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On January 07 2013 08:47 OutlaW- wrote:
I'm the complete opposite, Owned Noob. I feel like casters are way too lenient with mistakes and always cringe when somebody points out that X has done a nice play when it was 100% Z making a big mistake.
idk it wasnt the bashing that bothered me so much, it was just really the condescending tone about the way he said it. he sounded really high and pompous about his game knowledge when he's actually really shit when it comes to it. it was obvious curse was playing like shit, but he doesnt need to rub it in that he knows that
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I don't listen to casters (apart from a few), so I wouldn't know.
If he was acting like he knew better then he was being arrogant and he shouldn't have done that. If all he did was point out how bad curse played that then it was fine. The only information I have is your possibly biased interpretation of his tone.
It could have been simply you being angry at someone worse at the game bashing players better than him, which is completely acceptable by me. If people throw planets like that, they deserve to be called out on being bad. The question here is whether or not casters should voice their opinions.
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On January 07 2013 06:48 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 06:25 wei2coolman wrote:On January 07 2013 06:05 TheYango wrote:On January 07 2013 06:03 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 07 2013 05:54 TheYango wrote:
The fact that IBG doesn't provide any attack speed is a point that I did forget about in yesterday's discussion.
Even if you've got that cute AoE slow, it's still very clumsy to kite with base attack speed. Solution, just build Statikk Shiv and go for maximum Ez Q proc cheese. See, then at the point where you've got IBC+Shiv, you've spent 6k gold and still have absolutely no AD from items and so you do no damage. Usually what I see is BT->IBG->LW->IE, rarely do I see IBG and Shiv together. And this exactly has the problem which I stated earlier--when you have 0 attack speed, you don't necessarily end up kiting better, because kiting with 0 bonus attack speed (other than your passive) is actually somewhat clumsy. Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 06:39 Seuss wrote:On January 07 2013 03:17 Nos- wrote:
As a side note, you might be wondering why I have no armor penetration runes. One of the primary reasons is that the top priority for an ADC in lane is to cs, which is why I have so many ad runes to help with that. A more subtle reason is that I don’t think armor penetration runes are worth it in comparison with its ad counterpart. This is largely due to the new way penetration is calculated. I'm really curious regarding his "subtle reason". I certainly agree with his primary reason, but it seems extremely odd that he'd argue penetration runes are worse after the change. The penetration value is lower, and unless you're getting Cleaver or LW early, the new % stacking rules don't benefit you until much later.
I guess I was still stuck thinking about the overall S2 vs S3 changes, and failed to consider Armor Penetration in a S3 vacuum. Once you stop thinking about the Armor cost increase/value reduction Armor Penetration isn't that great unless you can stack % Penetration/Reduction to go with it.
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What's with the sudden resurgence of Malzahar? AFAIK they didn't buff him but he's in at least half of my games now..
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On January 07 2013 09:53 Dusty wrote:
What's with the sudden resurgence of Malzahar? AFAIK they didn't buff him but he's in at least half of my games now..
I think they buffed him in that qss only breaks the cc on his ult but not the damage till they get out of range. also he can take camps and solo buffs easier now because of the argo changes. not sure if those can account for the change in popularity but he was buffed slightly.
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On January 07 2013 10:02 jadoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 09:53 Dusty wrote:
What's with the sudden resurgence of Malzahar? AFAIK they didn't buff him but he's in at least half of my games now.. I think they buffed him in that qss only breaks the cc on his ult but not the damage till they get out of range. also he can take camps and solo buffs easier now because of the argo changes. not sure if those can account for the change in popularity but he was buffed slightly.
Wait what QSS doesn't completely break Malz ult now? When was this changed?
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On BC vs LW, upgrading from Brutalizer to BC gives you 25 AD, 250 HP, and the stacking 25% apen passive, whereas going for a LW costs around 600g more while giving you 40 AD and 35% permanent Apen.
I think that the current best build for especially single target AD casters/assassins would be to have mass Apen runes and go for Bruta -> LW, saving the BC for later.
With the new way the penetrations are calculated, assuming that you have both the Brutalizer and the LW finished(Around 20min, probably earlier), any target below ~64 armor will have 0 armor against you. Pewpew.
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On January 07 2013 10:08 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 10:02 jadoth wrote:On January 07 2013 09:53 Dusty wrote:
What's with the sudden resurgence of Malzahar? AFAIK they didn't buff him but he's in at least half of my games now.. I think they buffed him in that qss only breaks the cc on his ult but not the damage till they get out of range. also he can take camps and solo buffs easier now because of the argo changes. not sure if those can account for the change in popularity but he was buffed slightly. Wait what QSS doesn't completely break Malz ult now? When was this changed?
It's been that way for at least two years.
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On January 07 2013 10:09 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 10:08 Nos- wrote:On January 07 2013 10:02 jadoth wrote:On January 07 2013 09:53 Dusty wrote:
What's with the sudden resurgence of Malzahar? AFAIK they didn't buff him but he's in at least half of my games now.. I think they buffed him in that qss only breaks the cc on his ult but not the damage till they get out of range. also he can take camps and solo buffs easier now because of the argo changes. not sure if those can account for the change in popularity but he was buffed slightly. Wait what QSS doesn't completely break Malz ult now? When was this changed? It's been that way for at least two years.
Oh man I had no idea, I thought QSS just breaks the entire spell O_O
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On January 07 2013 10:09 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 10:08 Nos- wrote:On January 07 2013 10:02 jadoth wrote:On January 07 2013 09:53 Dusty wrote:
What's with the sudden resurgence of Malzahar? AFAIK they didn't buff him but he's in at least half of my games now.. I think they buffed him in that qss only breaks the cc on his ult but not the damage till they get out of range. also he can take camps and solo buffs easier now because of the argo changes. not sure if those can account for the change in popularity but he was buffed slightly. Wait what QSS doesn't completely break Malz ult now? When was this changed? It's been that way for at least two years.
Srsly? Damn, I've always though that it wipe the Malz's ult cleanly.
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On January 07 2013 10:09 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 10:08 Nos- wrote:On January 07 2013 10:02 jadoth wrote:On January 07 2013 09:53 Dusty wrote:
What's with the sudden resurgence of Malzahar? AFAIK they didn't buff him but he's in at least half of my games now.. I think they buffed him in that qss only breaks the cc on his ult but not the damage till they get out of range. also he can take camps and solo buffs easier now because of the argo changes. not sure if those can account for the change in popularity but he was buffed slightly. Wait what QSS doesn't completely break Malz ult now? When was this changed? It's been that way for at least two years.
What I remember that being like a monthish ago. At the same time they made WW ult still do damage if QSSed. Am I just completely wrong?
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I thought they changed that fairly recently too. Could be wrong though.
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On January 07 2013 10:09 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 10:08 Nos- wrote:On January 07 2013 10:02 jadoth wrote:On January 07 2013 09:53 Dusty wrote:
What's with the sudden resurgence of Malzahar? AFAIK they didn't buff him but he's in at least half of my games now.. I think they buffed him in that qss only breaks the cc on his ult but not the damage till they get out of range. also he can take camps and solo buffs easier now because of the argo changes. not sure if those can account for the change in popularity but he was buffed slightly. Wait what QSS doesn't completely break Malz ult now? When was this changed? It's been that way for at least two years.
Didn't Xeph only say that they were fixing it in November?
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31242645#31242645
We're doing a change (or a bugfix, depending on your point of view) on both Warwick and Malzahar. Their ultimates will be treated like leashes... because they kind of are. (You can't QSS leashes. You can only break them via distance.)
What this means is that QSS will break the stunning effect on you but until you get out of range of them, it won't cancel the damage and other effects these characters will be doing. Malzahar will get his full Nether Grasp until they break the leash and Warwick typically gets 2 (maybe 3) more swipes before the target walks away.
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This change was put in place very recently, sometime in the preseason I believe. I had read it but didn't realize it went live already.
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QSS definitely canceled the damage pre S3. Pretty much straight counter to AP Malz bot in Dominion games.
Hadn't heard about that change before I got a pleasant surprise when I killed a Gangplank with it after he ate an orange a few days ago.
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I thought the rise of malz is mostly because of the amount of ad casters mid.
Malz is great vs. them since his skills (mostly E) have massive amounts of dmg but no range, and was bad vs. traditional casters. Vs. the melee ad casters, he's really strong.
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Baa?21247 Posts
malz jungle is great btw, always farm never die
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On January 07 2013 08:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i feel like casters don't know what they're watching most of the time
QFT
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Craton you are spreading false information  .
Also, I think Ryze is good against AD caster too, his tankiness and low cd on skills just make them perfect to lane against AD caster mid, that is if he can survive the early laning phase which can be done with some heavy mid camping from jungler.
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Do you guys think there should be a "current live tourney" thread. I don't mind tourney comments unless i want to go through 10+ pages when i've had to go to work and such.
Not a specific one for every tourney but a general one for the ones that don't have threads for them.
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