slow to the base attack speed, instead of the total attack speed (like how S3 warden's and every other AS slow in the game works) | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
Also wtf is going on with Riot switching mana and health pots like every other patch. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On March 20 2013 07:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: hes not very weak.. very weak was probably not the best way to describe his current state, probably just very safe, it's very hard to actually dominate Lane with him and I don't think he outtrades any of the current popular ads like cait, Draven, mf. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:03 Serelitz wrote: So much discussion going on, I feel like I should slightly derail the thread again towards 'quinn strategies' into 'quinn is bad' into quinn buffs. It's a foolproof plan really. Also wtf is going on with Riot switching mana and health pots like every other patch. I was confused by that too. I almost bought a mana pot by accident. | ||
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samthesaluki
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