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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
Q maxing is really situational and requires you to really have your shit together. You really don't want to be hitting creeps with your q which means that you want bush control in a bad way. luckily q maxing is really strong for bush control and makes for devastating eq combos that no one wants any part of. he takes the sonas/lux/taric/nunu crowd apart like you wouldn't believe. I really want to try out more leona vs jarvan and see how they stack up in a game. I'll probably suggest that for Trolls this Friday. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:17 TheYango wrote: Well, DBR caused a big enough hubbub that I'm not sure DotA is a good example here. yae and they got shut down because of it | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
Let riot make lives easier for the guys who do want to feel better about themselves, it doesn't harm you. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:19 TheKefka wrote: yae and they got shut down because of it crazy that valve would wait until the week that it was released to even tell anyone that they intended to kill all statistical sites like that. It would cause complete and total chaos and mass violence if riot even suggested that they were thinking of doing something to shut down elo buff like that. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Where in the actual fuck,is the replay system? It blows my mind from here to the U S and A that there is no replay system still."Season 3,league is in consideration for a olympic sport,milions of prize money,riot more money than god,EPORSTS DADAIUDBAOCBOCAJVSAV " Derp,no official replays.fucking disgrace. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:19 Slayer91 wrote: @Alaric You shouldn't care. The best way to judge your performance is your own games. Assuming you don't suffer from the Duning-Kruger effect as much as most people, you shouldn't need the old system either. Let riot make lives easier for the guys who do want to feel better about themselves, it doesn't harm you. This. Honestly, my personal feeling (that I know most people won't agree with) is that visible rating for the purpose of "tracking your own improvement" is totally unnecessary. If you're really properly introspective about your own play, you shouldn't need a number to tell you that you got better. You should be able to deduce that from a level-headed analysis of your own play. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:22 TheKefka wrote: If you want to be angry about something here's a thought. Where in the actual fuck,is the replay system? It blows my mind from here to the U S and A that there is no replay system still."Season 3,league is in consideration for a olympic sport,milions of prize money,riot more money than god,EPORSTS DADAIUDBAOCBOCAJVSAV " Derp,no official replays.fucking disgrace. Riots avoiding it for a very good reason: ![[image loading]](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/listen_to_yourself.png) | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:22 TheKefka wrote: If you want to be angry about something here's a thought. Where in the actual fuck,is the replay system? It blows my mind from here to the U S and A that there is no replay system still."Season 3,league is in consideration for a olympic sport,milions of prize money,riot more money than god,EPORSTS DADAIUDBAOCBOCAJVSAV " Derp,no official replays.fucking disgrace. When everyone agrees. How fucking boring is that? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:19 Slayer91 wrote: @Alaric You shouldn't care. The best way to judge your performance is your own games. Assuming you don't suffer from the Duning-Kruger effect as much as most people, you shouldn't need the old system either. Let riot make lives easier for the guys who do want to feel better about themselves, it doesn't harm you. Ya, assuming somebody's sharp enough he should be able to evaluate his own level himself. I know I'm far from perfect though (it's much harder for me to acknowledge being outplayed top than when playing AD which is my worst role, for example), and I don't entirely trust myself to evaluate my opponent's level, and hence how good I performed in light of that. Elo gives some kind of crutch in that sense that if I get smashed at 1300 it's more likely that I played bad this game, and have weaknesses to address relative to the general level around 1300, rather than that my lane opponent and/or the other team is a smurf/higher rated player who had a bad streak. Even though we always hear about the "I've got 10 more Elo so it means I am 100% better than you" bullshit, Elo as an exterior element / scaling grade can be helpful. Just has to listen to it everytime, and not just when you rreach a new peak. (Which the inability of people to do so was core to the problem, I agree.) Edit: to be clearer (and just because that wasn't wall of text enough yet to come from me), it's playing and seeing I dropped 150 Elo and telling myself "Hm, I could have had a bad streak, but there was probably mistakes from my part in those games, or else I wouldn't have dropped that much" so I know to look for it. Same thing when I climb up some and doesn't feel like I did anything particular, I look at the Elo gain and decide I prob improved somewhere and I should have a look at those games to identify what it was and work on solidifying it. I could so the same without Elo of course, just out of win/loss streaks, but the number's providing some kind of "structure" to it. If I recorded my games on a spreadsheet it'd probably have the same effect, it's just having it integrated in the game makes it easier (lazier solution, etc.). The new system compares you to ~100 other people, which you didn't even necessarily played with/againsts, so it's harder to make something out of it when you go from 10th to 3rd place in your division, while Elo works with the thousands of guys that play ranked. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:26 Keniji wrote: When everyone agrees. How fucking boring is that? well I guess it's high time to bring out the pitchforks isn't it | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote: Elo is overly granular though. It give TOO MUCH info in a way, because elo gains of 10, 20, or even 100 Elo can represent background noise and not improvement. Obviously anyone familiar with the system knows this, but many aren't and draw false conclusions from their elo spiking up or down by 100. The purpose of this system is to put in a filter that obscures statistical fluctuation so less knowledgeable players don't draw false conclusions from incorrectly interpreting their elo gains/losses. I feel like the solution to that would be to produce mores stats so they are easier to interpret (eg, running avg elo, stdev over a period of x games, %rsd, etc) rather than making the population even more ignorant. Mybe that's just me being naive tho. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:22 TheKefka wrote: If you want to be angry about something here's a thought. Where in the actual fuck,is the replay system? It blows my mind from here to the U S and A that there is no replay system still."Season 3,league is in consideration for a olympic sport,milions of prize money,riot more money than god,EPORSTS DADAIUDBAOCBOCAJVSAV " Derp,no official replays.fucking disgrace. There's no official replay system because there's very, very little reason for them to prioritize it when there's a third party tool which does the job to 98% of perfection. Blizzard took untold years to make an in-game threat meter for WoW not because they were lazy but because it simply wasn't necessary. All the players who cared already had threat meters. We have full spectator mode replays right now. If replays are important to you all you have to do is install LoLReplay. It certainly would be nice to have an official replay system, and I'll certainly be happy once it eventually arrives. However, Mondays with Monte exists because the necessary tools are already available. If you need replays for something there's no reason to wait for Riot to publish the official version. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I think 99% of the time, I read about changes in LoL and I just shrug and go "hmm, ok". Boot up League and go play a game. Play for self-improvement first and foremost. Play for fun second. Patches makes this game easier and harder in different areas but guess what, just play your best and fucking carry. Stop QQ'ing. PSA by your neighborhood-friendly Nocturne. <3 TL LoL | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:36 barbsq wrote: I feel like the solution to that would be to produce mores stats so they are easier to interpret (eg, running avg elo, stdev over a period of x games, %rsd, etc) rather than making the population even more ignorant. Mybe that's just me being naive tho. There is a lot of "Let me mid I'm pro just won XX games with Y champion" in champ select in solo queue though. So many people who think that they are pro, even though the sample size is way too small to be representative. <3 Neo for his sober approach. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:36 barbsq wrote: I feel like the solution to that would be to produce mores stats so they are easier to interpret (eg, running avg elo, stdev over a period of x games, %rsd, etc) rather than making the population even more ignorant. Mybe that's just me being naive tho. sounds like information which you could derive from some kind of visual medium that records a game you just played. if only riot had the technology to give people a way to observe their own mistakes hmm | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:39 NeoIllusions wrote: your neighborhood Nocturne. <3 Level 1 ult not gonna have enough range to knock at overseas doors, you gotta farm that jungle more.  | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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