EPTMight just wrap myself into toilet paper and weep or get hammered and yell ITS BRAWLING TIME with a flail in my hand and keg in the other,hmhm
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Might just wrap myself into toilet paper and weep or get hammered and yell ITS BRAWLING TIME with a flail in my hand and keg in the other,hmhm | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:15 TheKefka wrote: You guys worry too much about semantics. It's not about us. Most of the people who play LoL and talk about "Elo hell", the "casual crowd" if you wish, have no idea what Elo actually is (as in a rating system in particular) nor about its mechanics (the way it's used to compare the relative skill levels of two people), to them it's only a number. And a scapegoat. If Riot gets rid of that, then people will actually believe, at least for awhile, that the problems that they came to associate with Elo, or Elo hell, are gone. To them, not being able to "lose a tier" is going to be much more visible than "having the end of season rewards based off of your top Elo", for example. It's exactly the same as currently, except it'll seem more important to them because they'll be exposed to it permanently. And that's because people care about semantics that the system should work in relieving "ladder anxiety" or the anger related to Elo from people. I'm fine with other people unable to look up my Elo btw (like not being able to use lolking and start stupid flaming in champ select anymore, for example), but not being able to see it myself and having a shiny medal instead is what made me angry about the lump of shit that this system is. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes, but that's my whole point. What the fuck is the point of creating divisions with a whole bunch of people you can 'compare yourself' to when realistically you'll never even see those players in a game? It's ridiculous. And hiding numerical elo makes it really aggravating to keep track of progress aside from using shiny gems and shit. AND of course there's the fact that the bottom of every 'tier' (read: Silver, Gold, etc) will be a horrible cesspool of players who don't give a shit since you can never be demoted from a tier once you've reached it. Sure you still play against players from all different tiers depending on your hidden elo, but it totally destroys whatever point they were trying to make with this division system since the bottom 10? spots of each division are going to all have zero 'League Points' since they're shit and either got carried to their tier or trolled their way down and don't care since they've earned their reward. I had just forgotten about how much I hated the idea of this system and now it's getting shoved down my throat like a beer bong filled with rancid sewage. Guess it just comes down to a disagreement in mindsets. Elo was what always turned me away from ranked in the first place, but now with the leagues I'm actually going to try ranked. I guess I'm the casual scrub they are reaching for but I like a system that gives me a sense of progress and reward aside from a number that I would just get stressed out about. Edit: Also the reason I think Riot doesn't even want people to know their own Elo is so people in champ select don't just make up random shit about their Elo to gain a better pick. I'm not saying it's right but I bet that's why. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
People will just say I'm high gold or something instead of an elo number. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
Ha I don't really care but I find it interesting how people freaked out about not being able to buy this skin without buying the CE. I fully expect the same thing to happen to the Sivir skin once she gets her rework. Edit: Source | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'd also be willing to bet that while the names on the ladders or whatever at low divisions won't mean anything, but the names at the very top will. It will help give exposure to high ranked players who are not vocal in the community / don't stream etc, because it will be hard to dismiss a player when there's an official page showing their name above other professionals. I remember a few days ago 5hit was talking about how he was trying to organize scrims and tryouts and things with his friends and pro teams were dismissing him because they didn't care who he was. It'll be easier to say "Hey, I'm as good as X Y Z players even though I don't stream" when you can point to your bracket and your name above theirs. Just a guess. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:26 Alaric wrote: It's not about us. Most of the people who play LoL and talk about "Elo hell", the "casual crowd" if you wish, have no idea what Elo actually is (as in a rating system in particular) nor about its mechanics (the way it's used to compare the relative skill levels of two people), to them it's only a number. And a scapegoat. If Riot gets rid of that, then people will actually believe, at least for awhile, that the problems that they came to associate with Elo, or Elo hell, are gone. To them, not being able to "lose a tier" is going to be much more visible than "having the end of season rewards based off of your top Elo", for example. It's exactly the same as currently, except it'll seem more important to them because they'll be exposed to it permanently. And that's because people care about semantics that the system should work in relieving "ladder anxiety" or the anger related to Elo from people. I'm fine with other people unable to look up my Elo btw (like not being able to use lolking and start stupid flaming in champ select anymore, for example), but not being able to see it myself and having a shiny medal instead is what made me angry about the lump of shit that this system is. So you're angry because you can't see a number and instead you get a medal.lol srsly people,who cares,just play the game | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Great, I get to end up in some shit Silver Division with a retarded shitty name like 'Shaco's Shit-suckers' with a bunch of shit players I'll never see in a game. + Show Spoiler + Shit. Rather be in Shaco's Shit-suckers than like Udyr's Exemplars or some lame sounding division name. Hate the division system. Not being able to get demoted is just fucking retarded. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:21 TheKefka wrote: There's a carnival going on in my home town this month and I was thinking of actually participating with some of my friends this year,but they all wanna be characters from batman.I was kinda thinking of going as some league champion or dota hero but seeing some of the cosplay stuff that people pull off,meh,too lazy to put so much effort into it. Might just wrap myself into toilet paper and weep or get hammered and yell ITS BRAWLING TIME with a flail in my hand and keg in the other,hmhm Don't do the toilet paper one. It looks really lame :p | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Also probably likely that the more ranked somebody plays the more pro games they watch, and the more people playing ranked the less disparate the results of ranked games are. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
I'd be willing to bet that the reason why Riot is going to this ratings system is because it's the system SC2 uses, and they probably talked to Blizzard about it, and Blizzard probably showed them some data showing that it's likely to get casual players to play more ranked games. yea,I'm sure blizzard is giving riot advice on how to draw in more casuals lol maybe in some parallel universe | ||
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Simberto
Germany11774 Posts
My guess is the following: If it is basically the same system as before, and they just display your top elo as a "division tier" or something, people will lose a lot, then win 10-20 games in a row, and complain that they don't ascend a level after such a long winning spree which obviously shows that they are way better then everyone else in their division. Then a lot of people will be convinced that the new system just does not work, and lots of random rumors will spread about how it works, all by people who also have absolutely no idea about it. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
That said, no demotion is going to cause some funny problems. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:38 mordek wrote: Is there a reason Riot would want more people playing ranked? Do they care if its normals vs. ranked? I would think people 'into' playing ranked are going to be more invested in the game instead of just considering it something they do with friends. Plus, it feeds into their whole 'growing esports' story. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:43 TheKefka wrote: Why would people that play ranked be more likely to buy RP?O_o yea,I'm sure blizzard is giving riot advice on how to draw in more casuals lol maybe in some parallel universe Ignoring the Blizzard hate, but If you assume that people who play ranked games are trying to win a bit more competitively than they are in normal games, you'd assume that they will try to do things to gain an advantage, and buying RP for champions/rune pages/etc is a way to gain an advantage. They're more likely to invest into the game if they think that investment is going to result in a reward, IE gaining more ELO. It'd be a very easy thing to find statistically. Take data of all users who have played ranked games, and average $ spent on RP for all of them. Then same data of all users who never play ranked games. I'm sure Riot has this data. And I think it's a fairly safe assumption that that data would show that the more ranked a player plays, the more money they've spent on the game on average. Therefor, it's in Riots interests financially to get more players to want to play ranked. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
Not a big complaint tho, kus my elo isn't really high enough to begin with that it would ever be a problem. Plus, I suspect that the vast majority of ranked players do not share this concern. @ alzadar, NA is working for me, except they disabled ranked queue for S3 patch. | ||
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