EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 123
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Of course people want to spend IP on champs over runepages. Champs are fun to play. You can do a ton of things playing a champ. They're the whole reason you play the game. Runepages merely allow you to more easily manage runes that give you a powerboost ingame, so they aren't exactly thought of as fun or desireable. Heck, if you like a champ enough you might even buy a skin for it. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
However, what Riot does need to do is focking update their Champion Bundles. Would be sickassdope if they allowed pick and choose 'x' number of champions for a set RP price. Edit: @BP, it's silly to spend real monies on League? ;_; It's still a 'free' game but obviously it's more advantageous for someone like me who's been playing for four years. If you're just starting, I think buying a champ bundle is most ideal. You're paying like $25 for the game then use the IP you start getting for runes. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2013 15:27 NeoIllusions wrote: I don't think Runes or Rune Pages are ever worth complaining about. It's part of Riot's business strategy and it makes sense. Why complain? However, what Riot does need to do is focking update their Champion Bundles. Would be sickassdope if they allowed pick and choose 'x' number of champions for a set RP price. ^THISSSSSSSS. A million fucking times. God those original champ bundles were so shit and dated. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On March 12 2013 13:58 Gahlo wrote: Olleh! Since we were talking about Nami earlier, specifically about Tidecaller's Blessing being obvious enough, this is an updated effect put on the PBE today. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/attachments/46/611/634986559485510700.png) YEAH I DID IT as for having to use a pink ward to gank akali... i'll do it. you know why? because it pisses them off. and i really like pissing people off. it's like when you play dota and you kill one of those smarmy stealth champions that things they can walk around wherever they want. and most people when they die to a pink ward won't think "well, i made him spend 125g, so it's comparatively worth it." no, people are too emotional. they'll think "WHO THE HELL DOES THAT!?" getting into people's heads is so fun, you feel like you beat the game behind the game | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On March 12 2013 15:27 NeoIllusions wrote: I don't think Runes or Rune Pages are ever worth complaining about. I STRONGLY disagree with that statement. The vast majority of discussions we've had about their business model have revolved around how a certain 'general' amount of runes are mandatory to play this game at a reasonable level, which when combined with the actual cost of runes, pages for those runes, and champions, makes 'free to play' perhaps a misnomer for anyone who isn't a long term veteran of this game or doesn't care about 'proper play.' It's a discussion that we have had tons of times though so I won't get into my standard essays over it again. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
They advertised it to me as a free to play game and gosh darnit I'm gonna play this game for free! I've bought skins but that's all from RP that I got from Riot being dumb and trying to rectify their mistakes. I fully support their business model of skins = money. Literally the only thing I do disagree with is how often new champs are released, as well as runepages/runes in general. Like why even have tier 1/2 runes, it's kind of silly how shit they are and you can tell they're literally noob traps to waste IP so you buy RP later. :/ | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2013 15:38 BlackPaladin wrote: Yeah I flat out refuse to spend money on league lololol They advertised it to me as a free to play game and gosh darnit I'm gonna play this game for free! I've bought skins but that's all from RP that I got from Riot being dumb and trying to rectify their mistakes. I fully support their business model of skins = money. Literally the only thing I do disagree with is how often new champs are released, as well as runepages/runes in general. Like why even have tier 1/2 runes, it's kind of silly how shit they are and you can tell they're literally noob traps to waste IP so you buy RP later. :/ Depends, if you're not very good, the time from lvl 1-20 is a HUGE; I know people who spend an entire year between level 1-30. Tier1-2 runes not as bad as you think it is. If people want to complain about rune page; they should complain about champion IP costing as well. Cuz they're part of the gameplay too; and to access ranked play you need X amount of champions to play ranked. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
Only time the client remembers you have someone ignored is during champ select, which is basically the one time you might want to communicate with someone despite your differences. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 12 2013 15:27 NeoIllusions wrote: I don't think Runes or Rune Pages are ever worth complaining about. It's part of Riot's business strategy and it makes sense. Why complain? However, what Riot does need to do is focking update their Champion Bundles. Would be sickassdope if they allowed pick and choose 'x' number of champions for a set RP price. Edit: @BP, it's silly to spend real monies on League? ;_; It's still a 'free' game but obviously it's more advantageous for someone like me who's been playing for four years. If you're just starting, I think buying a champ bundle is most ideal. You're paying like $25 for the game then use the IP you start getting for runes. Well, it is worse than you describe. Because a person can Pay RP (aka money) for a champion. Heck, they could do something crazy like buy a champ + all available skins. But, because of the rune system they still need to bust out the IP for runes themselves to get a correct experience with said champ. Its practically a bait-and-switch. Is the OP in that threat a QQer? Probably. Is there a chance that he is, for some reason, a person who's favorite champions are Akali, Udyr, and Ezreal (You probably can only carry over yellows and blues for those 3 while having a "quality" runepage)? ya. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Please excuse the typos, iPhones are tough | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On March 12 2013 15:42 wei2coolman wrote: Depends, if you're not very good, the time from lvl 1-20 is a HUGE; I know people who spend an entire year between level 1-30. Tier1-2 runes not as bad as you think it is. If people want to complain about rune page; they should complain about champion IP costing as well. Cuz they're part of the gameplay too; and to access ranked play you need X amount of champions to play ranked. The thing is, you could just make tier 3 runes be the only runes, unloked at level 1, so you literally just buy the runes you want and bam, you have the runes you want. No buying tier 1's and going "man now i need tier 3's." I still don't get why you're forced to buy 9 of them though other than to force tou to waste IP so you spend money on champs. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2013 15:59 BlackPaladin wrote: The thing is, you could just make tier 3 runes be the only runes, unloked at level 1, so you literally just buy the runes you want and bam, you have the runes you want. No buying tier 1's and going "man now i need tier 3's." I still don't get why you're forced to buy 9 of them though other than to force tou to waste IP so you spend money on champs. Should complain about not getting flash til level 12 as well... On another note; Even Dyrus jumping on HotS bandwagon; rather than playing LoL, he's playing hots campaign. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
at 450IP: annie kayle ryze at 1350IP: jax amumu taric nasus trist TF at 3150IP: jarvan lux shen twitch lots of really strong options for all the lanes (some BiS too!) with just kayle, ryze, taric and nasus i would have 3 potential top lanes, 1 support, 2 mid and 2 junglers. throw in ashe for 450 ip and that's a shitload of potential for just 4050 IP | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On March 12 2013 15:57 Dgiese wrote: Honestly, its a free to play game. I've played for two years on and off, I have champions I'm good with, and 8 rune pages with a mix for any and every role. Do I have I have a specific mid armor and specific mid mr page? No, I don't play mid that much. Do I have pretty much 2 pages for every other role? Yes I do, and they fit the champions I Kim to play. The only money I ever spent on the game was buying ww back when he was the king of the jungle (should tell you how long I've been playing). Rather then buying every single champ, I've bought only a few champs, but at least one or two setups for those champs that I do oWm. I've gotten one or two free pages, the rest have been from two for 6300 ip or just straight up 6400 ip pages. You're concerned about buying power? Same here, thats why I bought power and less champions, and learnt to play those champs in a strong and versatile manner. Please excuse the typos, iPhones are tough This reminds me of another thing that annoys me about these discussions. Not that you did so, but people often speak as if someone who doesn't want to just play 'a few champs' is somehow doing it wrong, or deserves having a worse game experience(or at best, having to grind more for an equal experience). This got worse when people got free champions removed from ranked games, because that was a legitimate counter argument(the free rotation). But if you want to play ranked with a variety of champs, you're back to being hamstrung by IP restrictions. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2013 16:10 red_ wrote: This reminds me of another thing that annoys me about these discussions. Not that you did so, but people often speak as if someone who doesn't want to just play 'a few champs' is somehow doing it wrong, or deserves having a worse game experience(or at best, having to grind more for an equal experience). This got worse when people got free champions removed from ranked games, because that was a legitimate counter argument(the free rotation). But if you want to play ranked with a variety of champs, you're back to being hamstrung by IP restrictions. imo restriction should be harsher for ranked play. should require at least 30 champs. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
 It just makes sense. The only reason it wasn't was due to riots old beliefs of slowly unlocking stuff to make them different from dota. But they also believed in hybrid stuff like old kayle, sion, etc which they really don't do as much anymore. Nor do they do everything in per 5/10 anymore. It's just old stuff based off of dota or trying to differentiate themselves from dota. :/ | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2013 16:14 BlackPaladin wrote: I always believed that all summoner spells should be abailable at lvl 1 also though It just makes sense. The only reason it wasn't was due to riots old beliefs of slowly unlocking stuff to make them different from dota. But they also believed in hybrid stuff like old kayle, sion, etc which they really don't do as much anymore. Nor do they do everything in per 5/10 anymore. It's just old stuff based off of dota or trying to differentiate themselves from dota. :/ The whole idea is progression; allowing stuff like runepage / mastery page progression, allowed for a fairly nice linear learning curve; rather than having this steep ass learning curve like dota. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On March 12 2013 16:13 wei2coolman wrote: imo restriction should be harsher for ranked play. should require at least 30 champs. Then you get people buying cheap champs for no reason. Only reason why I have Soraka is the 3rd ban. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 12 2013 16:15 wei2coolman wrote: The whole idea is progression; allowing stuff like runepage / mastery page progression, allowed for a fairly nice linear learning curve; rather than having this steep ass learning curve like dota. No, the learning curve is better because Riot has a newbie-friendly matchmaking system + they guard vigilantly against "antifun" mechanics. If LoL send in fresh LVL 1 players into the 1200 ELO queue like DoTA used to do basically, they would have a worse time. No flash, no runes, no masteries, only free week champs. | ||
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