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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Oh...damn, good call. DISREGARD I'M STUPID | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 06 2013 03:58 Alzadar wrote: You don't need to be totally zoned. You will almost certainly lose a few creeps if you're maxing a totally useless non combat skill first, and all it takes is losing two creeps a minute to undo all the bonus gold from max rank Hawkshot. In virtually every scenario maxing E will lose you gold. On February 06 2013 02:57 misirlou wrote: pleaso no, i already have a friend who instalocks ashe and maxes E as soon as he sees a TF in our team This is a long time coming of course, but. But isn't that exactly why it might need to be buffed? Because right nw the difference between what Ashe wants to do (Max E, Farm all day till you get IE+Zeal item, get a guaranteed kill everytime ult is up) vs. what Ashe has to do (Max W, counterpush, contest dragons, roam to stop other tower pushes, use ult to initiate or prevent teamfights starting early) is one of the largest if any champ in the game. Its a bit like the Vayne Q/W max dilemma, but Ashe also has the Infinity Edge problem, wherein the difference between IE builds and BT builds is probably the most apparent on Ashe compared to other ADCs. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Its main problem is that it doesnt fit with how LoL has developed. Im not 100% sure that it is the longest CD normal spell in the game, but it has to be up there. Its pretty powerful, simply because free sight always is, but it just doesnt fit her kit or what the game demands, of really any role. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On February 06 2013 09:27 Alaric wrote: Didn't they change again since then, and have PBE closed most of the time, and only opened several days infrequently with a few days' notice on the forum? As for Liandry, still a buff if the duration post-DoT's end remains full (rather than halved like currently). 2% per second, for 3 seconds. It's a 1% buff for single target spells. Ahh okay, that makes sense. Not much of a buff to single targets but I guess it'll make AOE/DOTs more powerful. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 06 2013 10:40 Two_DoWn wrote: I think Ashe E needs some work, but not because it doesnt give enough gold. Its main problem is that it doesnt fit with how LoL has developed. Im not 100% sure that it is the longest CD normal spell in the game, but it has to be up there. Its pretty powerful, simply because free sight always is, but it just doesnt fit her kit or what the game demands, of really any role. Well the cost of vision has gone down, and her cost for it is still exuberant. CD needs to be made significantly smaller. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 06 2013 10:44 wei2coolman wrote: Well the cost of vision has gone down, and her cost for it is still exuberant. CD needs to be made significantly smaller. Maybe if they made it mark targets and they took additional damage, stayed in sight, etc. Just SOMETHING. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 06 2013 10:47 Two_DoWn wrote: Maybe if they made it mark targets and they took additional damage, stayed in sight, etc. Just SOMETHING. If it gave -Armor it would be Wave of Terror. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 06 2013 10:48 TheYango wrote: If it gave -Armor it would be Wave of Terror. Wouldnt be the worst change in the world. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On February 06 2013 10:48 TheYango wrote: If it gave -Armor it would be Wave of Terror. No real knowledge of Dota, still knew that was probably a Dota spell. Well if it works for them haha. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
Just make it a crit steroid. It can still give sight on active, but lower the active to like 25 second cd or something. Perhaps even a on demand hawk like Beastmaster that just sits in one spot like a ward. Then we can change her actual passive to something useful. Not sure what, but something flavorful. | ||
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Tal
United Kingdom1018 Posts
Also, about her passive. What if it charged 2-3 times as fast? Would actually make it useful outside of that level 1 free shot. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:02 Cixah wrote: Give ashe wave of terror? Are you trying to make her FOTM? Just make it a crit steroid. It can still give sight on active, but lower the active to like 25 second cd or something. Perhaps even a on demand hawk like Beastmaster that just sits in one spot like a ward. Then we can change her actual passive to something useful. Not sure what, but something flavorful. I mean Corki has an armor shred, you can put armor reduction on an ADC and not have it be inherently broken. It's all about the numbers. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:43 cLutZ wrote: More Ashe utility could be a good thing. It would seem to play into Riot's seeming new direction for Ranged ADs where they each seem to be being differentiated more (although the Iceborne Gauntlet Change on PBE may suggest they don't want that at all). Riot is as opinionated as the general player base. To them Ez is OP. And to them Iceborne is OP. I don't think they mind differentiating the ADC role, they just don't like things that are overpowered. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:48 obesechicken13 wrote: Riot is as opinionated as the general player base. To them Ez is OP. And to them Iceborne is OP. I don't think they mind differentiating the ADC role, they just don't like things that are overpowered. Yet they just lowered the IBG cost...while randomly raising the FH cost on PBE. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:49 cLutZ wrote: Yet they just lowered the IBG cost...while randomly raising the FH cost on PBE. Ok maybe they just think Ez with IBG is overpowered *shrugs*. They're still going to nerf things that seem overpowered which may not be a good thing. If it isn't overpowered then we've cut off another avenue of play. (Urgot support bruiser AD's bot, Support shielding Jannas mid). Or maybe Riot just finds it easier to limit the ways that roles can be played because it makes balancing easier. I have no idea. It's possible they even have some other weird reason. Cue paranoia. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:49 cLutZ wrote: Yet they just lowered the IBG cost...while randomly raising the FH cost on PBE. They lowered the cost of FH in one PBE patch and then brought it back up to the live price in the next PBE patch. Edit: Still retained the +5 armor buff though. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:49 cLutZ wrote: Yet they just lowered the IBG cost...while randomly raising the FH cost on PBE. *didn't lower its cdr. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 06 2013 11:54 onlywonderboy wrote: They lowered the cost of FH in one PBE patch and then brought it back up to the live price in the next PBE patch. Edit: Still retained the +5 armor buff though. Gah. Reading PBE changes makes me angry! Anyways, I just played an Ashe game to test my whining. It was much less terrible than I remembered, at least vs. Graves. He just ran himself oom trying to push. Also, Nunu. | ||
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