EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 106
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AsnSensation
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Nos-
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On March 11 2013 02:49 Nos- wrote: Is TPA/TPS being sponsored by Azubu now? Watching a vod of Godjj's stream, both him and Ohreal have AZUBUTPS in front of their handles. Yes | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
On March 11 2013 02:48 AsnSensation wrote: Is it just me or does Gladiator Draven looks very similar to Kratos? Would line up with the new God of War release in a few days. yeah and headhunter nidalee looks a lot like the queen of blades from hots thats coming out soon too. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 11 2013 01:08 Lylat wrote: Besides, Riot reworked champs are always good for most of them, except when they make one champ OP and nerf him like crazy like Eve :p Post-nerf Eve still played in China and Korea, at least Misaya played her in the G-League Finals in Game 1 and iG banned her for the rest of the series. Regardless of whether or not Karma could have been fixed with a few simple buffs I'm still excited for a brand new kit. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 11 2013 03:18 AsnSensation wrote: I think eve in g league was pre nerf Damn, I knew it was an old patch but I didn't think it was THAT old. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On March 11 2013 03:24 onlywonderboy wrote: Damn, I knew it was an old patch but I didn't think it was THAT old. Tournaments on old patches make me angry. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
It's almost as much as Soraka's ult at level 18(granted Soraka's ult is global) and barrier(barrier has a shorter cooldown). I know there are a lot of ignites in the current meta but heal seems to be strong in anything other than a 1v1. Say you're in a big teamfight and your team has all taken a bit of damage (more than 440) and is clumped up. Then you use heal. Even if one target is ignited, you'll still heal close to 2000 hp worth of damage. Whereas for exhaust to reduce that much damage, you'd need to use it on someone who relied on autoattacks and who would have done 2000*(1/.5)*(1/.7)/2.5=2290~ damage per second post armor mitigation.(.5 is the attack speed reduction on exhaust. .7 is 1minus the damage reduction on exhaust. 2.5 is the duration of exhaust). I know real games are not so simple and ignite is more likely to let you snowball but I rarely snowball as it is. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 11 2013 03:29 obesechicken13 wrote: Why doesn't anyone get heal ever? It's almost as much as Soraka's ult at level 18(granted Soraka's ult is global) and barrier(barrier has a shorter cooldown). I know there are a lot of ignites in the current meta but heal seems to be strong in anything other than a 1v1. Say you're in a big teamfight and your team has all taken a bit of damage (more than 440) and is clumped up. Then you use heal. Even if one target is ignited, you'll still heal close to 2000 hp worth of damage. Whereas for exhaust to reduce that much damage, you'd need to use it on someone who relied on autoattacks and who would have done 2000*(1/.5)*(1/.7)/2.5=2290~ damage per second post armor mitigation.(.5 is the attack speed reduction on exhaust. .7 is 1minus the damage reduction on exhaust. 2.5 is the duration of exhaust). I know real games are not so simple and ignite is more likely to let you snowball but I rarely snowball as it is. It's mostly due to the scenarios you described, often times summoner spells are chosen to win lanes. And usually if someone forgoes Ignite it's usually for another summoner (Cleanse for ADC or Teleport for Top). Heal CD is also really long (90 more seconds then Exhaust and Ignite) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Why? You're basically choosing between the lesser of two evils--either you retain patch parity through the entire tournament, or you're running a really outdated patch by the finals. G-League even switching to S3 patch in the first place was a break with precedent compared to what they do for DotA/WC3. The whole root of the problem is Riot's fast patch cycles being awkward for tournaments that want to maintain parity throughout the entire tournament. This has traditionally not been a problem in Western tournaments because the mode of Western tournaments is generally one-week or one-weekend affairs--but Chinese/Korean/SEA tournaments are far more likely to follow a seasonal model, and its not their fault that Riot's patching paradigm is not accommodating to this. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 11 2013 03:29 obesechicken13 wrote: Why doesn't anyone get heal ever? It's almost as much as Soraka's ult at level 18(granted Soraka's ult is global) and barrier(barrier has a shorter cooldown). I know there are a lot of ignites in the current meta but heal seems to be strong in anything other than a 1v1. Say you're in a big teamfight and your team has all taken a bit of damage (more than 440) and is clumped up. Then you use heal. Even if one target is ignited, you'll still heal close to 2000 hp worth of damage. Whereas for exhaust to reduce that much damage, you'd need to use it on someone who relied on autoattacks and who would have done 2000*(1/.5)*(1/.7)/2.5=2290~ damage per second post armor mitigation.(.5 is the attack speed reduction on exhaust. .7 is 1minus the damage reduction on exhaust. 2.5 is the duration of exhaust). I know real games are not so simple and ignite is more likely to let you snowball but I rarely snowball as it is. No one plays soraka anymore either. So, there is that. I think, mostly, that despite people talking about the "Warmogs" or "Locket" metas this is still League of Cleavers, just without Black Cleaver. Burst damage Ala Khazix, Zed, or Lux really can take a non-tanky (not just squishy) target 100-0% or 100-33% depending on the time in the game. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 11 2013 03:37 TheYango wrote: Why? You're basically choosing between the lesser of two evils--either you retain patch parity through the entire tournament, or you're running a really outdated patch by the finals. G-League even switching to S3 patch in the first place was a break with precedent compared to what they do for DotA/WC3. The whole root of the problem is Riot's fast patch cycles being awkward for tournaments that want to maintain parity throughout the entire tournament. This has traditionally not been a problem in Western tournaments because the mode of Western tournaments is generally one-week or one-weekend affairs--but Chinese/Korean/SEA tournaments are far more likely to follow a seasonal model, and its not their fault that Riot's patching paradigm is not accommodating to this. Riot is still adjusting to this with the LCS. It's another possible reason they might have hotfixed BotRK instead of waiting for the next patch is so when we get to that patch on the Tournament Realm for the LCS games it's already changed and we don't have two weeks of LCS of the Ruined King. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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chroniX
517 Posts
it is just like comparing me and my boys playing a football game for fun to a game of bayern munich. we have no overall game plan or tactic. everyone plays his role to his best and we go with it, i havent watched any other NA teams and only a few european teams playing the last months but if thats the status of the scene these guys have to get off their rockstar life and start working or lol will have the same situation as sc2. in before "nyjacky wasnt playing" , "they were trying new stuff" , "it was just a scrim".... i know and i think i know how to weight those games but it was quite obvious what was going on. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
As a huge Curse stream watcher; I can definitely tell you their communication in serious scrims is completely different than what we saw last night. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:00 Requizen wrote: I swear to fuck Pulsefire Ez is bugged. I was literally standing alone in lane attacking a minion and it didn't give me the kill. There wasn't anything else attacking it, it just did the Pulsefire animation and then disappeared, no gold or CS count. Ez needed more nerfs apparently | ||
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chroniX
517 Posts
On March 11 2013 04:29 wei2coolman wrote: Ehhh, their teamchat is quite a bit different with Nyjacky. They can rely on Nyjacky at least 10 times more than they can Liquid... Liquid stopped playing pro for a LONG time already. He was just there as a place holder. As a huge Curse stream watcher; I can definitely tell you their communication in serious scrims is completely different than what we saw last night. well i have to take your word on that but imo it is looking very grim for teams like that. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 11 2013 03:29 obesechicken13 wrote: Why doesn't anyone get heal ever? It's almost as much as Soraka's ult at level 18(granted Soraka's ult is global) and barrier(barrier has a shorter cooldown). I know there are a lot of ignites in the current meta but heal seems to be strong in anything other than a 1v1. Say you're in a big teamfight and your team has all taken a bit of damage (more than 440) and is clumped up. Then you use heal. Even if one target is ignited, you'll still heal close to 2000 hp worth of damage. Whereas for exhaust to reduce that much damage, you'd need to use it on someone who relied on autoattacks and who would have done 2000*(1/.5)*(1/.7)/2.5=2290~ damage per second post armor mitigation.(.5 is the attack speed reduction on exhaust. .7 is 1minus the damage reduction on exhaust. 2.5 is the duration of exhaust). I know real games are not so simple and ignite is more likely to let you snowball but I rarely snowball as it is. Hmmm I get heal every time if I'm a ranged support that's going to have trouble reliably exhausting or if I have some significant damage myself(on Sona it's great). Lowbie supports don't get it but I see high elo supports getting it sometimes. | ||
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