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Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 12:21:14
March 03 2013 12:14 GMT
#581
On March 03 2013 19:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
try bruta+stinger+BoL on Quinn, super fun. Really good damage and super early 40% CDR with masteries which lets you bully the shit out of people in skirmishes. Plus it gets her ult up frequently so you can roam in birdform and dunk or counterdunk people.

From there build a Botrk, finish a zephyr and either a yommus if there's a lot of potential for assassinating squishies or black cleaver against tanky/bruiser teams.

Going bird mode, popping yommus and brok and sticking to an ezreal through arcane shift AND flash brought a tear to my eye... dat 700 movespeed...


BoL?
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 03 2013 12:18 GMT
#582
Trist with BotRK is a beast
KCCO!
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
March 03 2013 12:21 GMT
#583
On March 03 2013 21:14 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 19:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
try bruta+stinger+BoL on Quinn, super fun. Really good damage and super early 40% CDR with masteries which lets you bully the shit out of people in skirmishes. Plus it gets her ult up frequently so you can roam in birdform and dunk or counterdunk people.

From there build a Botrk, finish a zephyr and either a yommus if there's a lot of potential for assassinating squishies or black cleaver against tanky/bruiser teams.

Going bird mode, popping yommus and brok and sticking to an ezreal through arcane shift AND flash brought a tear to my eye... dat 700 movespeed...


BoL?

Shoes of CDR.
"My spoon is too big."
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
March 03 2013 12:22 GMT
#584
On March 03 2013 21:21 Antyee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 21:14 Serelitz wrote:
On March 03 2013 19:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
try bruta+stinger+BoL on Quinn, super fun. Really good damage and super early 40% CDR with masteries which lets you bully the shit out of people in skirmishes. Plus it gets her ult up frequently so you can roam in birdform and dunk or counterdunk people.

From there build a Botrk, finish a zephyr and either a yommus if there's a lot of potential for assassinating squishies or black cleaver against tanky/bruiser teams.

Going bird mode, popping yommus and brok and sticking to an ezreal through arcane shift AND flash brought a tear to my eye... dat 700 movespeed...


BoL?

Shoes of CDR.



ahhh right. My bad.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
March 03 2013 12:25 GMT
#585
i really hope bruiser taric will be a thing, and that it turns out really broken
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
March 03 2013 12:52 GMT
#586
On March 03 2013 21:25 Badboyrune wrote:
i really hope bruiser taric will be a thing, and that it turns out really broken


I'm pretty sure it always had its niche like stuff like Karthus Jungle or w.e, just had better alternatives usually. I had a lot more fun with AP Taric before they killed his ratios though.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
March 03 2013 13:19 GMT
#587
So uhh, since when can minions attack jarvan's flag?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
March 03 2013 13:26 GMT
#588
On March 03 2013 22:19 57 Corvette wrote:
So uhh, since when can minions attack jarvan's flag?

Guess it goes hand-in-hand with the new bug where Trynd's E can kill Xerath's Q particles and get CS for it.
So I would say since the last patch.
"My spoon is too big."
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 03 2013 14:10 GMT
#589
On March 03 2013 22:26 Antyee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 22:19 57 Corvette wrote:
So uhh, since when can minions attack jarvan's flag?

Guess it goes hand-in-hand with the new bug where Trynd's E can kill Xerath's Q particles and get CS for it.
So I would say since the last patch.


It's been like that since s3 patch was on PTR I think. Don't know if they fixed it since then and then it came back now.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
March 03 2013 14:31 GMT
#590
On March 03 2013 21:12 Kontossis wrote:
Not to be too offensive, but it seems like to me that everywhere else except teamliquid that people are complaining because this BotRK is too powerful. Here, it seems like a debate that BT is better in some situations, even though high level streams has 6+ BotRKs each game.

I think that's a really good thing. If everyone is in agreement with something, then they rarely think critically about it. We usually have enough skeptics around here that it generates more useful information than 'oh, well it's just OP'.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 03 2013 15:16 GMT
#591
What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math.

Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC.

The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 03 2013 15:19 GMT
#592
On March 04 2013 00:16 Ketara wrote:
What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math.

Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC.

The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves.

The argument for Ezreal, for example, is "If you didn't rush BotRK before on Ezreal, why would you now when it's worse?"
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 03 2013 15:27 GMT
#593
On March 04 2013 00:19 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 00:16 Ketara wrote:
What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math.

Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC.

The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves.

The argument for Ezreal, for example, is "If you didn't rush BotRK before on Ezreal, why would you now when it's worse?"

That's really only counting the stats though, it's much smoother and cheaper to build for the timing you want it at, and thanks to the AS, couples nicely with a big AD item next (BT/IE/LW) in ways that it didn't before when it was just AD/LS/passive/active
It's your boy Guzma!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 03 2013 15:56 GMT
#594
On March 04 2013 00:27 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 00:19 Shikyo wrote:
On March 04 2013 00:16 Ketara wrote:
What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math.

Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC.

The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves.

The argument for Ezreal, for example, is "If you didn't rush BotRK before on Ezreal, why would you now when it's worse?"

That's really only counting the stats though, it's much smoother and cheaper to build for the timing you want it at, and thanks to the AS, couples nicely with a big AD item next (BT/IE/LW) in ways that it didn't before when it was just AD/LS/passive/active

Oh, I thought it was straight buffs. It looks like BotRK lost 15 AD.

I feel like the active got weaker early on.
150+.5AD was probably a bit better than 15%max hp until later on into the game for people who weren't stacking health.
It evens out later though, or should. Also the slow got a lot longer. I can live with that.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
March 03 2013 16:36 GMT
#595
Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.

think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.

It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 03 2013 16:46 GMT
#596
On March 04 2013 01:36 Sermokala wrote:
Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.

think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.

It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks.

Has anybody tried a more Ecentric Grave build with BotRK yet? Seems like you get to perma AS boost so much faster.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 16:47:09
March 03 2013 16:46 GMT
#597
i was experimenting a lot with old botrk because i thought the active was really good. you can chase, you can run away with it, you can life drain, it works on so many levels.

aspd makes it a superior choice.

tbh i'm not sure if the game is any less fun with it though, but i do think it needs some counterplay and i would work on that instead of nerfing botrk.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
March 03 2013 16:55 GMT
#598
On March 04 2013 01:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 01:36 Sermokala wrote:
Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.

think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.

It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks.

Has anybody tried a more Ecentric Grave build with BotRK yet? Seems like you get to perma AS boost so much faster.

Bortk doesn't give enough as for an e max always up build from experience you need a dancer first for that. Graves aa range is actualy a bit low and his base attack speed is also pretty low. I don't know who hed have even a half decent lane against.

There's a good reason why no support outside of say nidalee gives an as buff.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
March 03 2013 17:07 GMT
#599
On March 04 2013 01:55 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 01:46 Gahlo wrote:
On March 04 2013 01:36 Sermokala wrote:
Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.

think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.

It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks.

Has anybody tried a more Ecentric Grave build with BotRK yet? Seems like you get to perma AS boost so much faster.

Bortk doesn't give enough as for an e max always up build from experience you need a dancer first for that. Graves aa range is actualy a bit low and his base attack speed is also pretty low. I don't know who hed have even a half decent lane against.

There's a good reason why no support outside of say nidalee gives an as buff.

nunu? >.>
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 17:27:21
March 03 2013 17:27 GMT
#600
On March 03 2013 21:12 Kontossis wrote:
Not to be too offensive, but it seems like to me that everywhere else except teamliquid that people are complaining because this BotRK is too powerful. Here, it seems like a debate that BT is better in some situations, even though high level streams has 6+ BotRKs each game.

The "appeal to authority" argument isn't very good when it's NA we're talking about, since NA has a history of responding most fiercely to FotMs while also missing out on things that are actually OP. And in general, "high level" play on NA is weaker than "high level" play on the other regions.
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