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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 19 2013 21:08 GMT
#1101
On January 20 2013 05:58 GARO wrote:
I'm wondering if building crucible is better than QSS for cc like lux binding if I'm an AP mid who could possibly use the chalice in the first place

either that or im really mismanaging my wc spam when i ever get zoned out as TF and trying to keep the wave off my tower

TF shouldn't really need Chalice since you should just be using blue cards to regain mana. Crucible on mid's is an interesting proposition at the moment since Grail got nerfed. It offers a lot of utility and you can use it to save your teammates as well. Just depends on if you can sacrifice the damage.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
January 19 2013 21:37 GMT
#1102
On January 19 2013 23:42 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 20:13 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
does anyone have VoDs of elise support being played? i keep hearing about it and would like to observe it a little


Here they are. I'm a bit tired so maybe I made mistake on which game it was, or copied something wrong. I dunno.

These are from the recent Gigabyte Starswar league: http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/GIGABYTE_StarsWar_League/Season_2/Round_Robin

http://www.twitch.tv/eslasia/b/357214362?t=1h20m Royal vs MVP White game 2


http://www.twitch.tv/eslasia/b/357214362?t=3h12m LGD vs PE Game 2


http://www.twitch.tv/eslasia/b/357800819?t=26m SKT1 vs. AG Game 1


http://www.twitch.tv/eslasia/b/357818423?t=1h19m WE vs. iG Game 1



double post cause im bad and tired. gg


WE vs iG short game plagued by DCs, laneswaps happened too so can't really tell anything
SKT1 vs AG is jungle elise, not support

will check out the rest anyway thx
cool beans
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
January 19 2013 22:05 GMT
#1103
TIL if Diana and Akali ult each other at the same time, the moonlight mark is not consumed and Diana's ult goes on cooldown. Also if Akali stealths while Diana is in mid air on an ult you not only do no damage, but the mark is again not consumed, wierd.

On a unrelated note, I think I am really digging J4. Have had two really good games with him, 4/0/25 and 8/0/17. I think I might have found a new go to jungler.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
January 19 2013 22:37 GMT
#1104
On January 20 2013 06:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 23:42 ketchup wrote:
On January 19 2013 20:13 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
does anyone have VoDs of elise support being played? i keep hearing about it and would like to observe it a little


Here they are. I'm a bit tired so maybe I made mistake on which game it was, or copied something wrong. I dunno.

These are from the recent Gigabyte Starswar league: http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/GIGABYTE_StarsWar_League/Season_2/Round_Robin

http://www.twitch.tv/eslasia/b/357214362?t=1h20m Royal vs MVP White game 2


http://www.twitch.tv/eslasia/b/357214362?t=3h12m LGD vs PE Game 2


http://www.twitch.tv/eslasia/b/357800819?t=26m SKT1 vs. AG Game 1


http://www.twitch.tv/eslasia/b/357818423?t=1h19m WE vs. iG Game 1



double post cause im bad and tired. gg


WE vs iG short game plagued by DCs, laneswaps happened too so can't really tell anything
SKT1 vs AG is jungle elise, not support

will check out the rest anyway thx


Ah I just quickly scanned through leaguepedia for random elise games that didn't seem like she was played top. Didn't check for jungle elise. My fault.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11902 Posts
January 19 2013 22:53 GMT
#1105
On January 20 2013 07:05 Diamond wrote:
TIL if Diana and Akali ult each other at the same time, the moonlight mark is not consumed and Diana's ult goes on cooldown. Also if Akali stealths while Diana is in mid air on an ult you not only do no damage, but the mark is again not consumed, wierd.

On a unrelated note, I think I am really digging J4. Have had two really good games with him, 4/0/25 and 8/0/17. I think I might have found a new go to jungler.


Ninjas know how to deal with moonlight.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14147 Posts
January 19 2013 23:12 GMT
#1106
On January 20 2013 07:05 Diamond wrote:
TIL if Diana and Akali ult each other at the same time, the moonlight mark is not consumed and Diana's ult goes on cooldown. Also if Akali stealths while Diana is in mid air on an ult you not only do no damage, but the mark is again not consumed, wierd.

On a unrelated note, I think I am really digging J4. Have had two really good games with him, 4/0/25 and 8/0/17. I think I might have found a new go to jungler.

What build are you going on him? razer warmogs seems like the thing to do these days but I'm really enjoying razer bruta warmogs for some extra teeth on my ganks.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 23:19:45
January 19 2013 23:18 GMT
#1107
On January 20 2013 08:12 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 07:05 Diamond wrote:
TIL if Diana and Akali ult each other at the same time, the moonlight mark is not consumed and Diana's ult goes on cooldown. Also if Akali stealths while Diana is in mid air on an ult you not only do no damage, but the mark is again not consumed, wierd.

On a unrelated note, I think I am really digging J4. Have had two really good games with him, 4/0/25 and 8/0/17. I think I might have found a new go to jungler.

What build are you going on him? razer warmogs seems like the thing to do these days but I'm really enjoying razer bruta warmogs for some extra teeth on my ganks.


Razer > Warmogs > BC > Aegis (if no one else has) > idk.

I play at a pretty low elo, so the no damage route really won't work as I cannot trust my teamates at all. Some games I have been getting the Bruta before Warmogs, but not really sure. Only started playing him yesterday. Built an Atma's one game, first time I built it this season.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 00:27:23
January 19 2013 23:20 GMT
#1108
On January 20 2013 04:59 AsnSensation wrote:
Alright guys I have 15 wins and 5 wins with olaf in s3 and played ~70 olaf games in s2 so I have experience alot of matchups with him, the only one I just can't figure out is Olaf vs Riven although everyone recommends to pick olaf vs Riven or even championselect.net recommends olaf as a hardcounter to Riven.

I've played the matchup from both sides and basically all a good Riven has to do is wait for Olaf to Axe+E him and the unleash his fullcombo on him to outtrade him. Maxing rekkles strike instead of undertow changes nothing in that regard. So what am I doing wrong, are there any early level timings where Olaf is stronger than Riven?


Don't be aggressive, let her come to you. Walk away when she shields, then axe her and use your true damage when her shield wears off.

It's not really a matchup you have to win early either. Just go ninja tabi into sunfire cape into warmogs... once you have max levels of q and e, she can't really do anything at all to you 1v1 unless you got crushed early. The fact that you have a lot of armor/hitpoints means you're never really going to die to her while you're whacking her with true damage every 4 seconds.

Also I usually max q first against Riven.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 23:23:43
January 19 2013 23:22 GMT
#1109
Does anyone know a way how I could get the old pax jax?
I really loved that skin.
Cackle™
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 19 2013 23:24 GMT
#1110
ebay for 90 €
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 19 2013 23:25 GMT
#1111
............
Cackle™
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 19 2013 23:33 GMT
#1112
On January 20 2013 06:08 De4ngus wrote:
shotcoder play league too now? looool


Fuck yea I do, I've been playing ranked for about 4-5 months now?
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
January 19 2013 23:38 GMT
#1113
On January 20 2013 08:25 TheKefka wrote:
............

Lol I'm sure you can only have it by buying it from someone else, and I'm guessing his price was accurate, so yeah no reason to think he was being sarcastic or anything.

Sidenote : Just bought Kata ( and not Talon, too much IP ), really enjoying her and the whole reset thing, just wanted to know : is RDC rush better than getting Abyssal and Haunted guise ? Her damage kinda feels underwhelming if your ult is just lil bit too late
Also : DFG, viable or not ? ( CDR )
And maybe an IBG too, slow procs on the Q when chasing someone, shumpo + autoattack on him then burst him down, and you get some armor and CDR with it, only downside is mana being totally useless, but kinda like AP is useless on Ezreal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 23:43:02
January 19 2013 23:42 GMT
#1114
I didn't think he was sarcastic,I replied in the only way that came to my mind when someone tells me that there are idiots out there that pay 90€ for a single skin.
Cackle™
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14147 Posts
January 19 2013 23:46 GMT
#1115
On January 20 2013 08:18 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 08:12 Sermokala wrote:
On January 20 2013 07:05 Diamond wrote:
TIL if Diana and Akali ult each other at the same time, the moonlight mark is not consumed and Diana's ult goes on cooldown. Also if Akali stealths while Diana is in mid air on an ult you not only do no damage, but the mark is again not consumed, wierd.

On a unrelated note, I think I am really digging J4. Have had two really good games with him, 4/0/25 and 8/0/17. I think I might have found a new go to jungler.

What build are you going on him? razer warmogs seems like the thing to do these days but I'm really enjoying razer bruta warmogs for some extra teeth on my ganks.


Razer > Warmogs > BC > Aegis (if no one else has) > idk.

I play at a pretty low elo, so the no damage route really won't work as I cannot trust my teamates at all. Some games I have been getting the Bruta before Warmogs, but not really sure. Only started playing him yesterday. Built an Atma's one game, first time I built it this season.

yeah I don't know else to build on him. I want to say hydra SV or thirster sv. I end up a lot of times with boots lantern mogs bc ga bulwerk and call it a day. locket for bulwerk if theres a bit heavy on aoe.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 19 2013 23:58 GMT
#1116
On January 20 2013 08:22 TheKefka wrote:
Does anyone know a way how I could get the old pax jax?
I really loved that skin.


there are a few left at riot HQ but i was told by the rioter i begged for one that he'd lose his job if he gave it away LOL
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 19 2013 23:58 GMT
#1117
Yup, Kata relies on resets so her base damage tend to be applied several times per fight, making penetration better than AP (especially since you plan on hitting everybody on the other team). DFG helps getting a reset too.
There's also the "League of Giant's Belt" build, boots->warmogs->sorcs->fit in sunfire and abyssal somewhere, you do less damage but you don't care because you're never going to die before you get some resets and hit everybody again.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22435 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 00:05:49
January 20 2013 00:04 GMT
#1118
For Kat I personaly prefer boots>sorc>gaise>warmogs. it gives you enough dmg from mpen to be a threat early enough to help your team and gets you tanky in time for the midgame teamfights.

As for being underwhelming with a badly timed ult.. I always felt like her ult wasnt kat's strong side. Its the big aoe dmg on W thats on a low cd. Her ult is just icing on the cake.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 20 2013 00:22 GMT
#1119
On January 20 2013 08:33 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 06:08 De4ngus wrote:
shotcoder play league too now? looool


Fuck yea I do, I've been playing ranked for about 4-5 months now?

League's the perfect game for you buddy. Can rage all you want.
God Bless
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 00:25:12
January 20 2013 00:24 GMT
#1120
On January 20 2013 09:22 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 08:33 Shotcoder wrote:
On January 20 2013 06:08 De4ngus wrote:
shotcoder play league too now? looool


Fuck yea I do, I've been playing ranked for about 4-5 months now?

League's the perfect game for you buddy. Can rage all you want.

Except you can't because of all the justice freaks and punish-spammers on the tribunal.
My solution was to make a smurf for trolling/raging
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
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