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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 25 2013 04:03 GMT
#2601
As far as EU goes, Krepo, Edward (formerly known as GosuPepper) and nRated are all pretty awesome to watch. Krepo and Edward stream solo/duoqueue a lot - I particularly enjoy watching them duo with someone because you really see the support shot-calling come into play.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 25 2013 04:03 GMT
#2602
On February 25 2013 11:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:47 YouGotNothin wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:42 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:54 YouGotNothin wrote:
I know that the Asian supports are known as the best in the world, but I was wondering, within both the EU and NA scenes are there any supports that are widely regarded as being "the best"? It seems to me hard to me to gauge the best supports as their effect on games is more subtle than other roles.

Chauster; back in S2. Easily the best in NA.

Right now because of stats; Patoy is the "best". NA supports are pretty underdeveloped in play.


Dang, because NA games are the ones I enjoy most to watch, and support is my favorite role, I wish I had caught Chauster in his support-playing time.

Elementz has gotten pretty good at laning phase for support; might be able to learn a little bit watching Curse scrims. (his team fighting still suspect imo).
Patoy's strength is teamfighting; his laning phase is pretty standard support, nothing amazing.


Elementz has just reached the level where all other supports are for lane, his laning isn't any more amazing than others. Rhux taking his spot for a small amount of time definitely lit a fire under his ass.
Hey! How you doin'?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 25 2013 04:11 GMT
#2603
On February 25 2013 13:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:47 YouGotNothin wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:42 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:54 YouGotNothin wrote:
I know that the Asian supports are known as the best in the world, but I was wondering, within both the EU and NA scenes are there any supports that are widely regarded as being "the best"? It seems to me hard to me to gauge the best supports as their effect on games is more subtle than other roles.

Chauster; back in S2. Easily the best in NA.

Right now because of stats; Patoy is the "best". NA supports are pretty underdeveloped in play.


Dang, because NA games are the ones I enjoy most to watch, and support is my favorite role, I wish I had caught Chauster in his support-playing time.

Elementz has gotten pretty good at laning phase for support; might be able to learn a little bit watching Curse scrims. (his team fighting still suspect imo).
Patoy's strength is teamfighting; his laning phase is pretty standard support, nothing amazing.


Elementz has just reached the level where all other supports are for lane, his laning isn't any more amazing than others. Rhux taking his spot for a small amount of time definitely lit a fire under his ass.

Perhaps; but he does seem to have better synchro with cop, than other supports have with their AD's.
liftlift > tsm
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 25 2013 04:29 GMT
#2604
On February 25 2013 13:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 13:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:47 YouGotNothin wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:42 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:54 YouGotNothin wrote:
I know that the Asian supports are known as the best in the world, but I was wondering, within both the EU and NA scenes are there any supports that are widely regarded as being "the best"? It seems to me hard to me to gauge the best supports as their effect on games is more subtle than other roles.

Chauster; back in S2. Easily the best in NA.

Right now because of stats; Patoy is the "best". NA supports are pretty underdeveloped in play.


Dang, because NA games are the ones I enjoy most to watch, and support is my favorite role, I wish I had caught Chauster in his support-playing time.

Elementz has gotten pretty good at laning phase for support; might be able to learn a little bit watching Curse scrims. (his team fighting still suspect imo).
Patoy's strength is teamfighting; his laning phase is pretty standard support, nothing amazing.


Elementz has just reached the level where all other supports are for lane, his laning isn't any more amazing than others. Rhux taking his spot for a small amount of time definitely lit a fire under his ass.

Perhaps; but he does seem to have better synchro with cop, than other supports have with their AD's.


That's more likely because Cop is the ideal solid AD, especially early game. He masses games with the same champs (I wonder if he ever gets sick of Ezreal?) so that Elementz can practice his game with a consistent performance from his ally. Getting a bit off-topic I'd actually say that Cop's want to always be solid on AD prevent him from really opening up a can of whoop ass and shining like he should. For how sick talented he is, idk if it's an inability to adapt on his feet or what, but he strikes me as a AD with all ability in the world to be a top AD but somehow just under-performs to the point of frustration if you're a Cop fan.

But yeah, Elementz is good, I won't say he's not when he is. I just feel he's more carried by Cop than other supports who do carry their ADs a bit more (Ed Ward aka Gosu Pepper aka Immortalrus I'm looking at you).
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 25 2013 04:42 GMT
#2605
Curse has a pretty balanced farm allocation; and recent nerfs to ADC item choices make it hard for Cop to be amazing looking. But, it really does fit the way Curse plays. He doesn't take unnecessary risk; he's always a significant part in doing damage in teamfights. His champ pools improved quite a bit too; Though he does favor certain champs quite a bit more, he has shown he can play other champs as well (eg. ashe).
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 25 2013 04:50 GMT
#2606
OK flame shield on.

I think Cop is a pretty decent player. He plays conservatively and rarely makes big plays, but he is fairly consistent (i.e. no facepalm-inducing plays that imqtpie sometimes does) and gets the job done.

Elementz seems to be getting better, but I am still not convinced that he is even remotely similar in level to other top NA teams' support players.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 25 2013 04:55 GMT
#2607
On February 25 2013 13:50 Sufficiency wrote:
OK flame shield on.

I think Cop is a pretty decent player. He plays conservatively and rarely makes big plays, but he is fairly consistent (i.e. no facepalm-inducing plays that imqtpie sometimes does) and gets the job done.

Elementz seems to be getting better, but I am still not convinced that he is even remotely similar in level to other top NA teams' support players.

Pretty accurate. I remember there was an interview with Cop where he talked about his team being on his ass for not making plays (This was during the Holy Trinity of ADC because he commented specifically on Valk-ing into a fight to clean up instead of using it to run away). Elementz had improved since he took back his spot from Rhux but agreed he isn't near the top NA support. Him and Cop just work well together. Curse's Bot lane is probably their weakest link but they are far from bad, just solid as opposed to amazing.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 25 2013 05:09 GMT
#2608
On February 25 2013 13:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 13:50 Sufficiency wrote:
OK flame shield on.

I think Cop is a pretty decent player. He plays conservatively and rarely makes big plays, but he is fairly consistent (i.e. no facepalm-inducing plays that imqtpie sometimes does) and gets the job done.

Elementz seems to be getting better, but I am still not convinced that he is even remotely similar in level to other top NA teams' support players.

Pretty accurate. I remember there was an interview with Cop where he talked about his team being on his ass for not making plays (This was during the Holy Trinity of ADC because he commented specifically on Valk-ing into a fight to clean up instead of using it to run away). Elementz had improved since he took back his spot from Rhux but agreed he isn't near the top NA support. Him and Cop just work well together. Curse's Bot lane is probably their weakest link but they are far from bad, just solid as opposed to amazing.

Well thats not saying much; when Voyboy and Nyjacky are arguably the best in their lane in NA....
liftlift > tsm
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 25 2013 05:10 GMT
#2609
Being a weak link in curse isn't hard, they are so solid all around. I can't think of very many NA AD carries I would want on my team over cop. Especially with ad carries being a little weaker than in the past, consistency is definitely something to be valued.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 25 2013 05:18 GMT
#2610
On February 25 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 13:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:50 Sufficiency wrote:
OK flame shield on.

I think Cop is a pretty decent player. He plays conservatively and rarely makes big plays, but he is fairly consistent (i.e. no facepalm-inducing plays that imqtpie sometimes does) and gets the job done.

Elementz seems to be getting better, but I am still not convinced that he is even remotely similar in level to other top NA teams' support players.

Pretty accurate. I remember there was an interview with Cop where he talked about his team being on his ass for not making plays (This was during the Holy Trinity of ADC because he commented specifically on Valk-ing into a fight to clean up instead of using it to run away). Elementz had improved since he took back his spot from Rhux but agreed he isn't near the top NA support. Him and Cop just work well together. Curse's Bot lane is probably their weakest link but they are far from bad, just solid as opposed to amazing.

Well thats not saying much; when Voyboy and Nyjacky are arguably the best in their lane in NA....


I don't think many people could argue that there's a better top laner in the LCS.

I happen to think that some of the AP mids on the lower tiered LCS teams are really good and could potentially challenge Nyjacky for that title (specifically mandatorycloud and if we could see more games from him I think Shiphtur looks really good).
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
February 25 2013 05:55 GMT
#2611
On February 25 2013 14:10 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Being a weak link in curse isn't hard, they are so solid all around. I can't think of very many NA AD carries I would want on my team over cop. Especially with ad carries being a little weaker than in the past, consistency is definitely something to be valued.


This is why I like Curse as a team, they aren't super flashy except maybe Voyboy, but they are very solid, their weakest link (arguably bot) is still really good. And man it seems there are a lot of Curse fanboys in TL.
I got nothin'...
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 25 2013 05:58 GMT
#2612
On February 25 2013 14:18 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:50 Sufficiency wrote:
OK flame shield on.

I think Cop is a pretty decent player. He plays conservatively and rarely makes big plays, but he is fairly consistent (i.e. no facepalm-inducing plays that imqtpie sometimes does) and gets the job done.

Elementz seems to be getting better, but I am still not convinced that he is even remotely similar in level to other top NA teams' support players.

Pretty accurate. I remember there was an interview with Cop where he talked about his team being on his ass for not making plays (This was during the Holy Trinity of ADC because he commented specifically on Valk-ing into a fight to clean up instead of using it to run away). Elementz had improved since he took back his spot from Rhux but agreed he isn't near the top NA support. Him and Cop just work well together. Curse's Bot lane is probably their weakest link but they are far from bad, just solid as opposed to amazing.

Well thats not saying much; when Voyboy and Nyjacky are arguably the best in their lane in NA....


I don't think many people could argue that there's a better top laner in the LCS.

I happen to think that some of the AP mids on the lower tiered LCS teams are really good and could potentially challenge Nyjacky for that title (specifically mandatorycloud and if we could see more games from him I think Shiphtur looks really good).


Nonsense, Jacky is a great midlaner. He's really fantastic on the champions he's known for, and has a very wide champion pool. His biggest struggle is carrying hard enough for Saint to be happy, and their team chat is almost always Saint ordering Jacky around. His Veigar scary as shit.

I laned against him back in the UnR days too, was the most fun I had picking a counterpick to him and barely winning lane (Galio vs Cass).
Hey! How you doin'?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 25 2013 06:00 GMT
#2613
KETARA IS A FUCKING QUITTER AND A LOSER

User was warned for this post
It's your boy Guzma!
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 25 2013 06:03 GMT
#2614
Thresh is really bullshit to play against zzz
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 25 2013 06:05 GMT
#2615
On February 25 2013 15:00 Requizen wrote:
KETARA IS A FUCKING QUITTER AND A LOSER


Rage much?
Hey! How you doin'?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 25 2013 06:06 GMT
#2616
On February 25 2013 15:05 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 15:00 Requizen wrote:
KETARA IS A FUCKING QUITTER AND A LOSER


Rage much?

No man we almost won at 4v5.
It's your boy Guzma!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
February 25 2013 06:06 GMT
#2617
On February 25 2013 15:00 Requizen wrote:
KETARA IS A FUCKING QUITTER AND A LOSER

Who?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 25 2013 06:06 GMT
#2618
On February 25 2013 15:00 Requizen wrote:
KETARA IS A FUCKING QUITTER AND A LOSER

Talk about non-sequiter.
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 25 2013 06:18 GMT
#2619
I told him to post it in the QQ thread but whatevs.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 25 2013 06:24 GMT
#2620
On February 25 2013 15:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
I told him to post it in the QQ thread but whatevs.


Req has proven he can dodge bans, even perms.
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