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BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 14 2013 19:31 GMT
#281
On February 15 2013 04:22 Parnage wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=34654162

Replays O_O

YES! Finally, so happy it's coming.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11439 Posts
February 14 2013 19:32 GMT
#282
On February 14 2013 19:32 RagequitBM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2013 18:48 Zizoz wrote:
Upside-down. Not backwards.


What does that change? It's still unun upside down.


Having huge amounts of difficulty carrying games with support in comparison to other roles. Maybe I'm just not good enough at support but I find it really difficult to figure out what to do if the AD carry just doesn't understand some things. I'm thinking that I should try to take more farm that he misses and then use that to buy more items, because nowadays supports with more items can make quite a significant difference due to how good support items are.

Also been playing some pokemon showdown, it's so much fun even though I find myself altering my team after like every battle because it feels like it just isn't possible to create a team that doesn't lose to anything in specific...



You're thinking inverted. If you flip it upside down like a table, it's nunu.


If you see the word "nunu" as if it is written on a 2d plane in a 3d enviroment, there are 3 axis around which you can turn it (actually there are infinite amounts, but there is really no need to go into this that deep and they can all be expressed as a combination of 3 orthogonal axis anyways). If you define them as the axis going from n to u as x, the axis that is the straight lines in the n's and u's as y, and the orthogonal to both of those which basically spears the paper that nunu is written on as z, and then turn by 180° around one of those axis, turning around x or y turns nunu to unun. Turning around z turns nunu to nunu.

I would say that turning around x or y is turning the word upside down, since it inverts on which side of the 2d plane you look, and i think defining one of the sides of the 2d plane you look at as "up" is the most intuitive. However, if you look at it from a different angle and define the positive y axis as "up", then turning it upside down does indeed turn it to "nunu". Basically, the problem here is that none of you bothered to define "up", and thus you are not talking about the same thing.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
February 14 2013 19:39 GMT
#283
You're thinking about it wayy too much. Just write nunu on a piece of paper, turn the paper upside down (rotate it by 180 degrees) and it's still nunu
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
February 14 2013 19:39 GMT
#284
Oh my god.
It's finally happened.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 14 2013 19:39 GMT
#285
On February 15 2013 04:22 Parnage wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=34654162

Replays O_O


Oh shit. Here it* comes.

* Certain Korean dominance.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-14 19:40:38
February 14 2013 19:39 GMT
#286
... The moment you realize you are surrounded by nerds.


Also wouldn't any team worth it's weight be using lolreplay previously? If they felt the need to do such.
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BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 14 2013 19:42 GMT
#287
On February 15 2013 04:32 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 19:32 RagequitBM wrote:
On February 14 2013 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
On February 14 2013 18:48 Zizoz wrote:
Upside-down. Not backwards.


What does that change? It's still unun upside down.


Having huge amounts of difficulty carrying games with support in comparison to other roles. Maybe I'm just not good enough at support but I find it really difficult to figure out what to do if the AD carry just doesn't understand some things. I'm thinking that I should try to take more farm that he misses and then use that to buy more items, because nowadays supports with more items can make quite a significant difference due to how good support items are.

Also been playing some pokemon showdown, it's so much fun even though I find myself altering my team after like every battle because it feels like it just isn't possible to create a team that doesn't lose to anything in specific...



You're thinking inverted. If you flip it upside down like a table, it's nunu.


If you see the word "nunu" as if it is written on a 2d plane in a 3d enviroment, there are 3 axis around which you can turn it (actually there are infinite amounts, but there is really no need to go into this that deep and they can all be expressed as a combination of 3 orthogonal axis anyways). If you define them as the axis going from n to u as x, the axis that is the straight lines in the n's and u's as y, and the orthogonal to both of those which basically spears the paper that nunu is written on as z, and then turn by 180° around one of those axis, turning around x or y turns nunu to unun. Turning around z turns nunu to nunu.

I would say that turning around x or y is turning the word upside down, since it inverts on which side of the 2d plane you look, and i think defining one of the sides of the 2d plane you look at as "up" is the most intuitive. However, if you look at it from a different angle and define the positive y axis as "up", then turning it upside down does indeed turn it to "nunu". Basically, the problem here is that none of you bothered to define "up", and thus you are not talking about the same thing.

That is like the most complicated way to explain the difference between flipping something upside down by rotating it sideways or towards you.
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
February 14 2013 19:44 GMT
#288
REPLAYS! Reading through the thread though, if you have a replay/game you are proud of, make sure you watch right after you played it so it can be saved locally. It won't be stored on Riot's servers for more than 7 days it seems.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
February 14 2013 19:44 GMT
#289
On February 15 2013 04:39 OutlaW- wrote:
You're thinking about it wayy too much. Just write nunu on a piece of paper, turn the paper upside down (rotate it by 180 degrees) and it's still nunu

Flips and rotations are not the same thing

nunu rotated 180 in the XY plane is nunu
nunu reflected across either the X or Y axis become unun
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 14 2013 19:45 GMT
#290
The only thing I want is an option/addon to automatically download replays from the games I've played.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 14 2013 19:49 GMT
#291
On February 15 2013 04:22 Parnage wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=34654162

Replays O_O


It's nice that replays are backward compatible (biggest problem in BW/WC3 days), but you have to watch the replay to save the replay, which is very awkward. I don't expect it to be used much tbh.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
February 14 2013 19:53 GMT
#292
On February 15 2013 04:49 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 04:22 Parnage wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=34654162

Replays O_O


It's nice that replays are backward compatible (biggest problem in BW/WC3 days), but you have to watch the replay to save the replay, which is very awkward. I don't expect it to be used much tbh.


I think that's what they want for now. Replays has been the most wanted feature for some time, and they don't want too much server strain while they do bug testing. I think they will allow for some type of auto downloading after a while.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11439 Posts
February 14 2013 19:55 GMT
#293
On February 15 2013 04:39 OutlaW- wrote:
You're thinking about it wayy too much. Just write nunu on a piece of paper, turn the paper upside down (rotate it by 180 degrees) and it's still nunu


If i turn the paper upside down, i look at a white sheet. If i use a foil instead, what i see is unun. Which is what i was just explaining there. Basically, there are two directions you can call "up" in this situation, but since one of them is on the same plane and is thus not really elevated, is would say that defining the positive z axis as "up" makes more sense.

[image loading]

Thus, if you turn the "up" side "down", you turn around either the x or the y axis, which both turns nunu into unun.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 14 2013 19:56 GMT
#294
On February 15 2013 04:53 lilwisper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 04:49 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 15 2013 04:22 Parnage wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=34654162

Replays O_O


It's nice that replays are backward compatible (biggest problem in BW/WC3 days), but you have to watch the replay to save the replay, which is very awkward. I don't expect it to be used much tbh.


I think that's what they want for now. Replays has been the most wanted feature for some time, and they don't want too much server strain while they do bug testing. I think they will allow for some type of auto downloading after a while.


But you CAN save your replay by watching it only briefly (say 1 second). TBH I would just make it so you can only download a replay every X minutes.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 14 2013 19:57 GMT
#295

Cutlass first on AD's is a kind of a big tradeoff, its a fine item and all but you are trading a huge amount of stats for a smoother ramp up and that slow. Cutlass is nicely efficient and you get the active basically free, but a BT is far far better, giving you about 1500 gold worth of bonus Ad and lifesteal when fully charged. Its delaying your big t3 items a ton because you wont even build the culass into anything until really late. T3 items give huge amounts of free stats.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-14 19:59:56
February 14 2013 19:59 GMT
#296
On February 15 2013 04:55 Simberto wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 15 2013 04:39 OutlaW- wrote:
You're thinking about it wayy too much. Just write nunu on a piece of paper, turn the paper upside down (rotate it by 180 degrees) and it's still nunu


If i turn the paper upside down, i look at a white sheet. If i use a foil instead, what i see is unun. Which is what i was just explaining there. Basically, there are two directions you can call "up" in this situation, but since one of them is on the same plane and is thus not really elevated, is would say that defining the positive z axis as "up" makes more sense.

[image loading]

Thus, if you turn the "up" side "down", you turn around either the x or the y axis, which both turns nunu into unun.


Alright, now THIS is the worst discussion we've EVER had.
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Phunkapotamus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States496 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-14 20:03:57
February 14 2013 20:01 GMT
#297
On February 15 2013 04:16 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 04:00 Phunkapotamus wrote:
I'm pretty happy that the Koreans are now building Cutlass on AD carries. I spectated a few high level games on the NA servers last night and people are starting to rush it along with multiple Doran's Blades. It will take a while for mid tier to pick up. I think you should sit on Cutlass and not upgrade until after you've gotten a better damage item though, as the BotRK onhit isn't as effective until people start stacking HP.

The meta is now this, which leads to a more reliable leveling curve for ADC.
Doran/Longsword opening
Vamp/Boots/More Doran/Pickaxe
Cutlass/More Doran
Zeal
BFSword
Boots 2

The idea being to purchase smaller items and incrementally improve rather than wait for a spike by rushing a BFSword item. If you fail to abuse your spike after the BFSword, you're behind. That being said: If you get super far ahead by lvl 6-8, BFSword is the best option to force a win in your lane.


How do you decide between dorans and longsword2pot opening?

I feel cutlass is good but definitely wouldn't grab botrk until people got mogs and whatnot.


I edited the original post, I had written it wrong and am in agreement with you about sitting on Cutlass for a while, not BotRK.

I make the distinction between Doran's and Longsword based on whether I expect harass. Vs Cait, you probably want those extra pots. Vs MF, her range means you're never going to get hit unless you eat a Q, so Dorans.

On February 15 2013 04:57 sob3k wrote:

Cutlass first on AD's is a kind of a big tradeoff, its a fine item and all but you are trading a huge amount of stats for a smoother ramp up and that slow. Cutlass is nicely efficient and you get the active basically free, but a BT is far far better, giving you about 1500 gold worth of bonus Ad and lifesteal when fully charged. Its delaying your big t3 items a ton because you wont even build the culass into anything until really late. T3 items give huge amounts of free stats.


You're right, but most people who feel that ADC are binary and have this pass/fail domination issue are people who misjudge the power curve. It's easier to incrementally upgrade rather than hedge money for larger gains.
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BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 14 2013 20:02 GMT
#298
On February 15 2013 04:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 04:55 Simberto wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 15 2013 04:39 OutlaW- wrote:
You're thinking about it wayy too much. Just write nunu on a piece of paper, turn the paper upside down (rotate it by 180 degrees) and it's still nunu


If i turn the paper upside down, i look at a white sheet. If i use a foil instead, what i see is unun. Which is what i was just explaining there. Basically, there are two directions you can call "up" in this situation, but since one of them is on the same plane and is thus not really elevated, is would say that defining the positive z axis as "up" makes more sense.

[image loading]

Thus, if you turn the "up" side "down", you turn around either the x or the y axis, which both turns nunu into unun.


Alright, now THIS is the worst discussion we've EVER had.

Just continue... It's becoming the most awesome discussion I read on this board.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
February 14 2013 20:02 GMT
#299
On February 15 2013 04:45 Seuss wrote:
The only thing I want is an option/addon to automatically download replays from the games I've played.

I imagine Riot will add this feature as it's already being asked for.
If they don't I'm sure that someone will create an auto-downloader.
As is you don't have to watch the replay right after from what I understand. You can go to the 'Show folder' option and manually save it.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 14 2013 20:05 GMT
#300
If you get Doran first and attack 60 times, you get back the 2 pots worth of regen. Since you also get 80 HP, I guess you just need 44 hits.

But the problem of course is that against certain lanes (bursty ones such as Leona or Taric), you might be brought down so low in HP that it would be impossible to continue to hit minions and get zoned.
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