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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 17 2013 04:41 GMT
#3321
I've just pinned down how bad the Olaf nerfs were. He's arguably one of the most fun and dynamic champs in league, everyone knows how to play him because he was so strong, he's incredibly versatile, and even now isn't being picked for niche comps even.

Thats the definition of overnerfed.
Freeeeeeedom
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 17 2013 04:42 GMT
#3322
+ Show Spoiler +

>_> I am a sucker for Kanno what can I say..

Anyway, I have no idea why people enjoy ARAM. Friends always want to play it and I always don't. I just don't see the appeal. What's the friggin deal with it?!
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
March 17 2013 04:42 GMT
#3323
Dynamic?

You press r and tunnel something while the enemy can't do anything.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 17 2013 04:57 GMT
#3324
On March 17 2013 13:42 Parnage wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_49H_N43jQ

>_> I am a sucker for Kanno what can I say..

Anyway, I have no idea why people enjoy ARAM. Friends always want to play it and I always don't. I just don't see the appeal. What's the friggin deal with it?!

I mean it's just a fun carefree game that's a nice distraction when my friends don't want to play SR games. I guess I never play it alone now that you mention it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
March 17 2013 05:08 GMT
#3325
I've just pinned down how bad the Olaf nerfs were. He's arguably one of the most fun and dynamic champs in league, everyone knows how to play him because he was so strong, he's incredibly versatile, and even now isn't being picked for niche comps even.


I think it comes from the fact he was a barely competent 1v2 laner before the nerfs, really needed blue buff to stay alright and didn't have any tools to survive or counter pressure during early lane dunk attempts. Now comp top laners are pretty exclusively picked from a pool of stronger 1v2 laners. I think olaf would still definitely be in contention if the meta wasn't so firmly swinging towards the 1v2 as standard in pro team play.

The new botrk didn't help much either, the active reaaaaally makes olaf's old ghost into rush ADC significantly less successful, since the heal against him is massive and the movespeed reversal is also stupidly strong.
Poisonous Sheep counter Hydras
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 17 2013 05:21 GMT
#3326
Drinking with tiza and chobra, want me to ask them anything?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
March 17 2013 05:37 GMT
#3327
tell chobra I said hi
washed
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
March 17 2013 06:02 GMT
#3328
tell tiza WHERES MY RP
GANDHISAUCE
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 17 2013 06:03 GMT
#3329
On March 17 2013 09:30 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:19 Goumindong wrote:
On March 16 2013 14:13 Alaric wrote:
They have health costs, but RoG doesn't have updated them yet (they could since they have preview videos, but I don't know if they edit their datamining accordingly or just keep it at what's in the files). Didn't seem as impactful as Mundo's W from the video, though.

Edit: nvm, they just did it. Apparently he's paying in %current health, which means resistances are probably going to be better on him than HP, actually (especially since the bloblets from his passive only have 10% of his max HP but half of his resistances), and his ult seems to be frree (reminds me of the energy champs). His E would be pretty costly, at 12% current health. Along with the pretty long CD I'm not sure if he's going to be better than Lee/J4/Vi at sneaky ganks, but he has a ganking kit anyway.


If you're paying in % current health then resistances over health change neither the effective HP regen or the effective HP cost of skills. Such you should but whichever provides the highest effective HP bonus (which is, in this case, health)

I meant that flat health would give incentive to build HP, while %HP doesn't go one way or the other. His passive, on the other hand, keeps higher resistances % than HP % on the bloblets, so resistances should be prioritised, I believe.


Still irrelevant on the blobs. The same amount of %EHP from resistances/health will produce the same amount of %EHP on the blobs, since they 10% of his health. That is the glory of %'s.

So you build the thing that gives you the most EHP, which is health
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 17 2013 07:21 GMT
#3330
On March 17 2013 15:03 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:30 Alaric wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:19 Goumindong wrote:
On March 16 2013 14:13 Alaric wrote:
They have health costs, but RoG doesn't have updated them yet (they could since they have preview videos, but I don't know if they edit their datamining accordingly or just keep it at what's in the files). Didn't seem as impactful as Mundo's W from the video, though.

Edit: nvm, they just did it. Apparently he's paying in %current health, which means resistances are probably going to be better on him than HP, actually (especially since the bloblets from his passive only have 10% of his max HP but half of his resistances), and his ult seems to be frree (reminds me of the energy champs). His E would be pretty costly, at 12% current health. Along with the pretty long CD I'm not sure if he's going to be better than Lee/J4/Vi at sneaky ganks, but he has a ganking kit anyway.


If you're paying in % current health then resistances over health change neither the effective HP regen or the effective HP cost of skills. Such you should but whichever provides the highest effective HP bonus (which is, in this case, health)

I meant that flat health would give incentive to build HP, while %HP doesn't go one way or the other. His passive, on the other hand, keeps higher resistances % than HP % on the bloblets, so resistances should be prioritised, I believe.


Still irrelevant on the blobs. The same amount of %EHP from resistances/health will produce the same amount of %EHP on the blobs, since they 10% of his health. That is the glory of %'s.

So you build the thing that gives you the most EHP, which is health

What provide more EHP depends on what your HP and resists are at.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 17 2013 07:24 GMT
#3331
On March 17 2013 14:08 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
I've just pinned down how bad the Olaf nerfs were. He's arguably one of the most fun and dynamic champs in league, everyone knows how to play him because he was so strong, he's incredibly versatile, and even now isn't being picked for niche comps even.


I think it comes from the fact he was a barely competent 1v2 laner before the nerfs, really needed blue buff to stay alright and didn't have any tools to survive or counter pressure during early lane dunk attempts. Now comp top laners are pretty exclusively picked from a pool of stronger 1v2 laners. I think olaf would still definitely be in contention if the meta wasn't so firmly swinging towards the 1v2 as standard in pro team play.

The new botrk didn't help much either, the active reaaaaally makes olaf's old ghost into rush ADC significantly less successful, since the heal against him is massive and the movespeed reversal is also stupidly strong.


I dont know. I think it depends what you are hoping to accomplish with your 1v2. I Think Olaf is still decent at holding towers and surviving dives. However, to do that he has to give up CS in a way that, say, Elise, does not.

I mean, Olaf is a better 1v2 than Singed, but Singed is getting his nerfs soon (to his damage) whereas Olaf has already gotten damage nerfs. Also singed hasn't had the CC nerfs that Olaf has gotten so he can still do his thing.
Freeeeeeedom
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 08:11:59
March 17 2013 08:11 GMT
#3332
Olaf definitely got overnerfed. He went from ~50% winrate and ~20% pickrate to 40% &4%. He was 40% even when right after the nerfs, when he still had a 10% pickrate or so.

Basically he doesn't do anything well now. Elise, renekton bully lanes far harder than he does. He's much more easily ganked as well pre-6 because of his reliance on ghost and no hard CC. His axe almost doesn't count as a CC any more, lost THIRTY arpen whenever his ult isn't up at max level, and had his sustain nerfed. He didn't actually sustain that much in comparison to champions like renekton and elise, and he puts himself much more at risk to do it because to gain back health at a good rate he has to sit there and auto(axe spamming is AoE and is much less effective).
Porouscloud - NA LoL
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 08:31:40
March 17 2013 08:30 GMT
#3333
On March 17 2013 17:11 Amui wrote:
Olaf definitely got overnerfed. He went from ~50% winrate and ~20% pickrate to 40% &4%. He was 40% even when right after the nerfs, when he still had a 10% pickrate or so.

Basically he doesn't do anything well now. Elise, renekton bully lanes far harder than he does. He's much more easily ganked as well pre-6 because of his reliance on ghost and no hard CC. His axe almost doesn't count as a CC any more, lost THIRTY arpen whenever his ult isn't up at max level, and had his sustain nerfed. He didn't actually sustain that much in comparison to champions like renekton and elise, and he puts himself much more at risk to do it because to gain back health at a good rate he has to sit there and auto(axe spamming is AoE and is much less effective).


He lost more flat armor pen then people ever build. (Equivalent to black cleaver + ghostblade of flat pen...)

That's huge, that's massive, that's absurd. The flat arp was what made his axes actually hurt, even vs bruisers who have armor, and especially vs ad carries without armor, and what made him a threat.

Hitting him in pretty much every ability at the same time just killed him, for no real reason.

Also, nerfing hp stacking hit him as well, as he likes building hp over resists.

He just isn't strong enough to pick anymore, which is a shame.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 09:43:47
March 17 2013 09:09 GMT
#3334
On March 16 2013 19:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
ok guys, wanna confirm something.

know how you can turn in last few moments of skarner's ult to get extra distance? does the same thing work for shen's ult? phrased differently, does shen's ult always make shen appear on the target's back?


bump

EDIT: nvm fuck u guys. CONFIRMED
cool beans
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
March 17 2013 09:53 GMT
#3335
Olaf was OP as fuck but it's true that now he's not played anymore, maybe some buffs incoming ? Please..
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 17 2013 13:23 GMT
#3336
On March 17 2013 18:09 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 19:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
ok guys, wanna confirm something.

know how you can turn in last few moments of skarner's ult to get extra distance? does the same thing work for shen's ult? phrased differently, does shen's ult always make shen appear on the target's back?


bump

EDIT: nvm fuck u guys. CONFIRMED


glad we could help
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
March 17 2013 13:52 GMT
#3337
On March 17 2013 13:42 Parnage wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_49H_N43jQ

>_> I am a sucker for Kanno what can I say..

Anyway, I have no idea why people enjoy ARAM. Friends always want to play it and I always don't. I just don't see the appeal. What's the friggin deal with it?!


Oh ok. Yeah that was Badministrator.
+ Show Spoiler +



As for ARAM, Basically it is a mode that lets you go full retard/have fun without having to worry about a lot of rage/reports.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 15:16:02
March 17 2013 14:29 GMT
#3338
On March 17 2013 22:52 57 Corvette wrote:

As for ARAM, Basically it is a mode that lets you go full retard/have fun without having to worry about a lot of rage/reports.


And still there are enough guys who manage to be a flaming asshole and deserve reports xD

P.D: wow flaming asshole is certainly a painful idea to think about o.o
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 17 2013 16:13 GMT
#3339
Guys just to let you know, this is the beginning of the voting for the playoffs of AHGL and the So you think you can Cast contest. You have to create an account and login to the ahgl site to vote!!
http://afterhoursgaming.tv/league-legends-season-3-a-league/casters/
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
March 17 2013 16:38 GMT
#3340
I'm streaming again, don't want to spam the GD thread with stream links though. Check my stream topic in the LoL section or the previous page.
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