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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 19 2013 18:59 GMT
#221
What are better Scaling Mana Regen runes or Flat ones?
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 19 2013 19:05 GMT
#222
Depends on champ, matchup, gameplan.

Also, that should really go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397874
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 19 2013 19:16 GMT
#223
On March 20 2013 03:59 Zhiroo wrote:
What are better Scaling Mana Regen runes or Flat ones?


Or scaling health.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 19 2013 19:18 GMT
#224
On March 20 2013 04:05 TheYango wrote:
Depends on champ, matchup, gameplan.

Also, that should really go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397874


Oh thanks. I didn't know that topic existed. :$
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 19 2013 19:33 GMT
#225
I lost something like 14 games in a row recently. Towards the end of the streak I was getting scores like 3/0/4 before team fights, but other lanes fed too much. You can definitely still be playing well despite losing repeatedly. It comes down to just getting lucky or unlucky. Over time you'll generally approach 50% but there is always the tilt and team factor
Porouscloud - NA LoL
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 19 2013 19:38 GMT
#226
On March 20 2013 04:33 Amui wrote:
I lost something like 14 games in a row recently. Towards the end of the streak I was getting scores like 3/0/4 before team fights, but other lanes fed too much. You can definitely still be playing well despite losing repeatedly. It comes down to just getting lucky or unlucky. Over time you'll generally approach 50% but there is always the tilt and team factor

Meanwhile you think to yourself "I just... need my... win of the day. THEN I'M DONE WITH THIS GAME FOREVER >.<".
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 19:40:12
March 19 2013 19:40 GMT
#227
On March 20 2013 04:33 Amui wrote:
I lost something like 14 games in a row recently. Towards the end of the streak I was getting scores like 3/0/4 before team fights, but other lanes fed too much. You can definitely still be playing well despite losing repeatedly. It comes down to just getting lucky or unlucky. Over time you'll generally approach 50% but there is always the tilt and team factor


pretty sure you didn't play all too well in the beginning of the lossstreak though? Because I don't think more than 10games of playing solid and only losing cause feeding/trolling/afk/dc teammates is pretty unrealistic.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 19 2013 19:43 GMT
#228
I'm aware many people here are Redditors, but here: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1alp9r/karma_relaunch_ama/
It's your boy Guzma!
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
March 19 2013 19:48 GMT
#229
5 very overrated champions according to current statistics:

1. lee sin: everyone loves him, since he has such a fun kit and he was one of the most stable junglers for a long time. he didn't have any weaknesses until riot nerfed basicly everything that made him viable lategame. with mao, voli, xin there are junglers who gank just as well but have much stronger lategame potential as initiators and with vi and hecarim you have high dps carry junglers who don't lack in clearing time and gank decently.

2. caitlyn: I think ppl like her because she is easy to play during the laning phase. What alot of players don't realize is that she actually has to snowball her early advantage to be as useful as other ad carries. she is probably the worst scaling ad carry in the game with her only steroid literally being her range which other ad carries can also provide, while cait lacks that extra something. ppl take it too easy with her and don't play her aggressive enough to keep up or carry with her.

3. ezreal players have to figure out where he stands now. he was kind of the carry who did everything a bit too well for a long time. He doesn't seem to be overnerfed but rather picked too often and probably too often by players who don't play ad carry that well in general.

4. the leona players i see aren't aware of the following two things: you need very good timing to abuse her skillset and you need to be a good teamfighter with her. she is not like taric who can litterally choose to stun a target reliably even though she has more CC than him. She also has to time her skills right to actually deal all that damage that makes her so scary. Her all-in is scary as hell but not if you don't know when to do it. patience is just as important as not hesitating at the right moment with her. All that finesse is asked from players who basicly don't want to support anyways. hf

5. blitz is super mega annoying and his hook is a game winning move. his laneing is terribly overrated though. I've seen enough ad carries dodgeing and baiting the shit out of blitz hooks during the laneing phase. blitz is a fine champ but you need to be an expert to play him well, since ppl are used to him at this point. The fact that ppl are not scared anymore makes puts alot of pressure on the blitz player.

What do all of those champions have in common? I'd say mostly the fact that they are all picked by players who don't actually enjoy and or play the champions role. The experts make those champions look good, and in the support section theres that "i don't want to support so I pick something that doesn't resemble one"-problem.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 19:54:47
March 19 2013 19:51 GMT
#230
Going to be having the NA cast today. SKT1 vs iG and Najin Sword vs MvP.Ozone!

Check out the Reddit thread if you have some time!
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1am2tz/in_just_two_hours_the_gigabyte_starswar_na_cast/
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
March 19 2013 19:53 GMT
#231
On March 20 2013 03:59 Zhiroo wrote:
What are better Scaling Mana Regen runes or Flat ones?


Flat mana regen runes are for when u need the extra mana for harass poke early game. For matchups that u really want to be aggressive. Scaling mana regen runes match the flat ones at about lvl 6-7 and provide you with much more regen late game. It all depends on the match up. If you are against someone who will be trading with you often early game then you may want to use flat mana regen to ensure you have mana to be able to trade. If it is someone who is going to play passive that you can't harass down out of lane/kill then scaling might be the better option. I use flat on mids like cassiopeia. I use scaling on most of my other mids. With the new season changes however most people have been going with either armor seals or HP/LVL seals since you can start with the mana regen pendant or a flask. It's all personal preference and situational.
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 19 2013 19:54 GMT
#232
cait's headshot is a steroid
not as good as others but it still is one
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 20:00:45
March 19 2013 19:59 GMT
#233
On March 20 2013 04:48 clickrush wrote:
5 very overrated champions according to current statistics:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. lee sin: everyone loves him, since he has such a fun kit and he was one of the most stable junglers for a long time. he didn't have any weaknesses until riot nerfed basicly everything that made him viable lategame. with mao, voli, xin there are junglers who gank just as well but have much stronger lategame potential as initiators and with vi and hecarim you have high dps carry junglers who don't lack in clearing time and gank decently.

2. caitlyn: I think ppl like her because she is easy to play during the laning phase. What alot of players don't realize is that she actually has to snowball her early advantage to be as useful as other ad carries. she is probably the worst scaling ad carry in the game with her only steroid literally being her range which other ad carries can also provide, while cait lacks that extra something. ppl take it too easy with her and don't play her aggressive enough to keep up or carry with her.

3. ezreal players have to figure out where he stands now. he was kind of the carry who did everything a bit too well for a long time. He doesn't seem to be overnerfed but rather picked too often and probably too often by players who don't play ad carry that well in general.

4. the leona players i see aren't aware of the following two things: you need very good timing to abuse her skillset and you need to be a good teamfighter with her. she is not like taric who can litterally choose to stun a target reliably even though she has more CC than him. She also has to time her skills right to actually deal all that damage that makes her so scary. Her all-in is scary as hell but not if you don't know when to do it. patience is just as important as not hesitating at the right moment with her. All that finesse is asked from players who basicly don't want to support anyways. hf

5. blitz is super mega annoying and his hook is a game winning move. his laneing is terribly overrated though. I've seen enough ad carries dodgeing and baiting the shit out of blitz hooks during the laneing phase. blitz is a fine champ but you need to be an expert to play him well, since ppl are used to him at this point. The fact that ppl are not scared anymore makes puts alot of pressure on the blitz player.

What do all of those champions have in common? I'd say mostly the fact that they are all picked by players who don't actually enjoy and or play the champions role. The experts make those champions look good, and in the support section theres that "i don't want to support so I pick something that doesn't resemble one"-problem.


I thought everyone on TL already agreed that Ez and Lee are overnerfed? and you are just straight up wrong about Caitlyn. Blitz I agree, and Leona?? most people think she is good, but I don't know anyone who thinks she is top tier, which would make her "correctly judged".
Carrilord has arrived.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 19 2013 20:14 GMT
#234
On March 20 2013 03:54 thenexusp wrote:
Whee more lore!
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3240298

What if this is the lead up to an Iona vs Noxus hmmm?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 19 2013 20:26 GMT
#235
Ez wasn't really overnerfed.He never was that strong.People just started playing tank comps recently .When have people thought cait does dmg?She is just the safest ad in lane with a lot of pushing.IF she actually did dmg then she would be an easy champion but unless you go full dmg a lot of champs can just ignore you completely.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#236
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 19 2013 20:34 GMT
#237
On March 20 2013 05:30 krndandaman wrote:
anyone know if the patches/zac was implemented yet?


It is.I just noticed my e didn't give armor as jarman today .
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 20:37:05
March 19 2013 20:36 GMT
#238
On March 20 2013 05:26 nafta wrote:
Ez wasn't really overnerfed.He never was that strong.People just started playing tank comps recently .When have people thought cait does dmg?She is just the safest ad in lane with a lot of pushing.IF she actually did dmg then she would be an easy champion but unless you go full dmg a lot of champs can just ignore you completely.


even by your own definition of him "never being that strong" he was nerfed any nerf to a champion who "isn't that strong" is an overnerf no?

I'm not sure what part of the game you are talking about but there is definatly a point where "can ignore completely" ceases to exist in regards to any ad carry.
Carrilord has arrived.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 19 2013 20:39 GMT
#239
On March 20 2013 05:36 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 05:26 nafta wrote:
Ez wasn't really overnerfed.He never was that strong.People just started playing tank comps recently .When have people thought cait does dmg?She is just the safest ad in lane with a lot of pushing.IF she actually did dmg then she would be an easy champion but unless you go full dmg a lot of champs can just ignore you completely.


even by your own definition of him "never being that strong" he was nerfed any nerf to a champion who "isn't that strong" is an overnerf no?

I'm not sure what part of the game you are talking about but there is definatly a point where "can ignore completely" ceases to exist in regards to an ad carry.


Before you get 4 damage items.The only BIG ez nerf was the w.Everything else didn't really matter much imo.Well obviously not ignore completely but unless you are 1 item ahead of their tanks/bruisers you really shouldn't do dmg for the entire mid game as cait.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 19 2013 20:41 GMT
#240
On March 20 2013 05:14 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 03:54 thenexusp wrote:
Whee more lore!
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3240298

What if this is the lead up to an Iona vs Noxus hmmm?


Speaking of that, is there anyone here who would trade CDR boots for that spellvamp Doran's item? Just curious.
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