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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On February 25 2013 06:45 Lmui wrote: Alright fuck AP tryndamere. How the fuck are you supposed to deal with it. I figured that 3x exhausts between jungler, top and support would allow us to win teamfights but if he has nashors+lich and all he does is split push we literally can't do anything. Ungankable later on and if his team also just pressures anything on the map you can't fucking deal with him. I've been picking Jax top and rushing exec calling, into BoTRK and a defensive item (GA or mogs). You dominate him in lane and can split push just as well if you take teleport. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On February 25 2013 05:45 Sermokala wrote: If the proposed rework to tarics w comes in wardens rush taric is going to become an amazing thing that I totaly had so long ago. What are said changes? Interested now | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
After the changes I want to try taric jungle. Might be a thing when it kinda worked before and will work now. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On February 25 2013 06:45 Lmui wrote: Alright fuck AP tryndamere. How the fuck are you supposed to deal with it. I figured that 3x exhausts between jungler, top and support would allow us to win teamfights but if he has nashors+lich and all he does is split push we literally can't do anything. Ungankable later on and if his team also just pressures anything on the map you can't fucking deal with him. Akali wins the lane but later in the game he can still 1v1 you if you are around equally strong. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
Last game for example, I was Tristana + Nunu vs. GP + Talon. I guess Nunu is not the best support vs a lane like this, but I can't imagine another support to be of any more use. I couldn't really cs until they pushed to our turret. GP Q + Talon W is just too much harass to take for a single CS. So, at 11 minutes I only had 2x Doran's Blade, Vamp Sceptre and Ninja Tabi (I guess with Nunu W I could allow myself to go that), but all it did was to prevent me from feeding. When their mid came bot at 13ish and we got both killed, Talon + GP finally had free reign on us. So, what do I do as an AD? I'm scared that it could have been even worse if I hadn't been Tristana, but let's say Vayne / Ashe instead... | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On February 25 2013 07:37 little fancy wrote: Hi guys, need some general advice. I don't know where it comes from (maybe someone played it in LCS last weekend?), but recently I had to face a lot of 1x bruiser + 1x AD assassin lanes as a dedicated AD plyer. Last game for example, I was Tristana + Nunu vs. GP + Talon. I guess Nunu is not the best support vs a lane like this, but I can't imagine another support to be of any more use. I couldn't really cs until they pushed to our turret. GP Q + Talon W is just too much harass to take for a single CS. So, at 11 minutes I only had 2x Doran's Blade, Vamp Sceptre and Ninja Tabi (I guess with Nunu W I could allow myself to go that), but all it did was to prevent me from feeding. When their mid came bot at 13ish and we got both killed, Talon + GP finally had free reign on us. So, what do I do as an AD? I'm scared that it could have been even worse if I hadn't been Tristana, but let's say Vayne / Ashe instead... Abuse the fact that you move faster and out range them. Talon + GP wont kill you in a single parlay/w, you probably got hit by it got scared then backed off. Make sure that you get your damage in when they poke you, and i think if you near full hp you can just snowball talon and kite them if talon goes in. Make sure you have bushes warded so you can poke them freely and don't let them close distance to you for free. Vs double melee you really should just be autoing non stop early game to get the advantage, especially with nunu support. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 25 2013 07:37 little fancy wrote: Hi guys, need some general advice. I don't know where it comes from (maybe someone played it in LCS last weekend?), but recently I had to face a lot of 1x bruiser + 1x AD assassin lanes as a dedicated AD plyer. Last game for example, I was Tristana + Nunu vs. GP + Talon. I guess Nunu is not the best support vs a lane like this, but I can't imagine another support to be of any more use. I couldn't really cs until they pushed to our turret. GP Q + Talon W is just too much harass to take for a single CS. So, at 11 minutes I only had 2x Doran's Blade, Vamp Sceptre and Ninja Tabi (I guess with Nunu W I could allow myself to go that), but all it did was to prevent me from feeding. When their mid came bot at 13ish and we got both killed, Talon + GP finally had free reign on us. So, what do I do as an AD? I'm scared that it could have been even worse if I hadn't been Tristana, but let's say Vayne / Ashe instead... 9-21-0 masteries, Doran Shields, Blade of the Ruined King. | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On February 25 2013 07:37 little fancy wrote: Hi guys, need some general advice. I don't know where it comes from (maybe someone played it in LCS last weekend?), but recently I had to face a lot of 1x bruiser + 1x AD assassin lanes as a dedicated AD plyer. Last game for example, I was Tristana + Nunu vs. GP + Talon. I guess Nunu is not the best support vs a lane like this, but I can't imagine another support to be of any more use. I couldn't really cs until they pushed to our turret. GP Q + Talon W is just too much harass to take for a single CS. So, at 11 minutes I only had 2x Doran's Blade, Vamp Sceptre and Ninja Tabi (I guess with Nunu W I could allow myself to go that), but all it did was to prevent me from feeding. When their mid came bot at 13ish and we got both killed, Talon + GP finally had free reign on us. So, what do I do as an AD? I'm scared that it could have been even worse if I hadn't been Tristana, but let's say Vayne / Ashe instead... It doesn't really help that both Trist and Nunu have bad laning phases. Caitlyn, Ezreal, and Graves are especially good ADs against this kind of lane. All three can farm safely and all three can harass the enemy duo very safely. I think that Alistar is really good against duo bruiser because they cannot initiate fights on you if you have Ali. Blitz is also good against some duos if he pulls the right target (in your example he might not be that great if he pulls a level 6 Talon for example as Talon might just ult stealth and kill you but if he pulled GP you could probably get him really low). Taric is good too cause of armor aura and I would assume Thresh is good against this kind of lane because Thresh is a god at laning. You basically just get free harass, CS when it's safe, and don't die. You do those three things and you win the lane ezpz. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12076 Posts
On February 25 2013 08:04 Sufficiency wrote: 9-21-0 masteries, Doran Shields, Blade of the Ruined King. Ideally, you want more range, so you probably want to be cait or ez against that kind of lane. Trist gains her range per level, so during the critical phase she is pretty shortranged. Then, you need to look at what they can do. If they are a strong level 2-3 killlane, try to convince your jungler to be there for their allin at level 2 or 3. That one factor can win the whole lane. Try to get a pokey support with cc, i'd say lulu would be a good choice. You outrange them, should be able to disengage if they jump you, kite them, and turn and punish them as soon as they turn around. Generally speaking, your jungler should give a lot of attention to your lane, as your enemies need to play pretty aggressive. If they don't get kills or zone you, an assassin or bruiser without money gets bad pretty fast. But basically, the main problem there was probably that Trist + Nunu sucks as a lane in general, but even moreso against that kind of matchup. Nunu just does not offer anything that trist wants in lane, and due to her Q his w is not that overwhelming on her either, especially after the nerfs. You need to be able to either win hard fights or poke them harder then they poke you while being save from being jumped. The first is pretty hard to achieve against that kind of lane, but it might be possible with something like graves + leona. For the second, you would pick something like cait lulu for example. Basically, pick a lane that works, not random support + random second rate ADC. That tends to work out better in general. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On February 25 2013 07:37 little fancy wrote: Hi guys, need some general advice. I don't know where it comes from (maybe someone played it in LCS last weekend?), but recently I had to face a lot of 1x bruiser + 1x AD assassin lanes as a dedicated AD plyer. Last game for example, I was Tristana + Nunu vs. GP + Talon. I guess Nunu is not the best support vs a lane like this, but I can't imagine another support to be of any more use. I couldn't really cs until they pushed to our turret. GP Q + Talon W is just too much harass to take for a single CS. So, at 11 minutes I only had 2x Doran's Blade, Vamp Sceptre and Ninja Tabi (I guess with Nunu W I could allow myself to go that), but all it did was to prevent me from feeding. When their mid came bot at 13ish and we got both killed, Talon + GP finally had free reign on us. So, what do I do as an AD? I'm scared that it could have been even worse if I hadn't been Tristana, but let's say Vayne / Ashe instead... I think you just survive until late game which is harder said than done. GP Talon is a tough lane as are lanes that incorporate Jarvan, Leona, Sion, Taric, Renekton. If they 3v2 dive you under tower and neither your mid nor jungle are near, you guys may die, but you should at least get a kill or 2 with tower unless you get unlucky, and that just happens. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 25 2013 07:37 little fancy wrote: Hi guys, need some general advice. I don't know where it comes from (maybe someone played it in LCS last weekend?), but recently I had to face a lot of 1x bruiser + 1x AD assassin lanes as a dedicated AD plyer. Last game for example, I was Tristana + Nunu vs. GP + Talon. I guess Nunu is not the best support vs a lane like this, but I can't imagine another support to be of any more use. I couldn't really cs until they pushed to our turret. GP Q + Talon W is just too much harass to take for a single CS. So, at 11 minutes I only had 2x Doran's Blade, Vamp Sceptre and Ninja Tabi (I guess with Nunu W I could allow myself to go that), but all it did was to prevent me from feeding. When their mid came bot at 13ish and we got both killed, Talon + GP finally had free reign on us. So, what do I do as an AD? I'm scared that it could have been even worse if I hadn't been Tristana, but let's say Vayne / Ashe instead... I had a hilarious game where I played Rammus support against a Kat+Talon lane. Not quite you were talking about, but we won pretty hard. They'd try to jump my AD, I'd taunt Talon, disrupt Kat and make them sit in my ult. It's a one game sample, but I think Rammus has some pretty sick peel against some weird bot lane shutdown comps. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On February 25 2013 09:00 Sufficiency wrote: BTW, I wish more ADCs would be more willing to run 9-21-0. With bruisers and single target initiators running amok (Xin Vi), I feel that most ADCs spend their teamfights running away to stay alive instead of trying to do damage. Might as well run 21 defense imo. Your laning phase will be retardedly strong with it. I've been running the WX 19-11-0 set up. It's pretty cool although I do miss the mana regen, Flash CD and Buff time masteries. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
That said what's 19/11/0, wasn't that pre s3. | ||
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