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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:33 chroniX wrote: well i have to take your word on that but imo it is looking very grim for teams like that. lol, this is the kind of overreaction I expect from Reddit. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 11 2013 03:54 cLutZ wrote: No one plays soraka anymore either. So, there is that. I think, mostly, that despite people talking about the "Warmogs" or "Locket" metas this is still League of Cleavers, just without Black Cleaver. Burst damage Ala Khazix, Zed, or Lux really can take a non-tanky (not just squishy) target 100-0% or 100-33% depending on the time in the game. The problem IMO is that Morello supposedly HATES healbots like Soraka, yet Riot nerfed Soraka's W's armor duration instead of heal amount. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:16 chroniX wrote: Watching a few scrims of curse against a random team from voyboys pov with voicechat last night and then comparing it to the iem games of the korean teams (and maybe gambit) is just hilarious. one can only wonder how these guys can even attend the same tournaments and leagues. it is just like comparing me and my boys playing a football game for fun to a game of bayern munich. we have no overall game plan or tactic. everyone plays his role to his best and we go with it, i havent watched any other NA teams and only a few european teams playing the last months but if thats the status of the scene these guys have to get off their rockstar life and start working or lol will have the same situation as sc2. in before "nyjacky wasnt playing" , "they were trying new stuff" , "it was just a scrim".... i know and i think i know how to weight those games but it was quite obvious what was going on. I am going to go out on the limb and take the real risk of saying that Curse could take on those CJ lads. Can't wait to be proven most likely wrong but I am not going to go up and predict doom from Korean overlords due to IEM's results. Not yet anyway.. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:33 chroniX wrote: well i have to take your word on that but imo it is looking very grim for teams like that. All I see when I watch their scrims is them trying new strats and communicating quite well like discussing mistakes and how they should of handled certain situations, its a bit rough and crude at times but they get shit done and then they turn off their sound and discuss the games afterword. Scrims last night was them jacking off basically. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:51 Parnage wrote: I am going to go out on the limb and take the real risk of saying that Curse could take on those CJ lads. Can't wait to be proven most likely wrong but I am not going to go up and predict doom from Korean overlords due to IEM's results. Not yet anyway.. What Western-centric bullshit attitude is that calling Korean dominance "doom"? | ||
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chroniX
517 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:46 wei2coolman wrote: lol, this is the kind of overreaction I expect from Reddit. On March 11 2013 04:51 Parnage wrote: I am going to go out on the limb and take the real risk of saying that Curse could take on those CJ lads. Can't wait to be proven most likely wrong but I am not going to go up and predict doom from Korean overlords due to IEM's results. Not yet anyway.. yea maybe my wording was a bit too "doomsayerish". lets just say they have to get their shit together so that impression doesnt stay. i mean they live in a gaming house where they should live the game and its aspects every damn minute of the day. and then "maybe we could do dragon! hmm yea maybe? is it up? i dont know!". that is just not what you expect from a pro team. you would expect a solid game plan and a step-by-step execution of it. every step and reaction should be atleast talked about before in a tactic meeting. just like we see with the koreans. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On March 11 2013 05:04 TheYango wrote: What Western-centric bullshit attitude is that calling Korean dominance "doom"? The attitude that fans like watching NA teams more then foreign teams, and more people watch when "local" teams do well, so that Koreans winning everything is a bad thing for the scene as a whole. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 11 2013 05:04 TheYango wrote: What Western-centric bullshit attitude is that calling Korean dominance "doom"? lol Korean Dominance my ass, you mean Chinese/Taiwanese dominance?  On March 11 2013 05:07 chroniX wrote: yea maybe my wording was a bit too "doomsayerish". lets just say they have to get their shit together so that impression doesnt stay. i mean they live in a gaming house where they should live the game and its aspects every damn minute of the day. and then "maybe we could do dragon! hmm yea maybe? is it up? i dont know!". that is just not what you expect from a pro team. you would expect a solid game plan and a step-by-step execution of it. every step and reaction should be atleast talked about before in a tactic meeting. just like we see with the koreans. Curse has always been known as a reactionary team; they prefer to capitalize on enemy reactions, rather than initiate actions. | ||
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Cheap0
United States540 Posts
On March 11 2013 05:04 TheYango wrote: What Western-centric bullshit attitude is that calling Korean dominance "doom"? Seemed like a pretty light-hearted comment from a Curse fan. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
Can confirm that it does and it adds another level of meta farming. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:47 Sufficiency wrote: The problem IMO is that Morello supposedly HATES healbots like Soraka, yet Riot nerfed Soraka's W's armor duration instead of heal amount. Well they both are "passive". My point really is that heal(plus heals in general) have been nerfed to a really weak state. And considering burst is so strong right now, it needs to be evaluated. I remember a while back, and Soraka's W heal is really pretty small, on average I think it heals for ~ either a Ryze or Annie Q, with obviously higher mana costs and a higher cooldown. For most of the game heals are worse than shields (based on numbers and timing), but Riot has made the decision that for the small # of the time that heals are really strong, they are too strong, and thus cannot exist. edit On March 11 2013 05:08 dae wrote: The attitude that fans like watching NA teams more then foreign teams, and more people watch when "local" teams do well, so that Koreans winning everything is a bad thing for the scene as a whole. I love cheering for Gambit, but other than them I don't really like any pro team except maybe TSM (if Regi decided to go ham more often again, I liked them when Regi was always on the verge of throwing). | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On March 11 2013 05:04 TheYango wrote: What Western-centric bullshit attitude is that calling Korean dominance "doom"? ...Relax. Seriously. If you think I meant some actual offense by that other then colorful use of a word to illustrate a point I'am a tad hurt. That point being some people consider Korean domination of a scene(ala sc2) in a negative light because then they don't get to see the players they know as well win. I really could care less, in the end I want all of my favorite teams to do well. Curse I think could adapt. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On March 11 2013 05:17 Chrispy wrote: Btw thanks to that one guy who said frozen fist aoe works with Gangplank's parrrley. Can confirm that it does and it adds another level of meta farming. Too bad IBG doesn't work with Nasus Q  | ||
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Mensol
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On March 11 2013 05:17 Chrispy wrote: Btw thanks to that one guy who said frozen fist aoe works with Gangplank's parrrley. Can confirm that it does and it adds another level of meta farming. yea IBG and the true damage jungle item are core on gangplank, too bad it takes forever to get there lol I | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
I'm hoping to calculate if its more efficient to build certain items or use certain runes, and how much time before gold/sec are worth it | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vitx7nj.png) AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:51 Parnage wrote: I am going to go out on the limb and take the real risk of saying that Curse could take on those CJ lads. Can't wait to be proven most likely wrong but I am not going to go up and predict doom from Korean overlords due to IEM's results. Not yet anyway.. While you're pretty horribly wrong and Curse would certainly get crushed by CJ or WE or iG... It was pretty silly of that guy to compare the gameplay level of teams at an IEM Championship to a team scriming a non-pro team. Who cares how Curse behaves in scrims against teams that aren't even in the NA LCS. At most it proves that they maybe don't take the game as seriously but honestly I would be shocked if top level Koreans or Chinese teams even bother scrimmaging teams of that caliber so it's not like you can even make a comparison. Or wait, is he talking about the TSM scrims last night? I'm pretty out of it but if they didn't even have Nyjacky they probably weren't taking whatever scrim seriously in the first place so yeah. I'm sure if Blaze was scrimming with their manager playing AP mid they wouldn't take the scrim that seriously either. | ||
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