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On March 03 2013 19:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
try bruta+stinger+BoL on Quinn, super fun. Really good damage and super early 40% CDR with masteries which lets you bully the shit out of people in skirmishes. Plus it gets her ult up frequently so you can roam in birdform and dunk or counterdunk people.
From there build a Botrk, finish a zephyr and either a yommus if there's a lot of potential for assassinating squishies or black cleaver against tanky/bruiser teams.
Going bird mode, popping yommus and brok and sticking to an ezreal through arcane shift AND flash brought a tear to my eye... dat 700 movespeed...
BoL?
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Trist with BotRK is a beast
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On March 03 2013 21:14 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 19:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
try bruta+stinger+BoL on Quinn, super fun. Really good damage and super early 40% CDR with masteries which lets you bully the shit out of people in skirmishes. Plus it gets her ult up frequently so you can roam in birdform and dunk or counterdunk people.
From there build a Botrk, finish a zephyr and either a yommus if there's a lot of potential for assassinating squishies or black cleaver against tanky/bruiser teams.
Going bird mode, popping yommus and brok and sticking to an ezreal through arcane shift AND flash brought a tear to my eye... dat 700 movespeed... BoL?
Shoes of CDR.
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On March 03 2013 21:21 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 21:14 Serelitz wrote:On March 03 2013 19:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
try bruta+stinger+BoL on Quinn, super fun. Really good damage and super early 40% CDR with masteries which lets you bully the shit out of people in skirmishes. Plus it gets her ult up frequently so you can roam in birdform and dunk or counterdunk people.
From there build a Botrk, finish a zephyr and either a yommus if there's a lot of potential for assassinating squishies or black cleaver against tanky/bruiser teams.
Going bird mode, popping yommus and brok and sticking to an ezreal through arcane shift AND flash brought a tear to my eye... dat 700 movespeed... BoL? Shoes of CDR.
ahhh right. My bad.
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i really hope bruiser taric will be a thing, and that it turns out really broken
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On March 03 2013 21:25 Badboyrune wrote:
i really hope bruiser taric will be a thing, and that it turns out really broken
I'm pretty sure it always had its niche like stuff like Karthus Jungle or w.e, just had better alternatives usually. I had a lot more fun with AP Taric before they killed his ratios though.
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So uhh, since when can minions attack jarvan's flag?
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On March 03 2013 22:19 57 Corvette wrote:
So uhh, since when can minions attack jarvan's flag?
Guess it goes hand-in-hand with the new bug where Trynd's E can kill Xerath's Q particles and get CS for it.
So I would say since the last patch.
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On March 03 2013 22:26 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 22:19 57 Corvette wrote:
So uhh, since when can minions attack jarvan's flag? Guess it goes hand-in-hand with the new bug where Trynd's E can kill Xerath's Q particles and get CS for it. So I would say since the last patch.
It's been like that since s3 patch was on PTR I think. Don't know if they fixed it since then and then it came back now.
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On March 03 2013 21:12 Kontossis wrote:
Not to be too offensive, but it seems like to me that everywhere else except teamliquid that people are complaining because this BotRK is too powerful. Here, it seems like a debate that BT is better in some situations, even though high level streams has 6+ BotRKs each game.
I think that's a really good thing. If everyone is in agreement with something, then they rarely think critically about it. We usually have enough skeptics around here that it generates more useful information than 'oh, well it's just OP'.
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What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math.
Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC.
The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves.
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On March 04 2013 00:16 Ketara wrote:
What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math.
Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC.
The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves.
The argument for Ezreal, for example, is "If you didn't rush BotRK before on Ezreal, why would you now when it's worse?"
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On March 04 2013 00:19 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 00:16 Ketara wrote:
What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math.
Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC.
The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves. The argument for Ezreal, for example, is "If you didn't rush BotRK before on Ezreal, why would you now when it's worse?"
That's really only counting the stats though, it's much smoother and cheaper to build for the timing you want it at, and thanks to the AS, couples nicely with a big AD item next (BT/IE/LW) in ways that it didn't before when it was just AD/LS/passive/active
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On March 04 2013 00:27 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 00:19 Shikyo wrote:On March 04 2013 00:16 Ketara wrote:
What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math.
Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC.
The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves. The argument for Ezreal, for example, is "If you didn't rush BotRK before on Ezreal, why would you now when it's worse?" That's really only counting the stats though, it's much smoother and cheaper to build for the timing you want it at, and thanks to the AS, couples nicely with a big AD item next (BT/IE/LW) in ways that it didn't before when it was just AD/LS/passive/active
Oh, I thought it was straight buffs. It looks like BotRK lost 15 AD.
I feel like the active got weaker early on.
150+.5AD was probably a bit better than 15%max hp until later on into the game for people who weren't stacking health.
It evens out later though, or should. Also the slow got a lot longer. I can live with that.
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Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.
think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.
It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks.
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On March 04 2013 01:36 Sermokala wrote:
Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.
think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.
It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks.
Has anybody tried a more Ecentric Grave build with BotRK yet? Seems like you get to perma AS boost so much faster.
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i was experimenting a lot with old botrk because i thought the active was really good. you can chase, you can run away with it, you can life drain, it works on so many levels.
aspd makes it a superior choice.
tbh i'm not sure if the game is any less fun with it though, but i do think it needs some counterplay and i would work on that instead of nerfing botrk.
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On March 04 2013 01:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 01:36 Sermokala wrote:
Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.
think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.
It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks. Has anybody tried a more Ecentric Grave build with BotRK yet? Seems like you get to perma AS boost so much faster.
Bortk doesn't give enough as for an e max always up build from experience you need a dancer first for that. Graves aa range is actualy a bit low and his base attack speed is also pretty low. I don't know who hed have even a half decent lane against.
There's a good reason why no support outside of say nidalee gives an as buff.
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On March 04 2013 01:55 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 01:46 Gahlo wrote:On March 04 2013 01:36 Sermokala wrote:
Its not really a math thing that makes bt better then bortk its a ay style thing much like how a lot of people knew that bt was better then bc for some assasins.
think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low.
It adds another layer to builds on champs that I like where bt is better for fighting assasins while bortk is better for fighting tanks. Has anybody tried a more Ecentric Grave build with BotRK yet? Seems like you get to perma AS boost so much faster. Bortk doesn't give enough as for an e max always up build from experience you need a dancer first for that. Graves aa range is actualy a bit low and his base attack speed is also pretty low. I don't know who hed have even a half decent lane against. There's a good reason why no support outside of say nidalee gives an as buff.
nunu? >.>
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On March 03 2013 21:12 Kontossis wrote:
Not to be too offensive, but it seems like to me that everywhere else except teamliquid that people are complaining because this BotRK is too powerful. Here, it seems like a debate that BT is better in some situations, even though high level streams has 6+ BotRKs each game.
The "appeal to authority" argument isn't very good when it's NA we're talking about, since NA has a history of responding most fiercely to FotMs while also missing out on things that are actually OP. And in general, "high level" play on NA is weaker than "high level" play on the other regions.
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