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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 10 2013 20:38 GMT
#2141
You won so hard you lost. It's like the ultimate throw..
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-10 20:39:48
March 10 2013 20:39 GMT
#2142
On March 11 2013 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
lol Korean Dominance my ass, you mean Chinese/Taiwanese dominance?

It's Korean dominance because Korea has a large number of teams that all consistently play together on the top level, far more than other regions. It's not that individual teams from other regions can't compete (and citing strong performance from individual teams like Curse and Gambit is missing the point), but because on the whole, the number of top-tier Korean teams vastly outnumbers other regions. NA and EU each have 1-2 teams that can consistently play on a top level, China has 2-4, Taiwan 2. Korea has maybe 10-ish teams that are all on a similar level?
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
March 10 2013 20:43 GMT
#2143
On March 11 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
lol Korean Dominance my ass, you mean Chinese/Taiwanese dominance?

It's Korean dominance because Korea has a large number of teams that all consistently play together on the top level, far more than other regions. It's not that individual teams from other regions can't compete (and citing strong performance from individual teams like Curse and Gambit is missing the point), but because on the whole, the number of top-tier Korean teams vastly outnumbers other regions. NA and EU each have 1-2 teams that can consistently play on a top level, China has 2-4, Taiwan 2. Korea has maybe 10-ish teams that are all on a similar level?

More like 5ish teams
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Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
March 10 2013 20:45 GMT
#2144
Yea I wouldnt draw too many conclusions from CRS scrims where they have onebadbrad subbing at mid, voy trying out Vayne top and saint jungling Karthus..
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-10 20:49:36
March 10 2013 20:49 GMT
#2145
?

If you're considering only the absolute top echelon of teams then yeah there are maybe only 5-ish teams (CJ Frost/Blaze, KT B, Najin Sword). But then the count for other regions is lower too. EU only has one team that consistently plays at that level (Gambit; EG and Fnatic don't play at that level consistently enough even though they have occasional strokes of genius), China only has one (only WE; iG has too much throw potential, Royal and PE aren't that good yet, period), Taiwan only has one (and it's even questionable if TPA qualifies as "consistent" enough given their tendency for long slumps), and NA might not even have any.

I was being liberal in my estimates for all regions.
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little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
March 10 2013 20:49 GMT
#2146
Holy shit. We have a team where the leader didn't play for ages. We went to gold II and then he returned one day, claiming it was "his" team and that we have to play with him or he would delete the team. Now we are gold V and play no more l0l.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 10 2013 21:13 GMT
#2147
Completely unrelated but Happy elf Teemo looks awesome in game.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 10 2013 21:51 GMT
#2148
Picked up Cass, maxed Q first, after somebody asked me "Why not E first? Isn't it what people did?" I decided to try it, plus they picked Ryze afterwards and Cass is viewed as one of his hardest counters in lane. So it should be safe to try, right?

So I maxed E first against Ryze. I'm dumb, right?
(Their jungle Elise ganked twice before level 5, and again twice before I got 7, despite the wards he just kept trying. While it certainly pissed me off it didn't seem to have any influence on the fact that Ryze outtraded me everytime I was in range to use E, plus E's animation is too slow to Q->E->walk back and kite without Ryze getting a W (and hence full combo) off.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
March 10 2013 22:08 GMT
#2149
Just had two games of wins followed by leagues info processing. Anyone know what this bug entails?
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 10 2013 22:09 GMT
#2150
On March 11 2013 06:51 Alaric wrote:
Picked up Cass, maxed Q first, after somebody asked me "Why not E first? Isn't it what people did?" I decided to try it, plus they picked Ryze afterwards and Cass is viewed as one of his hardest counters in lane. So it should be safe to try, right?

So I maxed E first against Ryze. I'm dumb, right?
(Their jungle Elise ganked twice before level 5, and again twice before I got 7, despite the wards he just kept trying. While it certainly pissed me off it didn't seem to have any influence on the fact that Ryze outtraded me everytime I was in range to use E, plus E's animation is too slow to Q->E->walk back and kite without Ryze getting a W (and hence full combo) off.)

Your opening items probably had a lot to do with it, You should be able to get away with a super sustain heavy opening, like 9pots with wards or whatever.

Ryze pre-6 trading is very weak, in fact you probably would want him to trade with you like that, pre-6. Drain his mana, so by the time he is level 6, he can't force clear the wave with his ulti.
liftlift > tsm
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
March 10 2013 22:10 GMT
#2151
On March 11 2013 05:49 little fancy wrote:
Holy shit. We have a team where the leader didn't play for ages. We went to gold II and then he returned one day, claiming it was "his" team and that we have to play with him or he would delete the team. Now we are gold V and play no more l0l.

So let him delete the team and play without him.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
March 10 2013 22:12 GMT
#2152
On March 11 2013 07:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Just had two games of wins followed by leagues info processing. Anyone know what this bug entails?

It's just the client lagging at updating your league points gained or lost
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
March 10 2013 22:13 GMT
#2153
On March 11 2013 07:12 MooMooMugi wrote:
It's just the client lagging at updating your league points gained or lost

Ah, thank you.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 10 2013 22:16 GMT
#2154
On March 11 2013 05:39 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
lol Korean Dominance my ass, you mean Chinese/Taiwanese dominance?

It's Korean dominance because Korea has a large number of teams that all consistently play together on the top level, far more than other regions. It's not that individual teams from other regions can't compete (and citing strong performance from individual teams like Curse and Gambit is missing the point), but because on the whole, the number of top-tier Korean teams vastly outnumbers other regions. NA and EU each have 1-2 teams that can consistently play on a top level, China has 2-4, Taiwan 2. Korea has maybe 10-ish teams that are all on a similar level?

I don't know if you can say has korea has 10ish teams on similar level, when the top 4 teams have been pretty static in korea.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 10 2013 22:25 GMT
#2155
On March 11 2013 07:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 06:51 Alaric wrote:
Picked up Cass, maxed Q first, after somebody asked me "Why not E first? Isn't it what people did?" I decided to try it, plus they picked Ryze afterwards and Cass is viewed as one of his hardest counters in lane. So it should be safe to try, right?

So I maxed E first against Ryze. I'm dumb, right?
(Their jungle Elise ganked twice before level 5, and again twice before I got 7, despite the wards he just kept trying. While it certainly pissed me off it didn't seem to have any influence on the fact that Ryze outtraded me everytime I was in range to use E, plus E's animation is too slow to Q->E->walk back and kite without Ryze getting a W (and hence full combo) off.)

Your opening items probably had a lot to do with it, You should be able to get away with a super sustain heavy opening, like 9pots with wards or whatever.

Ryze pre-6 trading is very weak, in fact you probably would want him to trade with you like that, pre-6. Drain his mana, so by the time he is level 6, he can't force clear the wave with his ulti.

I was under the impression that maxing Q instead allows to pressure him every time he tries to cs, or at the worst push super fast to roam while he's stuck at his tower. So E max would still be the option against Ryze?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
March 10 2013 22:41 GMT
#2156
So I've decided to pretty much play support non-stop in ranked. I've found having bad players in other positions, while problematic isn't as big a deal as having a "bad" support. I put bad in quotes because I don't think most support players in silver realize what they're doing wrong. I just find there's very rarely vision where we need it (Dragon, Baron, approaches to points of the map that need contesting) and no attempt to gain vision control of the map after it's been lost. A support who doesn't do these things doesn't give their team room to make any plays.

I've pretty much played (and love) Sona exclusively when supporting because I love having an influence on teamfights, but I'd like another "go to" support for when she gets picked or the bot lane doesn't suit her. I don't like Taric, Nunu, Raka (low teamfight contributors) or Leona (very difficult to co-ordinate bot lane). I'm almost ready for another 6k champ and was planning on picking up Nami because I love the look of her kit but I hear underpowered murmurings. Zyra and Lulu were my other options. Champ difficulty isn't a factor, I'm fine mechanically and I'm happy to spend some time learning the ins and outs of a particular option.

Thoughts?
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3319 Posts
March 10 2013 22:42 GMT
#2157
On March 11 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 07:09 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 11 2013 06:51 Alaric wrote:
Picked up Cass, maxed Q first, after somebody asked me "Why not E first? Isn't it what people did?" I decided to try it, plus they picked Ryze afterwards and Cass is viewed as one of his hardest counters in lane. So it should be safe to try, right?

So I maxed E first against Ryze. I'm dumb, right?
(Their jungle Elise ganked twice before level 5, and again twice before I got 7, despite the wards he just kept trying. While it certainly pissed me off it didn't seem to have any influence on the fact that Ryze outtraded me everytime I was in range to use E, plus E's animation is too slow to Q->E->walk back and kite without Ryze getting a W (and hence full combo) off.)

Your opening items probably had a lot to do with it, You should be able to get away with a super sustain heavy opening, like 9pots with wards or whatever.

Ryze pre-6 trading is very weak, in fact you probably would want him to trade with you like that, pre-6. Drain his mana, so by the time he is level 6, he can't force clear the wave with his ulti.

I was under the impression that maxing Q instead allows to pressure him every time he tries to cs, or at the worst push super fast to roam while he's stuck at his tower. So E max would still be the option against Ryze?


I know that E max is more dps but I think Q max is safer and its a must if ure playing against a heavy pusher.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
March 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2158
Nami is pretty hard to use for little reward, Lulu/Thresh/Zyra all have more upside for now.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 10 2013 22:50 GMT
#2159
On March 11 2013 07:41 Amarok wrote:
So I've decided to pretty much play support non-stop in ranked. I've found having bad players in other positions, while problematic isn't as big a deal as having a "bad" support. I put bad in quotes because I don't think most support players in silver realize what they're doing wrong. I just find there's very rarely vision where we need it (Dragon, Baron, approaches to points of the map that need contesting) and no attempt to gain vision control of the map after it's been lost. A support who doesn't do these things doesn't give their team room to make any plays.

I've pretty much played (and love) Sona exclusively when supporting because I love having an influence on teamfights, but I'd like another "go to" support for when she gets picked or the bot lane doesn't suit her. I don't like Taric, Nunu, Raka (low teamfight contributors) or Leona (very difficult to co-ordinate bot lane). I'm almost ready for another 6k champ and was planning on picking up Nami because I love the look of her kit but I hear underpowered murmurings. Zyra and Lulu were my other options. Champ difficulty isn't a factor, I'm fine mechanically and I'm happy to spend some time learning the ins and outs of a particular option.

Thoughts?


1 word:Thresh.

Unless they are A LOT stronger than you in the 2v2 and you can't get the souls at some point you'll almost outtrade the ad 1v1.It is kind of dangerous to play him because you will lose a lot of brain cells when people don't just click the fucking lantern.

Nami is not good unless you are duoing or something imo.Sona/lulu/zyra all have one thing in common:you can do everything yourself.With nami unless the enemy is really bad you shouldn't be able to.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
March 10 2013 22:52 GMT
#2160
On March 11 2013 07:41 Amarok wrote:
So I've decided to pretty much play support non-stop in ranked. I've found having bad players in other positions, while problematic isn't as big a deal as having a "bad" support. I put bad in quotes because I don't think most support players in silver realize what they're doing wrong. I just find there's very rarely vision where we need it (Dragon, Baron, approaches to points of the map that need contesting) and no attempt to gain vision control of the map after it's been lost. A support who doesn't do these things doesn't give their team room to make any plays.

I've pretty much played (and love) Sona exclusively when supporting because I love having an influence on teamfights, but I'd like another "go to" support for when she gets picked or the bot lane doesn't suit her. I don't like Taric, Nunu, Raka (low teamfight contributors) or Leona (very difficult to co-ordinate bot lane). I'm almost ready for another 6k champ and was planning on picking up Nami because I love the look of her kit but I hear underpowered murmurings. Zyra and Lulu were my other options. Champ difficulty isn't a factor, I'm fine mechanically and I'm happy to spend some time learning the ins and outs of a particular option.

Thoughts?

Everything I've heard and seen about nami is badness. Shes a jack of all trades master of none. She's going to be outclassed in something by every other support and its going to be very hard for you to consistently use your other qualities to win the lane.

Zyra is really good and so is lulu. They have their plus's and minus's, I'd say that there isn't anything better then a good zyra in lane although I've never seen a good build for her.
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