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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 13 2013 15:04 GMT
#2701
Chalice is also incredibly strong on Sona vs Leona lanes.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
March 13 2013 15:13 GMT
#2702
Most of the time I build dorans into sightstone into chalice on sona.

It sets you behind for your first big item, but laning on sona without dorans is horrible, and chalice is so awesome on her. She runs oom so fast.

Also the way her skills work you pick up every assist in teamfights and often kills, too, so you are not too starved.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 13 2013 15:22 GMT
#2703
But do you upgrade into that bellthing fast or not?
KCCO!
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
March 13 2013 15:36 GMT
#2704
I'm not entirely sure what a chalice is going to do for a sona in a lane against leona. Shes just gona trade a powercord for a zenith blade.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 13 2013 15:40 GMT
#2705
MR reduces the damage from Leona's passive, which is substantial. However, by the time you've finished Doran's + Sightstone I'm not sure it's still all that relevant.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 13 2013 15:47 GMT
#2706
On March 14 2013 00:36 Sermokala wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what a chalice is going to do for a sona in a lane against leona. Shes just gona trade a powercord for a zenith blade.


Don't use the power chord on leona. You can Q from pretty safely out of range of leona, and zone with that alone. It'll take longer, but eventually either the ADC or leona will get low enough that you can use the power chord, get caught, and still win.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
March 13 2013 16:21 GMT
#2707
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3219076#35541421

Anyone else happy that they're finally looking into a way to solve the pick order v calling roles argument? I'm curious as to what they'll come up with. I like the notion of picking which roles you want to play before the game, but that won't stop trolls from marking support then calling mid anyways.

Also looking forward to "goodies" for players that honor players showing good behavior. I feel like everyone's forgotten about honor and nobody really cares to give it anymore, at least nowhere near as much as when it came out.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 13 2013 16:25 GMT
#2708
If they actually display what role you queued up as then it's going to be very hard for trolls to get away with queuing up one role and calling another, since it'll be abundantly clear and they could get banned quite fast.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 13 2013 16:27 GMT
#2709
On March 14 2013 01:25 Juicyfruit wrote:
If they actually display what role you queued up as then it's going to be very hard for trolls to get away with queuing up one role and calling another, since it'll be abundantly clear and they could get banned quite fast.

that'd be a terrible idea imo; would force stagnate meta.
liftlift > tsm
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 16:37:23
March 13 2013 16:36 GMT
#2710
Idk, right now people report others for not following the meta. I'd be fine with unorthodox picks as long as the player goes to the lane they're supposed to be in and not obviously trolling. It's a huge improvement over "I no support I call mid or feed noobs".

Then again, personally I think ranked is a place to practice within the current meta, and normals/customs are for trying out crazy strats and whatnot unless your team(in ranked) agrees to trying something new.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 13 2013 16:37 GMT
#2711
On March 14 2013 01:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 01:25 Juicyfruit wrote:
If they actually display what role you queued up as then it's going to be very hard for trolls to get away with queuing up one role and calling another, since it'll be abundantly clear and they could get banned quite fast.

that'd be a terrible idea imo; would force stagnate meta.

They already label pros by their role in LCS, even when laneswaps are so common.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
March 13 2013 16:38 GMT
#2712
On March 14 2013 00:47 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 00:36 Sermokala wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what a chalice is going to do for a sona in a lane against leona. Shes just gona trade a powercord for a zenith blade.


Don't use the power chord on leona. You can Q from pretty safely out of range of leona, and zone with that alone. It'll take longer, but eventually either the ADC or leona will get low enough that you can use the power chord, get caught, and still win.

your q isn't going to be doing that much damage on its own, its going to take power cords to do any real damage to people without running wildly low on mana and space.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 16:43:10
March 13 2013 16:42 GMT
#2713
On March 14 2013 01:38 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 00:47 Amui wrote:
On March 14 2013 00:36 Sermokala wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what a chalice is going to do for a sona in a lane against leona. Shes just gona trade a powercord for a zenith blade.


Don't use the power chord on leona. You can Q from pretty safely out of range of leona, and zone with that alone. It'll take longer, but eventually either the ADC or leona will get low enough that you can use the power chord, get caught, and still win.

your q isn't going to be doing that much damage on its own, its going to take power cords to do any real damage to people without running wildly low on mana and space.


You can still powerchord the ADC or leona if zenith blade is down/you have a very large wave/enemy AD out of position to punish even if you get caught.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 16:47:06
March 13 2013 16:42 GMT
#2714
On March 14 2013 01:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 01:25 Juicyfruit wrote:
If they actually display what role you queued up as then it's going to be very hard for trolls to get away with queuing up one role and calling another, since it'll be abundantly clear and they could get banned quite fast.

that'd be a terrible idea imo; would force stagnate meta.


I don't necessarily agree with the idea altogether, but if you're going to have people queue up based on roles, you might as well show what role they queued up as so people can't lie. Not to mention once you get to the champion selection screen if you want to do some fancy anti-meta shit based on enemy picks it's still possible to do so.

And let's be fair it's not like there's a whole lot of innovation going on in soloQ anyways.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 13 2013 16:47 GMT
#2715
SoloQ innovates, you know.. if it can get them to break the game.. see Ap trynd.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 16:50:59
March 13 2013 16:49 GMT
#2716
On March 14 2013 01:47 Parnage wrote:
SoloQ innovates, you know.. if it can get them to break the game.. see Ap trynd.


I mean innovation in terms of having lane setups, not builds or champ select.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
March 13 2013 16:50 GMT
#2717
On March 14 2013 01:42 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 01:38 Sermokala wrote:
On March 14 2013 00:47 Amui wrote:
On March 14 2013 00:36 Sermokala wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what a chalice is going to do for a sona in a lane against leona. Shes just gona trade a powercord for a zenith blade.


Don't use the power chord on leona. You can Q from pretty safely out of range of leona, and zone with that alone. It'll take longer, but eventually either the ADC or leona will get low enough that you can use the power chord, get caught, and still win.

your q isn't going to be doing that much damage on its own, its going to take power cords to do any real damage to people without running wildly low on mana and space.


You can still powerchord the ADC or leona if zenith blade is down/you have a very large wave/enemy AD out of position to punish even if you get caught.

your power cord is 550 range and zenith blade is 700. Its still a wickedly disadvantaged game of russian roulete where if you win you get a little damage on the adc and if you lose you die. a chalice isn't going to change this game its just going to give you more turns to pull the trigger.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 16:55:34
March 13 2013 16:55 GMT
#2718
Auto-attack and spell ranges aren't calculated the same way; 550 auto range is actually roughly 650 spell range. So while this still puts Sona in range of Zenith Blade, the margin is small enough that it can be tough for Leona to react/land Zenith Blade.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
March 13 2013 16:56 GMT
#2719
I think it depends on whether they're running ignite or not. If the adc has cleanse or barrier I think you can survive a combo from them (once you have dorans) as long as your AD is good about immediately going onto the enemy AD so they have to back off.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 17:16:36
March 13 2013 17:12 GMT
#2720
On March 14 2013 01:50 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 01:42 Amui wrote:
On March 14 2013 01:38 Sermokala wrote:
On March 14 2013 00:47 Amui wrote:
On March 14 2013 00:36 Sermokala wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what a chalice is going to do for a sona in a lane against leona. Shes just gona trade a powercord for a zenith blade.


Don't use the power chord on leona. You can Q from pretty safely out of range of leona, and zone with that alone. It'll take longer, but eventually either the ADC or leona will get low enough that you can use the power chord, get caught, and still win.

your q isn't going to be doing that much damage on its own, its going to take power cords to do any real damage to people without running wildly low on mana and space.


You can still powerchord the ADC or leona if zenith blade is down/you have a very large wave/enemy AD out of position to punish even if you get caught.

your power cord is 550 range and zenith blade is 700. Its still a wickedly disadvantaged game of russian roulete where if you win you get a little damage on the adc and if you lose you die. a chalice isn't going to change this game its just going to give you more turns to pull the trigger.


Then don't powerchord. Having chalice gives you more mana regen to Q and W, and as long as you maintain brush control on your side with vision wards you're going to alright.

Even as I say this, Leona's a relatively bad matchup for Sona, because while Sona can survive the lane, Leona exerts more pressure and neuters a lot of Sona's power, while scaling much better into late-game. Then again I don't see why anyone would pick first-pick Sona if they have their choice of support (imo Nami is straight up better and Alistar is also a safe pick if you want sustain + teamfight) but at the very least you wouldn't purposely pick Sona into a Leona lane.
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