[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 108

On March 11 2013 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
lol Korean Dominance my ass, you mean Chinese/Taiwanese dominance?

On March 11 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:

It's Korean dominance because Korea has a large number of teams that all consistently play together on the top level, far more than other regions. It's not that individual teams from other regions can't compete (and citing strong performance from individual teams like Curse and Gambit is missing the point), but because on the whole, the number of top-tier Korean teams vastly outnumbers other regions. NA and EU each have 1-2 teams that can consistently play on a top level, China has 2-4, Taiwan 2. Korea has maybe 10-ish teams that are all on a similar level?

On March 11 2013 06:51 Alaric wrote:
Picked up Cass, maxed Q first, after somebody asked me "Why not E first? Isn't it what people did?" I decided to try it, plus they picked Ryze afterwards and Cass is viewed as one of his hardest counters in lane. So it should be safe to try, right?

So I maxed E first against Ryze. I'm dumb, right?
(Their jungle Elise ganked twice before level 5, and again twice before I got 7, despite the wards he just kept trying. While it certainly pissed me off it didn't seem to have any influence on the fact that Ryze outtraded me everytime I was in range to use E, plus E's animation is too slow to Q->E->walk back and kite without Ryze getting a W (and hence full combo) off.)

On March 11 2013 05:49 little fancy wrote:
Holy shit. We have a team where the leader didn't play for ages. We went to gold II and then he returned one day, claiming it was "his" team and that we have to play with him or he would delete the team. Now we are gold V and play no more l0l.

On March 11 2013 07:12 MooMooMugi wrote:
It's just the client lagging at updating your league points gained or lost

On March 11 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:

It's Korean dominance because Korea has a large number of teams that all consistently play together on the top level, far more than other regions. It's not that individual teams from other regions can't compete (and citing strong performance from individual teams like Curse and Gambit is missing the point), but because on the whole, the number of top-tier Korean teams vastly outnumbers other regions. NA and EU each have 1-2 teams that can consistently play on a top level, China has 2-4, Taiwan 2. Korea has maybe 10-ish teams that are all on a similar level?

On March 11 2013 07:09 wei2coolman wrote:

Your opening items probably had a lot to do with it, You should be able to get away with a super sustain heavy opening, like 9pots with wards or whatever.

Ryze pre-6 trading is very weak, in fact you probably would want him to trade with you like that, pre-6. Drain his mana, so by the time he is level 6, he can't force clear the wave with his ulti.

On March 11 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:

I was under the impression that maxing Q instead allows to pressure him every time he tries to cs, or at the worst push super fast to roam while he's stuck at his tower. So E max would still be the option against Ryze?

On March 11 2013 07:41 Amarok wrote:
So I've decided to pretty much play support non-stop in ranked. I've found having bad players in other positions, while problematic isn't as big a deal as having a "bad" support. I put bad in quotes because I don't think most support players in silver realize what they're doing wrong. I just find there's very rarely vision where we need it (Dragon, Baron, approaches to points of the map that need contesting) and no attempt to gain vision control of the map after it's been lost. A support who doesn't do these things doesn't give their team room to make any plays.

I've pretty much played (and love) Sona exclusively when supporting because I love having an influence on teamfights, but I'd like another "go to" support for when she gets picked or the bot lane doesn't suit her. I don't like Taric, Nunu, Raka (low teamfight contributors) or Leona (very difficult to co-ordinate bot lane). I'm almost ready for another 6k champ and was planning on picking up Nami because I love the look of her kit but I hear underpowered murmurings. Zyra and Lulu were my other options. Champ difficulty isn't a factor, I'm fine mechanically and I'm happy to spend some time learning the ins and outs of a particular option.

Thoughts?

On March 11 2013 07:41 Amarok wrote:
So I've decided to pretty much play support non-stop in ranked. I've found having bad players in other positions, while problematic isn't as big a deal as having a "bad" support. I put bad in quotes because I don't think most support players in silver realize what they're doing wrong. I just find there's very rarely vision where we need it (Dragon, Baron, approaches to points of the map that need contesting) and no attempt to gain vision control of the map after it's been lost. A support who doesn't do these things doesn't give their team room to make any plays.

I've pretty much played (and love) Sona exclusively when supporting because I love having an influence on teamfights, but I'd like another "go to" support for when she gets picked or the bot lane doesn't suit her. I don't like Taric, Nunu, Raka (low teamfight contributors) or Leona (very difficult to co-ordinate bot lane). I'm almost ready for another 6k champ and was planning on picking up Nami because I love the look of her kit but I hear underpowered murmurings. Zyra and Lulu were my other options. Champ difficulty isn't a factor, I'm fine mechanically and I'm happy to spend some time learning the ins and outs of a particular option.

Thoughts?