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On January 23 2013 07:47 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 07:41 LaNague wrote:
people switch in soloqueue now?
Not even the pros understand when switch and often put themselves in a worse situation than without switch.
Lane matchup, farming cosiderations, powercurves, map control, gank protection and ganks, dragon control....
All that and probably more plays a role for switches.
Not to mention, you make the 1v2ers game a miserable experience :D There are not enough toplane champs that are good at 1v2. This is a fundamental problem in LoL right now, when if you are not Olaf you can't farm and survive. If you are Vlad/Kayle/Jayce, you can farm, but you die. If you are Shen/Malph you can survive, but not farm, but it doesnt matter. GL playing Jax, Singed, Xin, Irelia, etc 1v2 though.
I don't know that the subject has been explored enough for us to definitively say there's a dearth of capable 1v2 champions. We may have a rough idea as to which popular champions can manage, but not much beyond that.
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That was the whole point of starting the switches, circumventing champs like Jax or Irelia who aren't that good at it. o_O It's from that that they realized the whole bunch about killing towers early and stuff, it was all zoning during the first matches with swaps.
Yorick was used rather than Olaf, too, because he could get a Tear, give 0 fucks and farm through W and E. Also Jayce, but it's more risky for him. And Shen's 1v2 laning is actually pretty good through Q farming, it depends on your opponents. Kha'Zix would arguably be able to farm 1v2 (his W has the same cooldown and almost the same damage as Undertow. It's not pass-through and costs more mana though; he also has his E to negate ganks/dives, and his ult isn't bad at surviving either).
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On January 23 2013 07:50 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 07:47 cLutZ wrote:On January 23 2013 07:41 LaNague wrote:
people switch in soloqueue now?
Not even the pros understand when switch and often put themselves in a worse situation than without switch.
Lane matchup, farming cosiderations, powercurves, map control, gank protection and ganks, dragon control....
All that and probably more plays a role for switches.
Not to mention, you make the 1v2ers game a miserable experience :D There are not enough toplane champs that are good at 1v2. This is a fundamental problem in LoL right now, when if you are not Olaf you can't farm and survive. If you are Vlad/Kayle/Jayce, you can farm, but you die. If you are Shen/Malph you can survive, but not farm, but it doesnt matter. GL playing Jax, Singed, Xin, Irelia, etc 1v2 though. Jarvan, Galio, Lee, Maokai, Yorick, Cho'gath all 1v2 at an acceptable level (some of them much better than that).
\Well, the key really is you need to be able to 1v2, but then also be safe 1v1 / not get outscaled terribly 1v1. Its like, you could pick Ahri, but then if they outmindgame you, and its Ahri vs. Irelia toplane, gg (prolly I've never played that).
The swap meta is kinda lame, and I would like to see it get punished a bit more, because it turns toplane into only safe picks. Obviously they need to change the jungles to mirror, and also making dragon a bit easier early on couldn't be a bad thing.
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i think there is a lot of counterplay to 1v2 that just has not been explored. all people did was the early tower dive, but thats countered.
CLG for example had those really obnoxious laneswaps every 1-2 mins and got quite good at making them in a way that it puts the enemy behind if he swaps back.
there is also the dragon that can be gained if the enemy team takes too long at top 2v1.
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What do you guys think about XJ9 ? I know soloqueue doesn't mean you're a good tournament player but still, he has sick stats and whenever I watch his stream he always delivers..
How come he's not in a pro team ? Do you think he's better than TOO for example (who struggles at a ridiculously low ELO (for a pro)) ?
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TOO and Xj9 jungling styles are like night and day, can't compare them like that. 
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On January 23 2013 08:31 Lylat wrote:
What do you guys think about XJ9 ? I know soloqueue doesn't mean you're a good tournament player but still, he has sick stats and whenever I watch his stream he always delivers..
How come he's not in a pro team ? Do you think he's better than TOO for example (who struggles at a ridiculously low ELO (for a pro)) ?
he's working on a team iirc
i think you might see his team in the clg premier series
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On January 23 2013 08:31 Lylat wrote:
What do you guys think about XJ9 ? I know soloqueue doesn't mean you're a good tournament player but still, he has sick stats and whenever I watch his stream he always delivers..
How come he's not in a pro team ? Do you think he's better than TOO for example (who struggles at a ridiculously low ELO (for a pro)) ?
He was actually playing ranked 5s other day and got up against Jiji's new team a few times. Although that being said ranked 5s is basically solo Q from what I saw. The teams don't really have much of a team vibe going on. Personally there's merits to how he plays but at times he's too greedy and that hurts the team more than it helps. If he finds a good middle ground in might be fine for a team environment. Just means team prioritizes jungler more than another role.
A team like TSM wouldn't really do well with that style since Regi/Dyrus/Chaox are already prioritized. A 4th person would just spread them too thin. CLG might actually be a prime candidate for it since Hotshot sacrifices a lot already and now that Link is there it's possible the jungle doesn't have to win the early game for them.
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I really like XJ9's playstyle and think it deserves a lot of respect, very few people indeed play in that style so he's quite a pioneer.
Also, I think the 1v2 2v1 lanes are quite natural and fine. I mean what else would you expect when the sides are NOT mirrored? It might even evolve into a completely standard thing, where purple will always send their duo top and blue will always send their duo bot. I don't really see a reason why we would to preserve the lane roles as they are right now.
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On January 23 2013 08:44 Scip wrote:
I really like XJ9's playstyle and think it deserves a lot of respect, very few people indeed play in that style so he's quite a pioneer.
Also, I think the 1v2 2v1 lanes are quite natural and fine. I mean what else would you expect when the sides are NOT mirrored? It might even evolve into a completely standard thing, where purple will always send their duo top and blue will always send their duo bot. I don't really see a reason why we would to preserve the lane roles as they are right now.
It limits what people tend to pick top lane so you end up seeing the same few champions every game. I'm not saying Riot should nerf anything, I'm a big proponent of "sit back and watch." Also the laning phase becomes more boring to watch when one side doesn't want to trade ever.
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On January 23 2013 08:47 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 08:44 Scip wrote:
I really like XJ9's playstyle and think it deserves a lot of respect, very few people indeed play in that style so he's quite a pioneer.
Also, I think the 1v2 2v1 lanes are quite natural and fine. I mean what else would you expect when the sides are NOT mirrored? It might even evolve into a completely standard thing, where purple will always send their duo top and blue will always send their duo bot. I don't really see a reason why we would to preserve the lane roles as they are right now. It limits what people tend to pick top lane so you end up seeing the same few champions every game. I'm not saying Riot should nerf anything, I'm a big proponent of "sit back and watch." Also the laning phase becomes more boring to watch when one side doesn't want to trade ever.
I think people still don't really know how to use champions having less farm in the top lane role hence why we see the same picks over and over because those are the few they are more comfortable with less farm. It's a lot to do with how you build and how you play as well. People just used to having solo laner experience/farm and not being lower down the pole.
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On January 23 2013 08:44 Scip wrote:
I really like XJ9's playstyle and think it deserves a lot of respect, very few people indeed play in that style so he's quite a pioneer.
Also, I think the 1v2 2v1 lanes are quite natural and fine. I mean what else would you expect when the sides are NOT mirrored? It might even evolve into a completely standard thing, where purple will always send their duo top and blue will always send their duo bot. I don't really see a reason why we would to preserve the lane roles as they are right now.
Its the Riot method of being able to carry from the jungle. Every buff is always yours. They made ganking more difficult so instead of trying to gank, just farm the lane when they need to back. Or whenever you would like, you aren't restricted to a lane, the rift is yours!
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This is kinda what I did with udyr when I got front page on the ladder. Once you get pretty high elo, people become harder to gank, you can farm a lot and punish by reacting quickly when people try risky dives and flash ganks because of how hard it is to gank. I used to run around getting double kills before my first back because they'd dive top early or something (which fucks you as top if you jungler isnt there and he usually isnt)
however lower elo you have to gank a lot more because a lot of people will make themselves open to ganks and play really agressive and if you don't punish it you won't gain much of anything while their jungler can just gank your guys doing the same thing and gain a huge advantage which a 500-1k gold lead over their jungle won't do anything.
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Group A
FnaticRaidCall
Giants
Alternate
Anexis eSports
Group B
LoLPro
Team Acer
Millenium
DragonBorns
Group C
Copenhagen Wolves
Trudniej Już Nie Będzie (TNB)
TCM Gaming
Against All Authority
Group D
Team Solo Mebdi
MeetYourMakers
Mouseports
EloHell
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Yay they released the groups finally! Won't even try and predict I don't know much about the EU scene other than the big ones.
As far as I can tell Sao Palo starts in under a week and they still haven't announced the Korean teams attending lol. So far money in the bank for CLG.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 23 2013 08:47 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 08:44 Scip wrote:
I really like XJ9's playstyle and think it deserves a lot of respect, very few people indeed play in that style so he's quite a pioneer.
Also, I think the 1v2 2v1 lanes are quite natural and fine. I mean what else would you expect when the sides are NOT mirrored? It might even evolve into a completely standard thing, where purple will always send their duo top and blue will always send their duo bot. I don't really see a reason why we would to preserve the lane roles as they are right now. It limits what people tend to pick top lane so you end up seeing the same few champions every game. I'm not saying Riot should nerf anything, I'm a big proponent of "sit back and watch." Also the laning phase becomes more boring to watch when one side doesn't want to trade ever.
Having 1v1 and 2v2 lanes limits champions picked too; we have an absolutely no idea how this might affect the champions picked in the future, given how little experience everyone has with this sort of a game, that arguing against it will never be founded on solid ground.
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I wish I played in Yango's games.
I get 1v2. After lane phase "WOW KAYLE SO BAD 0 KILLS REPORT"
Then I just go back to not playing for 3 weeks.
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On January 23 2013 09:27 RagequitBM wrote:
I wish I played in Yango's games.
I get 1v2. After lane phase "WOW KAYLE SO BAD 0 KILLS REPORT"
Then I just go back to not playing for 3 weeks.
Don't play 1v2 in solo queue lol.
That's asking for trouble regardless.
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On January 23 2013 09:18 Irave wrote:
Yay they released the groups finally! Won't even try and predict I don't know much about the EU scene other than the big ones.
As far as I can tell Sao Palo starts in under a week and they still haven't announced the Korean teams attending lol. So far money in the bank for CLG.
hehe i think [M] is gonna take that.
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On January 23 2013 09:15 ExoFun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Group A
FnaticRaidCall
Giants
Alternate
Anexis eSports
Group B
LoLPro
Team Acer
Millenium
DragonBorns
Group C
Copenhagen Wolves
Trudniej Już Nie Będzie (TNB)
TCM Gaming
Against All Authority
Group D
Team Solo Mebdi
MeetYourMakers
Mouseports
EloHell
Group A: Fnatics and... I dunno. I'd say Alternate or Giants.
Group B: Acer and Millenium
Group C: Wolves and aAa
Group D: Hm... I dunno about EloHell. Mouseports for sure, and MYM probably?
So, going with...
Fnatics, Millenium, Wolves and aAa for the 4 teams of 2nd day.
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