EPTIt completely outclasses phage and red buff, at the very least.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
It completely outclasses phage and red buff, at the very least. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:10 wei2coolman wrote: Nyjacky playing Eve, but no DFG yet. Seriously. WTF. BUY DFG PLZ. BEST EVE ITEM EVER. Holy shit, voyboy and st.v pretty much 2v5's nomnom O.o, until nyjacky comes in. He needs Zhonya's first. NomNom has some silly burst, esp if his ulti is down. Wat dew? Looks like he went DFG over Cap though. :O | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: It's a guaranteed proc though. Guaranteed AoE slow proc on a champ that has a built-in reposition and 1k range skillshot that procs on hit. It means that suddenly Ezreal can be your initiator in any spot from adc range and if he chooses fights right there's NO WAY to catch him. It completely outclasses phage and red buff, at the very least. It's better in that sense, but you still lack damage. IBG proc only does 125% of base AD. It's great for poking and catching people, but as soon as the other team initiates and their IE/PD carry starts damaging your team, you're going to start to regret that you didn't use that 3.4k on an IE or TF. I'm not entirely opposed to it, but I don't think you can afford it as second item. Midgame power is pretty important atm, and IBG delays your damage too much imo. Plus you can't expect people in yoloq to respect that you buy IBG and play around poking the other team down. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: It's a guaranteed proc though. Guaranteed AoE slow proc on a champ that has a built-in reposition and 1k range skillshot that procs on hit. It means that suddenly Ezreal can be your initiator in any spot from adc range and if he chooses fights right there's NO WAY to catch him. It completely outclasses phage and red buff, at the very least. This is what pretty much convinced me with Gauntlet over Trinity. Yes, you're sacrificing some HP but no one really got Phage for the HP. Now you're comparing the Gauntlet's 100% slow vs Phage/Trinity's 25%. And it's not like there are any wasted stats from Gauntlet either. Armor for HP and the CDR is incredibly useful. Just ask Score. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:14 NeoIllusions wrote: He needs Zhonya's first. NomNom has some silly burst, esp if his ulti is down. Wat dew? Looks like he went DFG over Cap though. :O Not all is lost! On January 07 2013 07:15 Doctorbeat wrote: It's better in that sense, but you still lack damage. IBG proc only does 125% of base AD. It's great for poking and catching people, but as soon as the other team initiates and their IE/PD carry starts damaging your team, you're going to start to regret that you didn't use that 3.4k on an IE or TF. I'm not entirely opposed to it, but I don't think you can afford it as second item. Midgame power is pretty important atm, and IBG delays your damage too much imo. Plus you can't expect people in yoloq to respect that you buy IBG and play around poking the other team down. I think the biggest issue is people are trying to compare hypercarry ez versus regular carry ez. If you have a team built around zoning out for you, then Yes, IBG is a shit buy. Especially if your mid or support can get shard of true ice, or something of that sort. But, sometimes team comps are oriented around mid game small skirmishes, then IBG is significantly better | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:15 Doctorbeat wrote: It's better in that sense, but you still lack damage. IBG proc only does 125% of base AD. It's great for poking and catching people, but as soon as the other team initiates and their IE/PD carry starts damaging your team, you're going to start to regret that you didn't use that 3.4k on an IE or TF. You open BT first for a reason. And I think the fairer comparison is between IBG and TF. IE vs (IBG/TF) has always been the trade off between pure damage vs utility. When looking at IBG vs TF in regards to utility, I don't see TF stacking up. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:14 NeoIllusions wrote: He needs Zhonya's first. NomNom has some silly burst, esp if his ulti is down. Wat dew? Looks like he went DFG over Cap though. :O DFG+Zhonya now. He listens to the TL prayers. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I would've gone Deathcap before DFG but I guess the extra nuke DPS > more Q dmg? @_@ | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:15 Doctorbeat wrote: It's better in that sense, but you still lack damage. IBG proc only does 125% of base AD. It's great for poking and catching people, but as soon as the other team initiates and their IE/PD carry starts damaging your team, you're going to start to regret that you didn't use that 3.4k on an IE or TF. I'm not entirely opposed to it, but I don't think you can afford it as second item. Midgame power is pretty important atm, and IBG delays your damage too much imo. Plus you can't expect people in yoloq to respect that you buy IBG and play around poking the other team down. I really don't think it decreases your damage all that much, sheen is already core on Ezreal and the rest of the kit just adds a ton of cdr and mana to use it, and cdr for Ezreal translates into both damage and attackspeed. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:17 NeoIllusions wrote: You open BT first for a reason. And I think the fairer comparison is between IBG and TF. IE vs (IBG/TF) has always been the trade off between pure damage vs utility. When looking at IBG vs TF in regards to utility, I don't see TF stacking up. True. I probably just don't like it that much because I'm bad at the game  Also, the games I went IBG I always got dived on, Malph and Xin and shit. I should really train my reflexes to E/flash Malph ults | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
CLG vs FeaR scrim coming up. :O I personally think current FeaR es best FeaR. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote: http://www.own3d.tv/bigfatlp CLG vs FeaR scrim coming up. :O I personally think current FeaR es best FeaR. Zuna asks for no stream  sad day | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote: http://www.own3d.tv/bigfatlp CLG vs FeaR scrim coming up. :O I personally think current FeaR es best FeaR. ''no stream good bai'' + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I really don't think it decreases your damage all that much, sheen is already core on Ezreal and the rest of the kit just adds a ton of cdr and mana to use it, and cdr for Ezreal translates into both damage and attackspeed. I dispute sheen being core. I have always disputed the Trinity force playstyle as well. Its highly situational when a Sheen/TF/IBG build is going to be stronger than an IE/PD or BT/PD build. First, it demands the other team not have and unkillable frontline terror like an (even midly fed) Olaf. And second it demands your team either: A. Wins early, or B. Has the ability to control where and when fights happen. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:18 NeoIllusions wrote: I would've gone Deathcap before DFG but I guess the extra nuke DPS > more Q dmg? @_@ DFG>Deathcap significantly stronger. DFG active (15% flat) + eve ulti (25%+3% from ap (zhonya's + dfg+haunting guize+ masteries/runes)) then multiplied by 1.2 (dfg amplification)= instantly 50% of someone's health. Deathcap doesn't even hold a candle to that damage. On January 07 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote: http://www.own3d.tv/bigfatlp CLG vs FeaR scrim coming up. :O I personally think current FeaR es best FeaR. Hmmm, new fear is pretty good, I was wrong thinking fear was gunna be trash w/o aphro. muffinqt still massive weaklink for fear imo. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:42 Yagami wrote: I asked Fnatic.Rekless on stream what does he think about trinity force on Ezreal and he said that it was too expensive and you should invest that money on IE/PD for better stats. Now Weixiao says you should get TF on Ezreal.... I'm confused , help me please  They're not necessarily in disagreement. Weixiao didn't seem to think TF is the end all be all item as much as something to get since it has everything Ezrael needs. I don't know if he's advocating rushing it every game. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
benefits of ap runes could be: easier last hitting if you are using spellsword mastery, stronger abilities earlier game. however it seems like Sorc boots and guise are becoming very popular, if you run a page of mpen marks/quints, with those 2 items you have 14+15+15=44 magic pen, about 1 neg cloak worth of resistances.. The other problem is whether you want AP on your marks or glyphs or quints. I could see AP glyphs being useful if you're playing an AP mid vs. a bruiser or AD assassin mid lane, where the lost MR won't be a big deal. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On January 07 2013 07:47 KissBlade wrote: They're not necessarily in disagreement. Weixiao didn't seem to think TF is the end all be all item as much as something to get since it has everything Ezrael needs. I don't know if he's advocating rushing it every game. Has it been translated? What exactly wx said. Have a link? | ||
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