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On December 30 2012 06:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
From a jungler's perspective, if I see where you ward, that ward is pretty much useless. I will never come through there to gank unless there's a fight where both sides have committed. If there are multiple wards that make it so that it's impossible for me to gank unless seen, for example if warding purple wraith and top tri brush as blue side, then I will immediately back and get as many pinks as I need to give you enough vision so that you think you're safe, or no vision at all.

On December 30 2012 08:32 Slaughter wrote:
I always feel bad when I take a position that is called by someone. Which leads me to play support a lot because the 4 other positions get called in the 1st .2 seconds of the game by everyone. I swear people think support is anathema to play most of the time.

On December 30 2012 08:32 Slaughter wrote:
I always feel bad when I take a position that is called by someone. Which leads me to play support a lot because the 4 other positions get called in the 1st .2 seconds of the game by everyone. I swear people think support is anathema to play most of the time.

On December 30 2012 08:30 Perplex wrote:
guys i'm in a game with reginald, i made it.

On December 30 2012 04:16 Alaric wrote:
It's not that Riven is toxic per see, she isn't as broken as she used to be anymore—though part of it certainly has to do with power creep. She has definite losing match-ups, hard match-ups, she still snowballs lanes very hard if given an advantage, esp. with the cost nerf on chain vest.
She's flawed in her design because of her passive, E and ult though: she lacks sustain, but she gets to be more resilient through sheer offensive builds (the effect of a BT on her shield... on top of the added damage) and her ult makes her more powerful for building offense (Jax's used to and was only changed because he felt too squishy rather than because he dealt too much damage, though).
Of course, that's also the case with AP casters (hence nerfs to AP Janna and stuff), but AD casters have always been fishy from a balance standpoint because enhancing their spells also enhances their autoattacks, which means they aren't as dependent on cooldowns as AP casters are for their damage, and their skirmishing/trading power skyrockets with some items.

Riven embodies that flaw because while the idea of combos and mixing spells and autos is enjoyable from a player's standpoint (and as much as I dislike Riven's design, I like the philosophy Xypherous went for), they make her an AD caster whose autoattacks are stronger than almost anybody's in the game, barring a glass cannon crit build (and possibly late game Zed as it doesn't need charges to have bonus AD).
So she has a pretty big burst already (720 + 3.7 bonus AD to 1040 + 4.9 bonus AD, all of which is AoE), but she also gets up to 6 charges (7 if her ult can proc it twice, and one more charge per item active used apparently), each adding 0.5 bonus AD to her autoattacks, working for full with lifesteal. She lacks range (though once she gets in there she has mobility) and true gap closers (compared to Kha/Rengar/Talon/Pantheon/Renekton) but even when all her spells are on cooldown and her ult's duration expired, if she still has charges she'll hit hard enough to maul a squishy.

The biggest offenders in the AP category, Orianna, Ziggs and TF don't really come close (not sure about Muramana Ryze, and Fizz's DoT is weaker if it doesn't last more than the initial hit). I guess a case could be made for AP Teemo though.


I actually haven't seen a Soraka or a Janna for like forever. Taric, Sona, Blitz are those I see the most, followed by Zyra, Lux and Leona.
Something feels wrong with that list. I should be seeing way more Lulu in my games, seeing how she's popular and all.


No poke, extremely mana-hungry, benefits from a load of stats (CDR mostly, seeing how it affects Mantra charges and the fact that she needs more rotations to output the same damage as other mages, and mana... but then she also needs some AP, and resists go so well on a team with her)... and still her laning-phase is strong as hell and she can be even more of a juggernaut than Swain during midgame fights near dragon and stuff.
I wish I hadn't paid attention to Riot announcing a rework almost a year ago, I had set my views on her but I never even bought her since I was always thinking "she'll change soon, I won't get too enjoy her too much" then every few months Riot went and said "no not now, but still working on it, it'll come!" and it'd start all over again. @_@

The rework has been announced to make her into a support rather than an AP carry, too... I hope they take the Nami approach to the support kit (ie support in their own glossary, not as the current meta role).

On December 30 2012 08:30 kainzero wrote:

i don't think it's useless. even if you know where it is, that's still one side that you effectively cannot gank through. and then, making you buy a pink and spending time to plant it and de-ward has its opportunity costs. i would agree that it's less effective, but i wouldn't say it's useless.

it's even more annoying in the era of sightstone, if you de-ward it i'll just drop my ward there again and make you waste more time clearing it.

Garvey ‏@GarveyNYC
@alexpenn @FeaRGnomesayin @TiberiusAudley Another problem is the saturation of tournament venues. S3 will see 3-5 tournys a week.

On December 30 2012 08:40 cLutZ wrote:


Janna and Soraka basically need teams built around them now

Who said something about league of sustain? Where is that?

On December 30 2012 08:50 nojitosunrise wrote:
Interesting tidbit about s3

https://twitter.com/GarveyNYC/status/285163154000973824

On December 30 2012 08:51 Slusher wrote:
Soraka is playable(and good) probly only with graves and mabye mf tho.

Janna on the otherhand is really undervalued imo shes really good with current boot trends her passive gives a huge advantage, and e max still wins a lot of trades.

On December 30 2012 08:50 onlywonderboy wrote:

The League of Sustain is probably in reference to the bottle+potions+ward start a lot people are doing these days.


I figure he means matches, not tournaments. That would be absurd.

On December 30 2012 07:22 arb wrote:

I dont wanna see 10ft tall skinny as fuck preteen Alistar.
His model is fine

On December 30 2012 09:08 UniversalSnip wrote:


when are they gonna normalize the champ heights? it's ridiculous how tall tf is