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On February 06 2013 08:12 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 07:37 NpG)Explosive wrote:On February 06 2013 07:27 Requizen wrote:On February 06 2013 07:25 Usagi wrote:On February 06 2013 07:17 Ketara wrote:
And Liandry's proc is getting a significant damage buff in these PBE changes. Big big buff for some champs. Im sick of Liandry with teemo mushrooms taking half of my hp -_- That has more to do with the high base damage and AP scaling + Guise MPen than it does with the proc, which is halved. Actually, is it quartered since it's both AoE and DoT? I don't think so, but I don't build it on anyone but Elise. I fI understand the wiki correctly, AoE changes nothing to the damage. DoT means it's only applied for 1.5 sec rather than 3 sec, but I guess every tick of the DoT will apply the damage (can someone confirm?). The slow means the damage is doubled. Overall I think you underestimate the extra damage from Liandry's torment. Teemos Shrooms with Liandrys are slightly weird, because the buff gets refreshed all the time, which eats some ticks. Note that all the restrictions from AE and DOT always just influence the duration, not the amount of damge it does, which is increased by the slow. If i recall my testing correctly, Liandry's off a teemo shroom gets 4 double damage ticks and 3 non-doubled ticks, because the refreshing by the dot always eats one tick.
Yeah, it's the old teemo bug where he would not get any poison ticks at over 1.000 attack speed, rearing its ugly head again!
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The big buff to Liandry's if the patch notes are correct is that AoE and DoT damage abilities will do the full 3 second duration, not 1.5
So it will be doing twice as much damage with Teemo Shrooms as it was before. Good buff for the item, it's situationally not bad but a little lackluster atm.
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You guys havent realized yet
Riot releasing Apple themed blitz
Riot releasing Mac Client
no co-incidence obv apple bought shares huehuehue
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Is landry any good on Diana ? It might comes of as a dumb question, I build it from time to time, but I never know what to think of this item. I sometime build hauting guise in the early level when I feel I need some dmg and survavibility early (after the seeker item usually it's good against ad mid), but tend to go for something else afterward and forget to upgrade it if I ever buy it.
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On February 06 2013 08:12 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 07:37 NpG)Explosive wrote:On February 06 2013 07:27 Requizen wrote:On February 06 2013 07:25 Usagi wrote:On February 06 2013 07:17 Ketara wrote:
And Liandry's proc is getting a significant damage buff in these PBE changes. Big big buff for some champs. Im sick of Liandry with teemo mushrooms taking half of my hp -_- That has more to do with the high base damage and AP scaling + Guise MPen than it does with the proc, which is halved. Actually, is it quartered since it's both AoE and DoT? I don't think so, but I don't build it on anyone but Elise. I fI understand the wiki correctly, AoE changes nothing to the damage. DoT means it's only applied for 1.5 sec rather than 3 sec, but I guess every tick of the DoT will apply the damage (can someone confirm?). The slow means the damage is doubled. Overall I think you underestimate the extra damage from Liandry's torment. Teemos Shrooms with Liandrys are slightly weird, because the buff gets refreshed all the time, which eats some ticks. Note that all the restrictions from AE and DOT always just influence the duration, not the amount of damge it does, which is increased by the slow. If i recall my testing correctly, Liandry's off a teemo shroom gets 4 double damage ticks and 3 non-doubled ticks, because the refreshing by the dot always eats one tick.
iirc Monte said it ticks every half-second, but while Naut's W and Teemo's E only refresh the duration when you hit again (it doesn't override the "starting time" of the DoT, which is used to determine when the ticks occur), Liandry's refresh the DoT altogether.
So if you trigger Liandry with a DoT ticking faster than it (Malz' W ticks every 0.25s for example) you'll eat away almost every tick (depending if it first ticks when the damage occur, or 0.5s later) and you'll also tend to reduce the mean damage done.
Below spoiler needs to be proof-read by somebody who know it better than me, but if I get it right Liandry determines the full-damage of its DoT every time a spell applies damage, rather than determine the subsequent ticks damage after each of its own?
+ Show Spoiler +Assuming your DoT ticks every second, you'll have 2 Liandry ticks of "start health" damage, then 2 ticks of "1s damage health", etc.
If it ticks every half-second, you'll have 1 Liandry tick of "start health" damage, one of "0.5s damage", one of "1s damage", etc. Since the 0.5s tick is weaker than another "start health" one, you'll do reduced damage overall.
And I don't think ticks getting eaten is a bug: the item's description pretty much tells us Riot intends it to be weakened somewhat on DoTs to counteract the overall greater damage they could output through sheer duration.
Oh wait I didn't look closely enough, it doesn't shortens duration for DoTs or AoE anymore and it doesn't reduce the damage to compensate either. Wtf. Swain's Liandry hai. ~24% current health (diminishing every 2 or so) with a EQ combo if it doesn't eat away too many ticks wtf.
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On February 06 2013 08:27 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 08:12 Simberto wrote:On February 06 2013 07:37 NpG)Explosive wrote:On February 06 2013 07:27 Requizen wrote:On February 06 2013 07:25 Usagi wrote:On February 06 2013 07:17 Ketara wrote:
And Liandry's proc is getting a significant damage buff in these PBE changes. Big big buff for some champs. Im sick of Liandry with teemo mushrooms taking half of my hp -_- That has more to do with the high base damage and AP scaling + Guise MPen than it does with the proc, which is halved. Actually, is it quartered since it's both AoE and DoT? I don't think so, but I don't build it on anyone but Elise. I fI understand the wiki correctly, AoE changes nothing to the damage. DoT means it's only applied for 1.5 sec rather than 3 sec, but I guess every tick of the DoT will apply the damage (can someone confirm?). The slow means the damage is doubled. Overall I think you underestimate the extra damage from Liandry's torment. Teemos Shrooms with Liandrys are slightly weird, because the buff gets refreshed all the time, which eats some ticks. Note that all the restrictions from AE and DOT always just influence the duration, not the amount of damge it does, which is increased by the slow. If i recall my testing correctly, Liandry's off a teemo shroom gets 4 double damage ticks and 3 non-doubled ticks, because the refreshing by the dot always eats one tick. iirc Monte said it ticks every half-second, but while Naut's W and Teemo's E only refresh the duration when you hit again (it doesn't override the "starting time" of the DoT, which is used to determine when the ticks occur), Liandry's refresh the DoT altogether. So if you trigger Liandry with a DoT ticking faster than it (Malz' W ticks every 0.25s for example) you'll eat away almost every tick (depending if it first ticks when the damage occur, or 0.5s later) and you'll also tend to reduce the mean damage done. Below spoiler needs to be proof-read by somebody who know it better than me, but if I get it right Liandry determines the full-damage of its DoT every time a spell applies damage, rather than determine the subsequent ticks damage after each of its own? + Show Spoiler +Assuming your DoT ticks every second, you'll have 2 Liandry ticks of "start health" damage, then 2 ticks of "1s damage health", etc.
If it ticks every half-second, you'll have 1 Liandry tick of "start health" damage, one of "0.5s damage", one of "1s damage", etc. Since the 0.5s tick is weaker than another "start health" one, you'll do reduced damage overall. And I don't think ticks getting eaten is a bug: the item's description pretty much tells us Riot intends it to be weakened somewhat on DoTs to counteract the overall greater damage they could output through sheer duration. Oh wait I didn't look closely enough, it doesn't shortens duration for DoTs or AoE anymore and it doesn't reduce the damage to compensate either. Wtf. Swain's Liandry hai. ~24% current health (diminishing every 2 or so) with a EQ combo if it doesn't eat away too many ticks wtf.
If the PBE change means liandry's is going to tick every second instead of every half second, pretty much every single DoT in the game is going to munch all of the ticks until the DoT wears off.
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If a Liandry's change means that they'll revert Teemo's nerfs, then that would be great. Haven't played any badger since the big nerf to his ult base damage and E ratio.
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Can I get some PBE help? I have a friend who's coming back to play LoL with the release of the new Mac client. I was wondering if I could play on PBE with him but I'm not sure how to get an account there.
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I'm confused about Liandry's, it seems like a nerf to me...at least for single target spells. Goes down from 5% to 2%. So is it just buffed for DOTs and AOE? I think I'm missing something.
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On February 06 2013 09:15 HazMat wrote:
Can I get some PBE help? I have a friend who's coming back to play LoL with the release of the new Mac client. I was wondering if I could play on PBE with him but I'm not sure how to get an account there.
You can only sign up for an account during the first three days of the month. Your last chance for this month was on Sunday.
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On February 06 2013 09:19 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 09:15 HazMat wrote:
Can I get some PBE help? I have a friend who's coming back to play LoL with the release of the new Mac client. I was wondering if I could play on PBE with him but I'm not sure how to get an account there. You can only sign up for an account during the first three days of the month. Your last chance for this month was on Sunday.
Ah lame.
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On February 06 2013 09:19 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 09:15 HazMat wrote:
Can I get some PBE help? I have a friend who's coming back to play LoL with the release of the new Mac client. I was wondering if I could play on PBE with him but I'm not sure how to get an account there. You can only sign up for an account during the first three days of the month. Your last chance for this month was on Sunday.
Didn't they change again since then, and have PBE closed most of the time, and only opened several days infrequently with a few days' notice on the forum?
As for Liandry, still a buff if the duration post-DoT's end remains full (rather than halved like currently).
On February 06 2013 09:18 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm confused about Liandry's, it seems like a nerf to me...at least for single target spells. Goes down from 5% to 2%. So is it just buffed for DOTs and AOE? I think I'm missing something.
2% per second, for 3 seconds. It's a 1% buff for single target spells.
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On February 06 2013 09:27 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 09:19 Seuss wrote:On February 06 2013 09:15 HazMat wrote:
Can I get some PBE help? I have a friend who's coming back to play LoL with the release of the new Mac client. I was wondering if I could play on PBE with him but I'm not sure how to get an account there. You can only sign up for an account during the first three days of the month. Your last chance for this month was on Sunday. Didn't they change again since then, and have PBE closed most of the time, and only opened several days infrequently with a few days' notice on the forum? As for Liandry, still a buff if the duration post-DoT's end remains full (rather than halved like currently). Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 09:18 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm confused about Liandry's, it seems like a nerf to me...at least for single target spells. Goes down from 5% to 2%. So is it just buffed for DOTs and AOE? I think I'm missing something. 2% per second, for 3 seconds. It's a 1% buff for single target spells. No. The PBE is always open, it is just the sign up that has a restricted time period.
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On February 06 2013 07:40 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 06:50 Requizen wrote:On February 06 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Lol. LOL. DAT NASUS BUFF They REALLY are looking to make him viable, aren't they? All this Nasus testing/talk is making me REAL happy he was my very 1st champion and I won literally every skin made for him. Well I was going to start playing him, but clearly Riot is trying to make him FotM. I'll stick to my underplayed Bear, tyvm. I need to feel hipster about some things. I bought him yesterday just to jungle him for kicks and giggles (without building/using crit I mean). And that means I can still get 40% from 9-0-21 + DFG + grail, but still... fuck those CDR nerfs across the board. >_> Though 20 on FH and SV could satisfy a lot of bruisers. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 07:06 GregMandel wrote:On February 06 2013 07:01 Requizen wrote:On February 06 2013 07:00 GregMandel wrote:
I don't think I've ever played with/against nasus.
How sad is that ? Even during nasus free week I just don't see anyone on him
What does he do with his Q ? http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/NasusEdit: I actually rather like Nasus. He was one of the first champions I played, and when I was leveling I played him a lot every free week. I'd like to play him some more, but I dislike being a bandwagoner. Kind of petty of me, sure, so sue me. Interesting mechanics, it looks he's kind of a useless champ without his ult, or he really needs farm, both for his q and because he's basically an anti carry ( pop q and ult and blow up someone ) but without any gape closer so he needs to survive longer.l It's more of a "W their AD, get kited as he QSS's it, pop ult to survive, W again 3s later, get dropped to 300 HP to kill him, then kill everyone as your Q heals you for 200+ every other second thanks to passive and CDR".
since when does anybody buy qss now
the best youll get is a cleanse but even then with ADs taking barrier it puts them behind in lane
people arent buying qss because people are playing more assassins than tanks now so its generally better to get warmogs or something
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no one gets qss anymore? but i love it
qss cleanse sivir so fun
add soraka for maximum annoyance
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mercurital simitar or hows it called is rly nice on as/tanky lategame vayne for more kiting + dmg.
I would rather get Mogs for other more damage item needing carries.
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Just logged on and it said "Congrats, you have been promoted to Silver III"
Dafuq you doing to your servers Riot
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On February 06 2013 10:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Just logged on and it said "Congrats, you have been promoted to Silver III"
Dafuq you doing to your servers Riot
Probably from a 3s or 5s team.
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