[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 168

On March 17 2013 23:29 Usagi wrote:


And still there are enough guys who manage to be a flaming asshole and deserve reports xD

P.D: wow flaming asshole is certainly a painful idea to think about o.o

On March 18 2013 02:41 BlackPaladin wrote:


Have you never eaten mexican food?
But yeah I dunno why but there are a lot of aram players who only play to win and get so mad when you're trolling around with AP rammus. Just have some fun, this isn't some tourny, yo. Most people I've met had the good attitute of "just have fun" but you sometimes get one negative nancy complaining about something.

And i'm still sad riot destroyed olaf. :/ been years and they still haven't learned.

On March 18 2013 03:06 c.Deadly wrote:


I think riot was doing an okay job of being light on the nerfs around the end of season 2. But they have started absolutely gutting champions in season 3. Rengar, Diana, Katarina, Ezreal, Olaf, Shaco, Evelynn, Lee Sin - and now it looks like they're about to do some work on Hecarim, Taric, Elise, and Singed.

I wish they would leave the strong elements of the champions that are considered "OP" and let some counterplay develop around it.

On March 18 2013 03:06 c.Deadly wrote:


I think riot was doing an okay job of being light on the nerfs around the end of season 2. But they have started absolutely gutting champions in season 3. Rengar, Diana, Katarina, Ezreal, Olaf, Shaco, Evelynn, Lee Sin - and now it looks like they're about to do some work on Hecarim, Taric, Elise, and Singed.

I wish they would leave the strong elements of the champions that are considered "OP" and let some counterplay develop around it.

On March 18 2013 03:19 Parnage wrote:


Half of the champions you mentioned are still perfectly fine just people stopped playing them because they got nerfed from being stupidly strong.

On March 18 2013 03:30 c.Deadly wrote:


What does "perfectly fine" even mean? None of them are as strong as other alternatives, that's why competitive players have abandoned them, with the exception of Diana who was rebuffed after the nerfs.

On March 18 2013 03:46 Parnage wrote:
Ezreal's still a often picked champion in pro play as well. Rengar is getting changes as I recall, Shaco is shaco..he's unlikely to ever see pro play but he's never really seen pro play at least in NA with a few exceptions.

Strong alternatives is just the polite way of saying the new stupidly strong. People wanting to play what they believe to be the best champions to win is nothing new. Of course I'd put my money on the vet Ezreal player over the bandwagon Tristana or Varus guy.

On March 18 2013 04:15 c.Deadly wrote:


Ezreal went from an ubiquitously picked ADC to one that's seen in maybe 10% of pro games, and mostly from aAa and Wolves, and he doesn't have much success. Same with Katarina, I only see her from fnatic and Curse. Obviously the rest of them that were competitive picks have dropped off the map, with the exception of Eve in Korea I just learned.

Even if a champ is still being picked in a small number of games, going from a certain pick to a noteworthy one in just one or two patches is really indicative of an overnerf. And the new stupidly strong champions aren't ones that have been overbuffed recently, they were always lurking just behind the old stupidly strong champions that riot overnerfed. We get stuck in this cycle of nerfs where there's a constant changing of the guard, with a few pro players or teams staying one step ahead of the curve (Xin Zhao and now Voli from Gambit, or Kayle and recently Zed from Korean teams).

I just don't like this nerfing philosophy from Riot, I think keeping things relatively more stable will add a lot more to the pro scene and give some more weight to the moments when teams bust out a completely new champion or strategy.

On March 18 2013 04:18 samthesaluki wrote:
have a feeling i shoulda dodged this game about to start

enemy has mummy akali malph mf and ali the aoe and cc is ridic

we have khazix swain vi graves taric

On March 18 2013 04:59 samthesaluki wrote:


wellwe would won if we didnt have a mid that went 0-10 vs akali as swain such a joke and other team think there good cause they snowball off him 8-1 khazix not strong enough vs mass fed aoe cc

On March 18 2013 04:33 upperbound wrote:

What's a proper nerf then? Why should everyone be able to pick and play a champ as opposed to people that are actually good with the champ? To me, no champ should be "ubiquitous" in the sense that every team plays them -- only in the sense that the best players with that champ should be able to play them.

No champ should be at a point where they're a 90% pick/ban like Ez was. If they go back to being a 10-15% pick/ban, that's not an overnerf, that's completely average and actually ideal.