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I will argue that Thresh is probably the strongest support right now, though there are certain lanes that he is less good against (Cait Taric is one of the worst IMO). Still, I'd say he is far superior to Blitz in most ways.
Thresh's hook is slower and "harder to hit", but the passive damage tied to it, in my opinion, makes it worth it. Plus, it has lower cooldown and slightly more range. You play in similar ways with it by zoning and stuff, but yeah.
His W is much, much more useful that Blitz's W-- a shield/ getaway/ ward compared to a slight atk/move steroid. The E's are almost comparable, but I like Thresh's because of the slow and the push forward/backward option. Thresh's R does more damage but is more "single target" as opposed to straight AOE. The massive slow is about as good as a silence in a lot of situations in my opinion as well.
No real reason to do a kit comparison, but I felt like it, hehe.
Anywho...
Lulu is fun as shit. She basically has 6 different spells, as her W and E do different things based on the target. Her Q is a slow with lots of damage, her W is a hard CC or steroid, her E is a shield/reveal nuke, and her ulti is a shield/knock up-slow. Ridiculous utility, ridiculous damage. Get her.
I prefer Sona over Nami by a lot. I feel champs like Nami, Leona and Zyra are pretty strong in arranged games, but quite weak in SoloQ as they depend on a lot of coordination to make work. Sona is incredibly straightforward-- you just poke until they're low, drop the ulti and get your carry farmed. Nami feels a lot weaker. I think its because her poke is tied so closely to your AD, and comes from spells and mana rather than a passive. Still, her ulti is the sexiest thing in the game.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Voyboy playing solo top Nunu right now amg
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On March 11 2013 08:09 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 08:01 BlackPaladin wrote:Remember when sona was the "jack of all trades master of none?"  When was this?I joined in the end of s1 and she has been a top pick since then.Even when I played some cups and stuff she was fp/ban pretty much always lol.
I don't remember the time period. Sona's been kind of weird throughout. When she first came out you basically just slammed your face on the keyboard and won the game as long as you had chalice and 40% CDR. Then they changed her where her passive adds different effects and her mana costs were changed a lot.
From there Riot had the time of their lives constantly tweaking her here and there until I remember at one point she had what people considered a "mediocre heal" "some poke" and "a speed boost" and people would say she was a "jack of all trades, master of none and that's how she should be." Back then people felt janna/soraka were always a better pick in general though, and if you wanted lane presence that taric was better. I think it might have been mid s2? or somewhere in there, before support nunu was even thought of as a thing. There were very few supports back then though.
It was more of a thing that people didn't appreciate how strong sona's poke is and how strong her aura's really are because they were trying to compare them to stuff like taric's passive which gave more.
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On March 11 2013 09:15 Alaric wrote:Wrt DnG's departure: Show nested quote +We won’t be “Dirtnap Gaming’s team” any more, but we’d still like to be Dirtnap Gaming’s team. Isn't it a bit awkward saying this, unless I got it wrong and Velocity isn't an already existing organisation?
I took it to mean that they'd still like to be a part of the community(which is supported by them still trying to get a meet and greet together and whatnot).
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to be fair the removal of mana scaling on Q was a pretty massive buff that happened between Janna and Raka being more popular and Sona becoming the best poke in the game. Q max used to cost a ton of mana (not unlike Nami W max) but Riot pulled a riot and buffed it at the same time as nerfing Raka and Janna and made her the best support by a wide margin.
it's like how they nerfed Zyra only to be shocked when Taric became un counterable.
edit I'm sorry I have it backwards, they introduced scaling with rank 5 being the original cost, so huge buff to mana costs.
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On March 11 2013 09:15 Alaric wrote:Wrt DnG's departure: Show nested quote +We won’t be “Dirtnap Gaming’s team” any more, but we’d still like to be Dirtnap Gaming’s team. Isn't it a bit awkward saying this, unless I got it wrong and Velocity isn't an already existing organisation?
that was a really weird part for them to highlight but yes
basically DnG isn't gonna have a league team any more so i still want our dng fans to root for us is what i was going for
i'll have official posts on reddit and here and shit soon
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On March 11 2013 09:28 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 08:09 nafta wrote:On March 11 2013 08:01 BlackPaladin wrote:Remember when sona was the "jack of all trades master of none?" When was this?I joined in the end of s1 and she has been a top pick since then.Even when I played some cups and stuff she was fp/ban pretty much always lol. I don't remember the time period. Sona's been kind of weird throughout. When she first came out you basically just slammed your face on the keyboard and won the game as long as you had chalice and 40% CDR. Then they changed her where her passive adds different effects and her mana costs were changed a lot. From there Riot had the time of their lives constantly tweaking her here and there until I remember at one point she had what people considered a "mediocre heal" "some poke" and "a speed boost" and people would say she was a "jack of all trades, master of none and that's how she should be." Back then people felt janna/soraka were always a better pick in general though, and if you wanted lane presence that taric was better. I think it might have been mid s2? or somewhere in there, before support nunu was even thought of as a thing. There were very few supports back then though. It was more of a thing that people didn't appreciate how strong sona's poke is and how strong her aura's really are because they were trying to compare them to stuff like taric's passive which gave more.
Guess this was the period when people maxed w  .I remember I thought sona was bad then I saw some pro max q and after I tried it I realised how dumb I was.There was a point when sona's w healed for 20 at rank 1.Was pretty hilarious xD.Now that I think of it support is probably the role that has seen the most improvement by far(talking about the fun factor,skillwise it still is the worst with a few exceptions).
Edit:Taric has never been uncounterable.He has always been the darius of supports that is it.
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nerfing Zyra was a huge buff to Taric any way you slice it.
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On March 11 2013 09:37 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 09:28 BlackPaladin wrote:On March 11 2013 08:09 nafta wrote:On March 11 2013 08:01 BlackPaladin wrote:Remember when sona was the "jack of all trades master of none?" When was this?I joined in the end of s1 and she has been a top pick since then.Even when I played some cups and stuff she was fp/ban pretty much always lol. I don't remember the time period. Sona's been kind of weird throughout. When she first came out you basically just slammed your face on the keyboard and won the game as long as you had chalice and 40% CDR. Then they changed her where her passive adds different effects and her mana costs were changed a lot. From there Riot had the time of their lives constantly tweaking her here and there until I remember at one point she had what people considered a "mediocre heal" "some poke" and "a speed boost" and people would say she was a "jack of all trades, master of none and that's how she should be." Back then people felt janna/soraka were always a better pick in general though, and if you wanted lane presence that taric was better. I think it might have been mid s2? or somewhere in there, before support nunu was even thought of as a thing. There were very few supports back then though. It was more of a thing that people didn't appreciate how strong sona's poke is and how strong her aura's really are because they were trying to compare them to stuff like taric's passive which gave more. Guess this was the period when people maxed w .I remember I thought sona was bad then I saw some pro max q and after I tried it I realised how dumb I was.There was a point when sona's w healed for 20 at rank 1.Was pretty hilarious xD.Now that I think of it support is probably the role that has seen the most improvement by far(talking about the fun factor,skillwise it still is the worst with a few exceptions). Edit:Taric has never been uncounterable.He has always been the darius of supports that is it.
Yeah, I think it was then.
20 hp heal lvl 1 on sona was the most hilarious time period ever.
"Don't worry guys I got you." *heals*
"My hp bar didn't even go up"
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On March 11 2013 09:45 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 09:37 nafta wrote:On March 11 2013 09:28 BlackPaladin wrote:On March 11 2013 08:09 nafta wrote:On March 11 2013 08:01 BlackPaladin wrote:Remember when sona was the "jack of all trades master of none?" When was this?I joined in the end of s1 and she has been a top pick since then.Even when I played some cups and stuff she was fp/ban pretty much always lol. I don't remember the time period. Sona's been kind of weird throughout. When she first came out you basically just slammed your face on the keyboard and won the game as long as you had chalice and 40% CDR. Then they changed her where her passive adds different effects and her mana costs were changed a lot. From there Riot had the time of their lives constantly tweaking her here and there until I remember at one point she had what people considered a "mediocre heal" "some poke" and "a speed boost" and people would say she was a "jack of all trades, master of none and that's how she should be." Back then people felt janna/soraka were always a better pick in general though, and if you wanted lane presence that taric was better. I think it might have been mid s2? or somewhere in there, before support nunu was even thought of as a thing. There were very few supports back then though. It was more of a thing that people didn't appreciate how strong sona's poke is and how strong her aura's really are because they were trying to compare them to stuff like taric's passive which gave more. Guess this was the period when people maxed w .I remember I thought sona was bad then I saw some pro max q and after I tried it I realised how dumb I was.There was a point when sona's w healed for 20 at rank 1.Was pretty hilarious xD.Now that I think of it support is probably the role that has seen the most improvement by far(talking about the fun factor,skillwise it still is the worst with a few exceptions). Edit:Taric has never been uncounterable.He has always been the darius of supports that is it. Yeah, I think it was then. 20 hp heal lvl 1 on sona was the most hilarious time period ever. "Don't worry guys I got you." *heals* "My hp bar didn't even go up"
That happened to us at a baron. I don't remember the details, but we didn't kill the baron, and then the sona tried to pawn it off saying we shouldn't have done it because we should have known he didn't have the heals to keep us alive. That was such a long time ago.
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Or go leona. She's a great pubstomper at lower elos and is pretty much the polar opposite of sona. If you get a strong laning/bursty AD carry like draven/ez/varus and they picked a squishy adc, leona can completely roflstomp the lane. If you're serious about maining support, she's a great teacher when it comes to passive aggression, zoning, lane control, disrupting enemy last hits and so on. Plus her teamfight power is as good as, or better than, sona's.
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On March 11 2013 10:21 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
Or go leona. She's a great pubstomper at lower elos and is pretty much the polar opposite of sona. If you get a strong laning/bursty AD carry like draven/ez/varus and they picked a squishy adc, leona can completely roflstomp the lane. If you're serious about maining support, she's a great teacher when it comes to passive aggression, zoning, lane control, disrupting enemy last hits and so on. Plus her teamfight power is as good as, or better than, sona's.
Sona is much more reliable in solo Q. I've played a couple of Leona lanes with friends with voice chat and it's been really fun and effective. I do the same thing in solo Q and my AD runs away on full hp after a perfect engage and blames me for feeding. Never again.
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United States37500 Posts
I wouldn't Leona with an ADC I'm not familiar with. Leona, while aggressive, is a pretty much all-in aggro Support. If your ADC doesn't follow up when you Zenith in, that pretty much ruins your laning.
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On March 11 2013 10:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wouldn't Leona with an ADC I'm not familiar with. Leona, while aggressive, is a pretty much all-in aggro Support. If your ADC doesn't follow up when you Zenith in, that pretty much ruins your laning.
Plus you can lose lane Pre-3 if your AD doesn't understand how she works.
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Everyone should go to voy stream.Their "scrims" are so funny XD.
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On March 11 2013 10:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wouldn't Leona with an ADC I'm not familiar with. Leona, while aggressive, is a pretty much all-in aggro Support. If your ADC doesn't follow up when you Zenith in, that pretty much ruins your laning.
yeah I have trouble when my AD carry falls asleep during the game as well
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On March 11 2013 10:53 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 10:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wouldn't Leona with an ADC I'm not familiar with. Leona, while aggressive, is a pretty much all-in aggro Support. If your ADC doesn't follow up when you Zenith in, that pretty much ruins your laning. yeah I have trouble when my AD carry falls asleep during the game as well
unfortunately in bronze league. not only do most players have the maturity of a 5 year old, they also need the naptime.
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On March 11 2013 10:41 nafta wrote:
Everyone should go to voy stream.Their "scrims" are so funny XD.
It really shows how much weaker of a team they are when Nyjacky isn't mid.
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Zenithing in deep is often not how you roll the lane. You just wait for it to start pushing (or bait it by walking amidst the minions and looking to get them to do splash damage when trying to harass you), make sure your AD knows to freeze and then zone the crap out of them with Q and W. I only pick her with high aggression carries, so I get a better hit rate with people who like to dunk the lane than most I suppose.
I should point out that I'm low silver/high bronze in ranked, so carries fall for the most stupid shit at this level. I imagine up past 16-18 hundred elo a lot of my tricks are less effective.
edit: ok, so my solutions to a lot of the problems people are describing (dumb ADC's, weak pre-3, no followup to engages) are the following
1) make sure you have good runes/masteries set up. I generally run AP quints on her to give that little edge in level 1-2 trades and more burst from her full combo- her ratios are terrible, but when all your skills are level 1, the extra damage you get is noticeable. Masteries are predominantly early game and summoner spell focused rather than scaling. Always get 1 point in Wrath for the exhaust bonus, suuuuper important for early engagements. Getting the extra initial gold and block/unyielding masteries are also pretty critical
2) go for a very potion heavy initial buy. If you're more pushy than your opponent, 3 greens and 8pots. If significantly less pushy, 1 green, 1 purp and 9 pots. If unsure, 2 green, 1 purp and 7 pots.
3) Pick your W first unless you know your AD is going to be hyper aggressive, use it to push the lane opponents away from the creeps and force them to use abilities to farm, or to burn mana pushing you back with your W up. Look to get an early health/mana advantage using your potions, and from there control the lane.
4) just walking at the enemy adc with your W up is often way more effective than trying to E them sneakily. Time it so if they back off to wait it out they lose a few CS, if they try and kite you, time your E to the beginning of one of their AA's for a free swing in, Q and peace out, giving your adc hopefully one free shot. With lots of pots, you will generally come out way ahead on these trades.
5) your goal is just to get ahead. Once a leona lane is ahead, without drastic intervention it generally stays ahead. All your decisions, runes, masteries and itemization early game should be aimed to getting you that slight edge early so you can hold onto it.
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On March 11 2013 10:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wouldn't Leona with an ADC I'm not familiar with. Leona, while aggressive, is a pretty much all-in aggro Support. If your ADC doesn't follow up when you Zenith in, that pretty much ruins your laning.
I've had the weirdest experiences as Leona. For example, i picked leona. Afterwards my ADC picked vayne. And then he told me to never engage in lane.
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