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1godless
United States247 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Zizoz
United States232 Posts
On March 13 2013 23:27 sylverfyre wrote: She and Sona are also nice picks against AP Nidalee. It's nice having an extra MR aura that keeps your AD carry from losing 70% his health from a single spear. Thing is... if you're picking Soraka for the MR aura, you do have to stop and think about why you aren't picking Sona instead. I was talking about Soraka's ult in addition to her passive. Sona can't heal your entire team at once. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 14 2013 02:21 Zizoz wrote: I was talking about Soraka's ult in addition to her passive. Sona can't heal your entire team at once. This is true, but Sona's ult brings a lot - (easily arguable that it brings more) to a teamfight. Either way, MR auras and heals are good against poke comps. I do find it hard to bring an 160s CD ult into consideration when you're trying to "counter" a 6 second javelin toss. It's a non-factor. Nid will just throw more spears before engaging. It's your W heal that is going to be doing most of the job of sustaining away the poke, not your ulti. It's pretty much just wasteful of your ulti CD to be using it to heal only one person who is standing next to you. Save that shit for when the whole team is hurting and needs the heal NOW. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Even so, I think queuing up with roles has some pretty important downsides: 1) I feel like this will only encourage players to stay in their comfort zone and not explore other roles that they perceive as not fun or too difficult. 2) Queuing up for Mid/Top/ADC will probably take longer than Support or Jungle. 3) People may enter ELOs that they really don't deserve. That's really your judgement though. I say this because someone who just spams their great mid and never has to play anything else will be at a higher ELO than if they were forced out of their comfort zone. However, if you think getting to 2200 ELO only playing mid is acceptable then to each his own - I just feel like to really earn your ELO you should have to play some other roles. But their are some upsides: 1) People might actually improve a lot and we could see an influx of really good players who can beast at one or two roles. 2) Hopefully less trolling. Seems like their should be less, but who knows. I think it's safe to say it would be reduced. I actually think a good idea might be a compromise. Don't pick one role, but choose 3. This gets the both of best worlds to me. And of course there should be a "I don't care" option. | ||
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Zizoz
United States232 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 14 2013 02:44 nafta wrote: The only thing that can fix the solo q problem is the league community.Unless everyone stops being fucking dicks and doing dumb shit for no reason it will never happen.Pretty sure it will stay like this at best simply because more people start playing it and we all know that communities get worse as they get bigger. Doesn't mean Riot can't do anything to try and fix the way the community acts. I'm honestly just hoping for a definitive statement of pick order > call order. I know some people are against this but I think it would help a lot, and people can't claim you can't report them because they called the role even though you are higher on the pick order. | ||
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
On March 13 2013 21:23 zulu_nation8 wrote: kinda interesting that people will play volibear before rammus, not sure why every team absolutely refuse to run him. Because Rammus is boring and easy as fuck to play. At least Volibear has an execute and fast attack speed to make it feel like he's doing more. Just "feels" more interactive. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
Wow, that thing is hideous, I'm not even sure that'd sell better. This is pretty much what they already did with Elise though. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 14 2013 01:27 wei2coolman wrote: that'd be a terrible idea imo; would force stagnate meta. TBH Riot does enough things that play into a "stagnant metagame" that it wouldn't be inconsistent for them to do this anyway. That said, there are a host of other issues this introduces, several of which JonGalt talked about above. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 14 2013 02:49 onlywonderboy wrote: Doesn't mean Riot can't do anything to try and fix the way the community acts. I'm honestly just hoping for a definitive statement of pick order > call order. I know some people are against this but I think it would help a lot, and people can't claim you can't report them because they called the role even though you are higher on the pick order. I vaguely remember a riot post or something that clearly stated that higher pick gets to pick w/e he wants.I've always thought it was like that. Also kind of off topic but it's quite amazing just how bad the community is.Like I've played A LOT of games and I have never felt pretty close to ashamed to call myself part of it.Guess I never really played team games before(other than wow maybe) this one so it kind of makes sense.Like when the most popular mentality of your whole ladder system is-I am matched with 4 retards and gotta beat the other 5-you know something is wrong. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 14 2013 02:33 JonGalt wrote: 1) I feel like this will only encourage players to stay in their comfort zone and not explore other roles that they perceive as not fun or too difficult. While this is definitely true for new players I think if Riot ever made a way to queue up as a specific role it'd likely be locked to level 30s only. I've played this game since 2010. I already know that I'm a bad jungler. I already know that I absolutely 100% hate playing top lane and usually if I get stuck playing top I just play an AP carry that can safely top lane. I think that by level 30 a lot of people already know which roles/which kinds of champions they enjoy playing as. Someone like me who dislikes playing as tanky guys/bruisers is never going to enjoy jungle or top lane and is very likely going to be a detriment to the team if they play a non-meta champion in a role that they aren't familiar with. At the same time it's a bit weird to stick someone who mostly plays bruisers or who mostly jungles on a role like ADC. On March 14 2013 02:33 JonGalt wrote: 2) Queuing up for Mid/Top/ADC will probably take longer than Support or Jungle. I don't think this is necessarily a problem. Or even true. A lot of people play League. Maybe at high elo when you have a smaller player base and queue times are longer anyways but for the most part I don't think it'd increase queue times that much. And even if it does then it forces people who insist on mid/top to either be patient or play their secondary/third role. On March 14 2013 02:33 JonGalt wrote: 3) People may enter ELOs that they really don't deserve. That's really your judgement though. I say this because someone who just spams their great mid and never has to play anything else will be at a higher ELO than if they were forced out of their comfort zone. However, if you think getting to 2200 ELO only playing mid is acceptable then to each his own - I just feel like to really earn your ELO you should have to play some other roles. There are so many pro players who got to high elo purely by playing one or two champions. If you're a Challenger Tier Orianna player you deserve to be there. Even if none of your other champions are good enough to cut it. Also I think it's fair to say that a pro like Cop or Doublelift or imaqtpie might be pro level at ADC but could very well be like a Gold or Plat jungler or top laner or support or something. While it's nice that there are people who can be equally, or almost equally, good at every role most people can only play two maybe three roles consistently well. On March 14 2013 02:33 JonGalt wrote: I actually think a good idea might be a compromise. Don't pick one role, but choose 3. This gets the both of best worlds to me. And of course there should be a "I don't care" option. Yeah a compromise would be good. Although for me personally I would love a system where I could just tell it I want to play a role and then have it go. 99% of my games are duo queues or more because I almost only play this game with my friends. When I play with my friends I usually am forced to ADC because none of my friends knows how to and they don't want to learn how. The reason I rarely play by myself is because I don't want to be stuck as a role that I won't enjoy (top/jungle) and I don't want to play the role I usually am forced to play (ADC). If there was a way for me to queue up and demand that I get to be AP mid or support it'd be very convenient for me personally. Granted the rare occasions that I queue up by myself I can usually get support if I call it and about half the time can manage to get AP mid if I'm not first pick. Still, once Riot gets shit sorted a queue by role feature would be really really nice. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Funniest thing ever is watching Taric 1v2 Scarra's diana + trist; shit's so ridiculous | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On March 14 2013 03:19 overt wrote: Also I think it's fair to say that a pro like Cop or Doublelift or imaqtpie might be pro level at ADC but could very well be like a Gold or Plat jungler or top laner or support or something. While it's nice that there are people who can be equally, or almost equally, good at every role most people can only play two maybe three roles consistently well. One very good example of this is Destiny. His Draven is pretty good (dunno what division he is at atm), and he can also play graves, but outside of that he's pretty damn mediocre. He still deserves to be where he is though. To get as good as you possibly can be at this game, you have to specialize on something. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 14 2013 03:19 overt wrote: I don't think this is necessarily a problem. Or even true. A lot of people play League. Maybe at high elo when you have a smaller player base and queue times are longer anyways but for the most part I don't think it'd increase queue times that much. And even if it does then it forces people who insist on mid/top to either be patient or play their secondary/third role. It actually has nothing to do with how many people are queuing and only to do with the ratio of people queuing under each role. If at any given time 80% of players are queueing for Top/Mid/AD, and 20% are queueing for Jungle/Support, then 60% of the player base has to wait for more people to enter queue to get a game. If you're at the bottom of that 60%, you could be waiting a REALLY long time for a game. On March 14 2013 03:19 overt wrote: There are so many pro players who got to high elo purely by playing one or two champions. If you're a Challenger Tier Orianna player you deserve to be there. Even if none of your other champions are good enough to cut it. I'd say that this is a more general problem of how the system evaluates skill rather than one related to this queuing system, but I don't agree that it's OK to be a one-champ wonder. For example, there are Chinese DotA ladders that track hero-specific rating and calculate your overall rating as an aggregate of those. In order to raise rating efficiently, you have to be proficient at a multitude of heroes--raising only one hero's rating quickly starts to give you low overall gains unless you raise other heroes to the same level. In general, I don't think it's a good thing to encourage role-exclusivity. Maybe in normals, but certainly not in ranked. People would be less inclined to fight each other for roles in the first place if there was more encouragement for people to expand their comfort zone and play everything to begin with. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 14 2013 03:19 overt wrote: I don't think this is necessarily a problem. Or even true. A lot of people play League. Maybe at high elo when you have a smaller player base and queue times are longer anyways but for the most part I don't think it'd increase queue times that much. And even if it does then it forces people who insist on mid/top to either be patient or play their secondary/third role. You probably haven't played WOW since they created the automatching dungeon feature have you? | ||
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