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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 17 2013 16:51 GMT
#3341
Taking away Arpen made it so Olaf was basically ignorable (albeit unkillable for the duration of his ult). I'd like to see them give him back maybe some %Arpen on it, maybe like 6/12/18 or something.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 17:54:44
March 17 2013 17:41 GMT
#3342
On March 17 2013 23:29 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 22:52 57 Corvette wrote:

As for ARAM, Basically it is a mode that lets you go full retard/have fun without having to worry about a lot of rage/reports.


And still there are enough guys who manage to be a flaming asshole and deserve reports xD

P.D: wow flaming asshole is certainly a painful idea to think about o.o


Have you never eaten mexican food?
But yeah I dunno why but there are a lot of aram players who only play to win and get so mad when you're trolling around with AP rammus. Just have some fun, this isn't some tourny, yo. Most people I've met had the good attitute of "just have fun" but you sometimes get one negative nancy complaining about something.

And i'm still sad riot destroyed olaf. :/ been years and they still haven't learned.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
March 17 2013 18:06 GMT
#3343
On March 18 2013 02:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 23:29 Usagi wrote:
On March 17 2013 22:52 57 Corvette wrote:

As for ARAM, Basically it is a mode that lets you go full retard/have fun without having to worry about a lot of rage/reports.


And still there are enough guys who manage to be a flaming asshole and deserve reports xD

P.D: wow flaming asshole is certainly a painful idea to think about o.o


Have you never eaten mexican food?
But yeah I dunno why but there are a lot of aram players who only play to win and get so mad when you're trolling around with AP rammus. Just have some fun, this isn't some tourny, yo. Most people I've met had the good attitute of "just have fun" but you sometimes get one negative nancy complaining about something.

And i'm still sad riot destroyed olaf. :/ been years and they still haven't learned.


I think riot was doing an okay job of being light on the nerfs around the end of season 2. But they have started absolutely gutting champions in season 3. Rengar, Diana, Katarina, Ezreal, Olaf, Shaco, Evelynn, Lee Sin - and now it looks like they're about to do some work on Hecarim, Taric, Elise, and Singed.

I wish they would leave the strong elements of the champions that are considered "OP" and let some counterplay develop around it.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
March 17 2013 18:14 GMT
#3344
On March 18 2013 03:06 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 17 2013 23:29 Usagi wrote:
On March 17 2013 22:52 57 Corvette wrote:

As for ARAM, Basically it is a mode that lets you go full retard/have fun without having to worry about a lot of rage/reports.


And still there are enough guys who manage to be a flaming asshole and deserve reports xD

P.D: wow flaming asshole is certainly a painful idea to think about o.o


Have you never eaten mexican food?
But yeah I dunno why but there are a lot of aram players who only play to win and get so mad when you're trolling around with AP rammus. Just have some fun, this isn't some tourny, yo. Most people I've met had the good attitute of "just have fun" but you sometimes get one negative nancy complaining about something.

And i'm still sad riot destroyed olaf. :/ been years and they still haven't learned.


I think riot was doing an okay job of being light on the nerfs around the end of season 2. But they have started absolutely gutting champions in season 3. Rengar, Diana, Katarina, Ezreal, Olaf, Shaco, Evelynn, Lee Sin - and now it looks like they're about to do some work on Hecarim, Taric, Elise, and Singed.

I wish they would leave the strong elements of the champions that are considered "OP" and let some counterplay develop around it.


Diana is in a good spot imo, that small "buff" she got after her last nerf was what she needed. Ezreal will always be relevant as long as tons of gap closers prevail and his Q/E dont get touched (or trueshot barrage getting gutted). Eve is definitely competitive atm imo, it's just that NA just tossed her away after the nerfs.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 17 2013 18:19 GMT
#3345
On March 18 2013 03:06 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 17 2013 23:29 Usagi wrote:
On March 17 2013 22:52 57 Corvette wrote:

As for ARAM, Basically it is a mode that lets you go full retard/have fun without having to worry about a lot of rage/reports.


And still there are enough guys who manage to be a flaming asshole and deserve reports xD

P.D: wow flaming asshole is certainly a painful idea to think about o.o


Have you never eaten mexican food?
But yeah I dunno why but there are a lot of aram players who only play to win and get so mad when you're trolling around with AP rammus. Just have some fun, this isn't some tourny, yo. Most people I've met had the good attitute of "just have fun" but you sometimes get one negative nancy complaining about something.

And i'm still sad riot destroyed olaf. :/ been years and they still haven't learned.


I think riot was doing an okay job of being light on the nerfs around the end of season 2. But they have started absolutely gutting champions in season 3. Rengar, Diana, Katarina, Ezreal, Olaf, Shaco, Evelynn, Lee Sin - and now it looks like they're about to do some work on Hecarim, Taric, Elise, and Singed.

I wish they would leave the strong elements of the champions that are considered "OP" and let some counterplay develop around it.


Half of the champions you mentioned are still perfectly fine just people stopped playing them because they got nerfed from being stupidly strong.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
March 17 2013 18:30 GMT
#3346
On March 18 2013 03:19 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:06 c.Deadly wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 17 2013 23:29 Usagi wrote:
On March 17 2013 22:52 57 Corvette wrote:

As for ARAM, Basically it is a mode that lets you go full retard/have fun without having to worry about a lot of rage/reports.


And still there are enough guys who manage to be a flaming asshole and deserve reports xD

P.D: wow flaming asshole is certainly a painful idea to think about o.o


Have you never eaten mexican food?
But yeah I dunno why but there are a lot of aram players who only play to win and get so mad when you're trolling around with AP rammus. Just have some fun, this isn't some tourny, yo. Most people I've met had the good attitute of "just have fun" but you sometimes get one negative nancy complaining about something.

And i'm still sad riot destroyed olaf. :/ been years and they still haven't learned.


I think riot was doing an okay job of being light on the nerfs around the end of season 2. But they have started absolutely gutting champions in season 3. Rengar, Diana, Katarina, Ezreal, Olaf, Shaco, Evelynn, Lee Sin - and now it looks like they're about to do some work on Hecarim, Taric, Elise, and Singed.

I wish they would leave the strong elements of the champions that are considered "OP" and let some counterplay develop around it.


Half of the champions you mentioned are still perfectly fine just people stopped playing them because they got nerfed from being stupidly strong.


What does "perfectly fine" even mean? None of them are as strong as other alternatives, that's why competitive players have abandoned them, with the exception of Diana who was rebuffed after the nerfs.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 17 2013 18:35 GMT
#3347
On March 18 2013 03:30 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:19 Parnage wrote:
On March 18 2013 03:06 c.Deadly wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 17 2013 23:29 Usagi wrote:
On March 17 2013 22:52 57 Corvette wrote:

As for ARAM, Basically it is a mode that lets you go full retard/have fun without having to worry about a lot of rage/reports.


And still there are enough guys who manage to be a flaming asshole and deserve reports xD

P.D: wow flaming asshole is certainly a painful idea to think about o.o


Have you never eaten mexican food?
But yeah I dunno why but there are a lot of aram players who only play to win and get so mad when you're trolling around with AP rammus. Just have some fun, this isn't some tourny, yo. Most people I've met had the good attitute of "just have fun" but you sometimes get one negative nancy complaining about something.

And i'm still sad riot destroyed olaf. :/ been years and they still haven't learned.


I think riot was doing an okay job of being light on the nerfs around the end of season 2. But they have started absolutely gutting champions in season 3. Rengar, Diana, Katarina, Ezreal, Olaf, Shaco, Evelynn, Lee Sin - and now it looks like they're about to do some work on Hecarim, Taric, Elise, and Singed.

I wish they would leave the strong elements of the champions that are considered "OP" and let some counterplay develop around it.


Half of the champions you mentioned are still perfectly fine just people stopped playing them because they got nerfed from being stupidly strong.


What does "perfectly fine" even mean? None of them are as strong as other alternatives, that's why competitive players have abandoned them, with the exception of Diana who was rebuffed after the nerfs.


Eve is still a permaban in Korea. Kat still sees tons of play in LCS. Shaco was always in an odd spot so it's hard to say anything about him.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 17 2013 18:46 GMT
#3348
Ezreal's still a often picked champion in pro play as well. Rengar is getting changes as I recall, Shaco is shaco..he's unlikely to ever see pro play but he's never really seen pro play at least in NA with a few exceptions.

Strong alternatives is just the polite way of saying the new stupidly strong. People wanting to play what they believe to be the best champions to win is nothing new. Of course I'd put my money on the vet Ezreal player over the bandwagon Tristana or Varus guy.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
HolyToss1911
Profile Joined May 2007
354 Posts
March 17 2013 19:09 GMT
#3349
I think Rengar solo top is secret op.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
March 17 2013 19:15 GMT
#3350
On March 18 2013 03:46 Parnage wrote:
Ezreal's still a often picked champion in pro play as well. Rengar is getting changes as I recall, Shaco is shaco..he's unlikely to ever see pro play but he's never really seen pro play at least in NA with a few exceptions.

Strong alternatives is just the polite way of saying the new stupidly strong. People wanting to play what they believe to be the best champions to win is nothing new. Of course I'd put my money on the vet Ezreal player over the bandwagon Tristana or Varus guy.


Ezreal went from an ubiquitously picked ADC to one that's seen in maybe 10% of pro games, and mostly from aAa and Wolves, and he doesn't have much success. Same with Katarina, I only see her from fnatic and Curse. Obviously the rest of them that were competitive picks have dropped off the map, with the exception of Eve in Korea I just learned.

Even if a champ is still being picked in a small number of games, going from a certain pick to a noteworthy one in just one or two patches is really indicative of an overnerf. And the new stupidly strong champions aren't ones that have been overbuffed recently, they were always lurking just behind the old stupidly strong champions that riot overnerfed. We get stuck in this cycle of nerfs where there's a constant changing of the guard, with a few pro players or teams staying one step ahead of the curve (Xin Zhao and now Voli from Gambit, or Kayle and recently Zed from Korean teams).

I just don't like this nerfing philosophy from Riot, I think keeping things relatively more stable will add a lot more to the pro scene and give some more weight to the moments when teams bust out a completely new champion or strategy.
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
March 17 2013 19:18 GMT
#3351
have a feeling i shoulda dodged this game about to start

enemy has mummy akali malph mf and ali the aoe and cc is ridic

we have khazix swain vi graves taric
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
March 17 2013 19:33 GMT
#3352
On March 18 2013 04:15 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:46 Parnage wrote:
Ezreal's still a often picked champion in pro play as well. Rengar is getting changes as I recall, Shaco is shaco..he's unlikely to ever see pro play but he's never really seen pro play at least in NA with a few exceptions.

Strong alternatives is just the polite way of saying the new stupidly strong. People wanting to play what they believe to be the best champions to win is nothing new. Of course I'd put my money on the vet Ezreal player over the bandwagon Tristana or Varus guy.


Ezreal went from an ubiquitously picked ADC to one that's seen in maybe 10% of pro games, and mostly from aAa and Wolves, and he doesn't have much success. Same with Katarina, I only see her from fnatic and Curse. Obviously the rest of them that were competitive picks have dropped off the map, with the exception of Eve in Korea I just learned.

Even if a champ is still being picked in a small number of games, going from a certain pick to a noteworthy one in just one or two patches is really indicative of an overnerf. And the new stupidly strong champions aren't ones that have been overbuffed recently, they were always lurking just behind the old stupidly strong champions that riot overnerfed. We get stuck in this cycle of nerfs where there's a constant changing of the guard, with a few pro players or teams staying one step ahead of the curve (Xin Zhao and now Voli from Gambit, or Kayle and recently Zed from Korean teams).

I just don't like this nerfing philosophy from Riot, I think keeping things relatively more stable will add a lot more to the pro scene and give some more weight to the moments when teams bust out a completely new champion or strategy.

What's a proper nerf then? Why should everyone be able to pick and play a champ as opposed to people that are actually good with the champ? To me, no champ should be "ubiquitous" in the sense that every team plays them -- only in the sense that the best players with that champ should be able to play them.

No champ should be at a point where they're a 90% pick/ban like Ez was. If they go back to being a 10-15% pick/ban, that's not an overnerf, that's completely average and actually ideal.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 17 2013 19:52 GMT
#3353
Zhao Yun's new theme song:

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samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
March 17 2013 19:59 GMT
#3354
On March 18 2013 04:18 samthesaluki wrote:
have a feeling i shoulda dodged this game about to start

enemy has mummy akali malph mf and ali the aoe and cc is ridic

we have khazix swain vi graves taric


wellwe would won if we didnt have a mid that went 0-10 vs akali as swain such a joke and other team think there good cause they snowball off him 8-1 khazix not strong enough vs mass fed aoe cc
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 17 2013 20:05 GMT
#3355
On March 18 2013 04:59 samthesaluki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 04:18 samthesaluki wrote:
have a feeling i shoulda dodged this game about to start

enemy has mummy akali malph mf and ali the aoe and cc is ridic

we have khazix swain vi graves taric


wellwe would won if we didnt have a mid that went 0-10 vs akali as swain such a joke and other team think there good cause they snowball off him 8-1 khazix not strong enough vs mass fed aoe cc


Based on the way you worded that, I think I'd bet money that you raged in game and are well on your way to getting another banned account. Mad props.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
March 17 2013 20:20 GMT
#3356
well i learned that bans deteriorate with time and i been leveling an eu account so i just wont play for a month and finish leveling my eu account, so then ill come play a few so elo does not decay, also he feeds every ranked game and is bottom of bronze 3 im silver why put him on my team qq
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
March 17 2013 20:26 GMT
#3357
On March 18 2013 04:33 upperbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 04:15 c.Deadly wrote:
On March 18 2013 03:46 Parnage wrote:
Ezreal's still a often picked champion in pro play as well. Rengar is getting changes as I recall, Shaco is shaco..he's unlikely to ever see pro play but he's never really seen pro play at least in NA with a few exceptions.

Strong alternatives is just the polite way of saying the new stupidly strong. People wanting to play what they believe to be the best champions to win is nothing new. Of course I'd put my money on the vet Ezreal player over the bandwagon Tristana or Varus guy.


Ezreal went from an ubiquitously picked ADC to one that's seen in maybe 10% of pro games, and mostly from aAa and Wolves, and he doesn't have much success. Same with Katarina, I only see her from fnatic and Curse. Obviously the rest of them that were competitive picks have dropped off the map, with the exception of Eve in Korea I just learned.

Even if a champ is still being picked in a small number of games, going from a certain pick to a noteworthy one in just one or two patches is really indicative of an overnerf. And the new stupidly strong champions aren't ones that have been overbuffed recently, they were always lurking just behind the old stupidly strong champions that riot overnerfed. We get stuck in this cycle of nerfs where there's a constant changing of the guard, with a few pro players or teams staying one step ahead of the curve (Xin Zhao and now Voli from Gambit, or Kayle and recently Zed from Korean teams).

I just don't like this nerfing philosophy from Riot, I think keeping things relatively more stable will add a lot more to the pro scene and give some more weight to the moments when teams bust out a completely new champion or strategy.

What's a proper nerf then? Why should everyone be able to pick and play a champ as opposed to people that are actually good with the champ? To me, no champ should be "ubiquitous" in the sense that every team plays them -- only in the sense that the best players with that champ should be able to play them.

No champ should be at a point where they're a 90% pick/ban like Ez was. If they go back to being a 10-15% pick/ban, that's not an overnerf, that's completely average and actually ideal.


That would be ideal if every other champ was of equal strength and the OP champ was nerfed down to that level, but that's not what happens. There are always going to be new strongest champs for pros to switch over to. Ez was nerfed to a middle of the pack ADC and he's in a good spot right now, but noteworthy Ez players like Chaox and Genja basically never play him anymore.

Nerfs that I liked but weren't overnerfs were how Riot handled Xin Zhao and Jarvan. They're still strong, teams still pick them, but jungle picks like Cho'Gath, Volibear, and Nasus are seeing some play now.
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
March 17 2013 20:33 GMT
#3358
ez sucks now he is just a safe pick like you can do well with him but he is inferior
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
March 17 2013 20:57 GMT
#3359
On March 18 2013 05:33 samthesaluki wrote:
ez sucks now he is just a safe pick like you can do well with him but he is inferior


I've always felt is is an OK adc. doesn't bring any utility to the table like MF, and can't really carry in the late game like vayne. all things considered, he's like you said, a safe pick, but not one that can really dominate.
:-)
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 17 2013 21:02 GMT
#3360
Ez is in a good spot I feel. He's still picked sometimes but not in 50% of all games good riddance
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