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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 13 2013 19:52 GMT
#2781
On March 14 2013 04:46 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 04:44 thenexusp wrote:
Sorry to kick up the rune page discussion again but

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35554484#post35554484

Save your IP, rune page sale incoming

I brought it up before; but even if Rune Page was half the price, 95% of player base would choose 3150 ip champion over 3150 ip runepage.

There's a difference between 3150IP rune pages and 3150IP runepages THIS WEEK ONLY
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 13 2013 19:53 GMT
#2782
Kind of off topic but has anyone else started spamming DANGER DANGER with red ping instead of the standart back one from before? :D

I even have a macro so I don't have to write it LOL.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 13 2013 19:54 GMT
#2783
On March 14 2013 04:53 nafta wrote:
Kind of off topic but has anyone else started spamming DANGER DANGER with red ping instead of the standart back one from before? :D

I even have a macro so I don't have to write it LOL.

You can also redo key bindings to have all the new pings be "fast pings" instead of in a context menu
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 13 2013 19:56 GMT
#2784
On March 14 2013 04:47 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 04:42 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 14 2013 04:42 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 14 2013 04:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 14 2013 04:34 overt wrote:
On March 14 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 14 2013 04:29 overt wrote:
On March 14 2013 04:25 TheYango wrote:
On March 14 2013 04:24 overt wrote:
Catering to how trolls behave isn't what Riot should be doing in either case.

Likewise, if people are going to troll regardless, Riot shouldn't implement a system that impedes everyone else's experience just for the sake of trying to reign in trolls (which would be the point of role queues in the first place--if people didn't rage/troll then we'd have perfectly civil role assignment in champ select anyway).


Maybe. Except if you organized a 5s game you'd discuss what roles everyone is playing before hand. If you and eight friends went to go play baseball you'd probably all say what positions you'd prefer and then figure out who's playing what.

There's nothing wrong with a system that let's people pick one, two, three, or four roles they want to play. Or simply pick, "I don't care." The only good argument I've heard is that it could make queue times longer but if you just picked "any" as your role then it wouldn't even be an issue.

If civil people got into a pre-game lobby and saw that three of their players had a role preference towards mid, support, and jungle then it would eliminate the need for communication between three players and prevent pointless disagreements or confusion over who's playing what.

I don't think it's something that needs to be done ASAP. I do think it's something for Riot to consider implementing down the road.

did you completely ignore the "forces meta" argument?


That's not a good argument because it doesn't force a meta. Riot would likely make the labels something like Mage, Bruiser, Carry, Support, and Jungler. They can also have extra tags. SagaZ had a good post on the last page about a possible way to do it. If you have multiple tags there's no reason you couldn't run three mages in the game and not have a support or AD carry.

Tags are just as vague as anything else

also.

Metagame stagnating is a non issue, as long as 2 solos 1 duo 1 jungle is the way to play the game, role picking before queueing will not make it any less innovative.


I don't think he understands the meaning of "metagame"

I'm against the "queue for role" solution, but Riot already does plenty in terms of supporting the current meta (nerfing champs when not played in their intended role, designing champs that fit the meta, ect).

It's like people forgot that season 1 league was vastly different than season 2 league.

Also, just because Riot does do these things; doesn't mean they were the right solution or choices. It just means Riot is dumb as fuck sometimes.

Looking back in the future I expect Season 1 to be an outlier. Season 2 was played a very specif way, and aside from a few minor changes the Season 3 meta is pretty similar (in terms of roles, different champs picked of course). Honestly I don't see it changing much in the future. The meta game in terms of picks will change while the specific roles stay the same.


S1 also had almost no tournaments with only two LANs for NA teams (WCG 2010 and Season 1 Finals). Considering most of what people do is just copying pro players it's not much of a surprise that S1 was so chaotic. Also important to note that until the very end of S1 all of the 'pro' teams didn't really practice they just played solo queue.

For a lot of S1 you had stuff like ADC going mid lane and APs going top lane but by the end of S1 every team was running solo top, AP mid, AD+support bottom, and jungle.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 13 2013 19:57 GMT
#2785
How often do these runepage sales come about?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 20:02:09
March 13 2013 19:57 GMT
#2786
Look, I think the forcing a metagame argument is valid, but the catering to trolls argument is not. This has nothing to do with trolls. I don't see how the average player WOULDN'T benefit from MATCHMAKING based on preferred lanes. Look, if I want to play an AD carry, I don't necessarily believe that I should get to play it every single match, but an infrastructure in place that greatly lessens the odd of me being matched in a team with someone else who also wants to play an AD carry is a good thing, and I don't see how the negatives can outweight the obvious reduction in champ select bickering. It's obviously not going to stop 100% of the trolls who are intent on trolling, but this will actually help people who aren't necessarily out to troll people, but will be largely more positive if they get to play what they like playing.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
March 13 2013 20:06 GMT
#2787
On March 14 2013 04:53 nafta wrote:
DANGER DANGER ? :D
.

HIGH VOLTAGE!


On the role q, I think it would be nice if people could just be tagged, and still matched as they are now, you would only see from the beggining what everyone wants, so there is no "calling"
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
March 13 2013 20:07 GMT
#2788
On March 14 2013 04:57 mordek wrote:
How often do these runepage sales come about?

It just started being a thing some time last year, no idea if Riot will start to do it more regularly from this point on.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 20:10:45
March 13 2013 20:08 GMT
#2789
On March 14 2013 04:43 Requizen wrote:
And if they're just tags that don't determine/denote actual roles, then what's the difference between that and saying your preference at the start of picks/bans like now? Either it has to be a hard lock system that punishes people for straying from their queue'd role, or you're not changing anything. LoL doesn't need a "LFG system", it just needs people to get banned for not respecting pick order.

There is no diference with stating your roles at the beggining of the game, that's the point. It would just make it so there can no longer be 2 or more "mid only" players in 1 team. Of course roles would be locked when the champion select pops, it would just create an instance where players can be baned for claiming another role than the one they queued for.

If you want to make a 3 mage comp, by all means try to do it in the actual system. I don't see how it would be harder to make it happen with a role calling system. a sidelane carry doesn't mean it's a ranged ad, it means it's a champion that's going to take the most farm it can from the lane. There would still be a champion select with a chat you know.

Vague tags help not enforcing the "EU" way of playing on anyone. You can still lane swap, you can still play 2 bruisers in a duo lane, you can play ap champions if you want too. Champions picked for each role should not be a reportable offense. You should be able to play an ap champion bot and irelia jungle if you want. Right now the game is played with 3 farm dependant champions in each lanes (carrys) 1 farm independant champion in 1 of those lanes (support) and a jungler that do random stuff. Variations are the oldschool split farm duolane.
Unless some crazy 3 man lane happens, I don't see how you can change it around too much.
Besides, significant lane composition changes will appear in 5s teams, not soloqueue. Soloqueue should be a place to just play with people on your level, practice mechanics. If I want to practice my ad carry and i get last pick, well that sucks for me. I will still play support if I have to, but I would have rather played something else. take it to the extreme, some persons have jobs, they get home, the only thing they want is to play a nice and fast viktor mid game. bam they're fifth pick cause RNG. what they do? sure they can suck it up and play support, but maybe they dont want to play support, maybe they're just really really itchy to play viktor mid. So they threaten to feed and all that good stuff. Or they dodge. None of these are very cool for him.
Riot enforcing picks by order makes that happen. But they have to play everything to become better players right? Well you need to realize most of us don't give a damn about getting better, they have a 5s team, they play toplane for their team, they want to get better at top. that's it. (and even you could argue that focused practice by mass playing the same champion x times in a row makes better practice than random stuff all games).

pick filter also makes it easier for people with few runepages
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 13 2013 20:09 GMT
#2790
On March 14 2013 05:07 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 04:57 mordek wrote:
How often do these runepage sales come about?

It just started being a thing some time last year, no idea if Riot will start to do it more regularly from this point on.

Ugh, I'll never buy the champs I waaaaaant D:

:D
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 13 2013 20:13 GMT
#2791
On March 14 2013 04:27 Koenig99 wrote:
So stepping away from this role-calling talk for a second, how to people feel about AD's starting with a red pot in lane?

I pick it up in soloQ if I have a support that doesn't have a heal. When I'm playing with my friends where I know my support is solid it's Dblade erryday.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
March 13 2013 20:15 GMT
#2792
On March 14 2013 05:13 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 04:27 Koenig99 wrote:
So stepping away from this role-calling talk for a second, how to people feel about AD's starting with a red pot in lane?

I pick it up in soloQ if I have a support that doesn't have a heal. When I'm playing with my friends where I know my support is solid it's Dblade erryday.

I think he was refereing to a red elixir
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
March 13 2013 20:16 GMT
#2793
I'd be curious to see, in practice, how much longer the queues would be for those that tag mid and top.
Bora Pain minha porra!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 20:29:44
March 13 2013 20:26 GMT
#2794
For me personally, I just don't like the idea of promoting/enabling people who are only willing to play one champ/one role. And I say this as someone who in the past was an "only jungle" person. I feel like in doing so I stunted my growth as a player and was generally less pleasant to play with because of it.
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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
March 13 2013 20:27 GMT
#2795
Everyone who is arguing for "meta-stagnation" clearly didn't see my additions to the filter list:
Man Mode
EFF the Meta
Trolls Unite

Call it whatever. I'd join that queue from time to time. Some people might even just play it only.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 13 2013 20:34 GMT
#2796
On March 14 2013 05:27 JonGalt wrote:
Everyone who is arguing for "meta-stagnation" clearly didn't see my additions to the filter list:
Man Mode
EFF the Meta
Trolls Unite

Call it whatever. I'd join that queue from time to time. Some people might even just play it only.


Even if they don't do this idea they should just make that queue. Would be hilariously fun to play whatever the hell I want and do whatever I want in a game. I wouldn't play it all the time but some of the most fun games I've had is when I get a team where everyone is just like, "fuck it let's all go mid," or, "let's play a team where everyone has a shield (or a heal)."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 13 2013 20:34 GMT
#2797
On March 14 2013 05:15 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 05:13 Gahlo wrote:
On March 14 2013 04:27 Koenig99 wrote:
So stepping away from this role-calling talk for a second, how to people feel about AD's starting with a red pot in lane?

I pick it up in soloQ if I have a support that doesn't have a heal. When I'm playing with my friends where I know my support is solid it's Dblade erryday.

I think he was refereing to a red elixir

I'm aware.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 13 2013 20:38 GMT
#2798
On March 14 2013 05:34 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 05:27 JonGalt wrote:
Everyone who is arguing for "meta-stagnation" clearly didn't see my additions to the filter list:
Man Mode
EFF the Meta
Trolls Unite

Call it whatever. I'd join that queue from time to time. Some people might even just play it only.


Even if they don't do this idea they should just make that queue. Would be hilariously fun to play whatever the hell I want and do whatever I want in a game. I wouldn't play it all the time but some of the most fun games I've had is when I get a team where everyone is just like, "fuck it let's all go mid," or, "let's play a team where everyone has a shield (or a heal)."

You can do that in normals with friends. Currently on the table to be played next is Team Hook City with Blitz, Thresh, Naut, Darius, and Amumu. Amumu is kind of a cheat BUT HE'S CLOSE.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 20:42:20
March 13 2013 20:38 GMT
#2799
On March 14 2013 05:26 TheYango wrote:
For me personally, I just don't like the idea of promoting/enabling people who are only willing to play one champ/one role. And I say this as someone who in the past was an "only jungle" person. I feel like in doing so I stunted my growth as a player and was generally less pleasant to play with because of it.


I very much agree with you, but in the end the player's enjoyment of the game should take precedence, and in this case, letting players have more control over what they want to play without being a detriment to others is great. Moreover, if I want to get better at AP mid, the most efficient way is probably to play 10 AP mid games in a row so that the to let your skills and instincts with that role cement properly.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 20:42:47
March 13 2013 20:41 GMT
#2800
On March 14 2013 05:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 05:34 overt wrote:
On March 14 2013 05:27 JonGalt wrote:
Everyone who is arguing for "meta-stagnation" clearly didn't see my additions to the filter list:
Man Mode
EFF the Meta
Trolls Unite

Call it whatever. I'd join that queue from time to time. Some people might even just play it only.


Even if they don't do this idea they should just make that queue. Would be hilariously fun to play whatever the hell I want and do whatever I want in a game. I wouldn't play it all the time but some of the most fun games I've had is when I get a team where everyone is just like, "fuck it let's all go mid," or, "let's play a team where everyone has a shield (or a heal)."

You can do that in normals with friends. Currently on the table to be played next is Team Hook City with Blitz, Thresh, Naut, Darius, and Amumu. Amumu is kind of a cheat BUT HE'S CLOSE.


Replace Amumu with Diana.

That also gives you a fairly rounded team. Darius Top, Naut Jungle, Diana Mid, Thresh AD + Blitz Support.
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