EPT[Patch 3.02: Fake Quinn] General Discussion - Page 136
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 26 2013 03:57 Sufficiency wrote: I feel that Caitlin is good because she kites melee really hard. In season 2 she sucked because as ad carry you were supposed to 3 shot everyone and she couldn't do that. She was really strong in s2 as well... just underplayed. She could crush lane EXTREMELY hard, it was a shame she didn't see same level of play in S2 (but if you did notice, more people started playing her at end of S2). | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:13 ticklishmusic wrote: Calm those tits, I said a little overpowered. Is it okay to say that "Given the current meta which places a focus on pushing and midgame, Caitlyn's kit makes her a very strong pick"? I'd say her early/mid game is quite strong. Unless her side is just much worse, she will definitely get some sort of CS lead over her opponent. Having traps and net, combined with her range, makes her a really safe pick. She also does pretty good against some of the more popular AD's, like Graves and Ezreal. She probably has less damage than every other AD before her first big item. She is not a safe pick because the game might end before she does damage. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:13 Roffles wrote: With Darius, we've probably got a Xin 2.0 coming. Stomps too many bads, yet is completely useless in the professional scene. Riot listens to garbage players and nerfs repeatedly until they rework him to be the most OP piece of shit in the game.  he is beast in competitive what | ||
UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On February 26 2013 03:55 zulu_nation8 wrote: WHAT DOES THIS MEAN I DONT UNDERSTAND Total respect for your argument and all but I don't see how that can possibly be confusing. It's both factually true (they expected him to be a sustained damage dealer like singed or tanky cho and he just kind of accidentally slipped into being bursty as they kept fiddling with him) and easily understood, so...? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Piltover less mana and a way better animation/windup Ult also a small buff. Calling her super strong in s2 and underplayed isn't completely right imo, especially in the era of the holy trinity. The windup change on MF's bullettime also significantly improved my experience playing with her. That and of course and AOE armor shred haha. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: so Riot has said that they wanted someone with a 500 true damage ult to be a singed like sustain damage champion instead? I guess you could say that'd be....... toxic. AWWWW YEAAAAHHHH In all seriousness; Darius was fine where he was, just because people were dumb enough to trade with him lane are the vocal majority... On February 26 2013 04:29 AsnSensation wrote: People seem to forgot that Cait got pretty decent buffs/qol Piltover less mana and a way better animation/windup Ult also a small buff. Calling her super strong in s2 and underplayed isn't completely right imo, especially in the era of the holy trinity. The windup change on MF's bullettime also significantly improved my experience playing with her. That and of course and AOE armor shred haha. Did you see DL play Cait? He originally thought Graves was complete AD trash because everytime he played Cait against Graves, he would COMPLETELY crush the graves; wouldn't be uncommon to see him have like 100 cs advantage after laning phase in S2. Now obviously his conclusion that Graves was a bad AD was wrong; but the idea was that Cait had a good niche against a lot of champions (not just graves). Holy trinity was just really strong during s2; but Cait definitely had a spot in any lineup imo. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: so Riot has said that they wanted someone with a 500 true damage ult to be a singed like sustain damage champion instead? few different angles I can take with this 1) Yes, they have? You think I'm just making that up? Fuck off, go look it up yourself. 2) Is that supposed to be impossible or something? It works fine for cho 3) Maybe that's one of the things they changed that made him more bursty. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: so Riot has said that they wanted someone with a 500 true damage ult to be a singed like sustain damage champion instead? I think the intention was that it would have to be an extended fight for the passive stacks to up his ult's damage to that high a level. Issue is they lowballed that # for what they wanted. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:40 UniversalSnip wrote: few different angles I can take with this 1) Yes, they have? You think I'm just making that up? Fuck off, go look it up yourself. 2) Is that supposed to be impossible or something? It works fine for cho 3) Maybe that's one of the things they changed that made him more bursty. The answer is that in order to get the most out of Darius's true damage, you have to stack up bleed stacks on your target first. You need to do some 'sustained' damage first before you can get your burst-damage reward. Yes, this doesn't actually change the fact that he's bursty. + Show Spoiler + Of course, if he gets multiple resets on his ult, doesn't that count as 'sustained' damage? heheheh... One Rioter put out the idea that Darius could be reworked so his bleed stacks up to 10 times, and the scalings based on bleed stacks changing so that ~8 of the new stacks = 5 of the old ones. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:40 UniversalSnip wrote: 2) Is that supposed to be impossible or something? It works fine for cho I wouldn't say Cho has a lot of sustain damage. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:16 MooMooMugi wrote: How do you wall against PvZ anyway? Is it pylon forge cannon cannon nexus or pylon forge cannon gateway nexus? Both are wrong. 14 pool or later, you can pylon forge nexus cannon gate (one more building block for ~5-10 secs depending on map if he sends lings asap). My memory is kinda fuzzy on what the responses are to things earlier than 14 that isn't a 6/7 pool though. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:58 xes wrote: I wouldn't say Cho has a lot of sustain damage. More like just sustain to keep him in lane forever, therefore he's continually doing dmg to you via spells. And then if you get low enough combo you down with ult. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:53 thenexusp wrote: The answer is that in order to get the most out of Darius's true damage, you have to stack up bleed stacks on your target first. You need to do some 'sustained' damage first before you can get your burst-damage reward. Yes, this doesn't actually change the fact that he's bursty. + Show Spoiler + Of course, if he gets multiple resets on his ult, doesn't that count as 'sustained' damage? heheheh... One Rioter put out the idea that Darius could be reworked so his bleed stacks up to 10 times, and the scalings based on bleed stacks changing so that ~8 of the new stacks = 5 of the old ones. It was Morello: http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22848-the-news-roundup-more-on-the-new-league-system-in | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On February 26 2013 04:16 MooMooMugi wrote: How do you wall against PvZ anyway? Is it pylon forge cannon cannon nexus or pylon forge cannon gateway nexus? zealot wall is best wall! and it depends what you want to do with nexus first or forge first. if you scout 9 pool you go forge at 10 and 2 cannons otherwise 12 nex i think. anyway... on topic... these darius changes are awkward. i think that if the changes do go through, that they give the grace period on the ulti reset back aka doesn't have to ks kills for resets | ||
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