EPT(most) other carries = use a abilities to outplay
p.s. I don't mean literally so we don't need to get down to the nitty or anything, but I feel like this is a big reason people still play ez despite going from being the best to just being good.
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
(most) other carries = use a abilities to outplay p.s. I don't mean literally so we don't need to get down to the nitty or anything, but I feel like this is a big reason people still play ez despite going from being the best to just being good. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 30 2012 10:25 obesechicken13 wrote: I just watched the first vlad game Boots homeguard rush (after guise) isn't that great of a build imo especially considering they were not at your inhib yet. I think it overvalues movement speed a bit too much. You didn't often poke the ziggs. You were always lower than him. To me that's a sign not to gank your lane. Your playstyle was very passive so Ziggs did roam. He didn't pick up anything interesting from it but if you faced him a hundred times I think he'd start having an advantage. In the end you won the game due to some good teamfights like the one top where singed initiated with Nunu's shureleya to kill ziggs really fast. Then you guys got a baron. You were never the cause of the winning play though you weren't the cause of the losing ones either. I think you had good focus and were generally safe given the info available. That dragon at the beginning was really risky. Also who the f keeps pinging everyone to b? Tell me that's not you. that was not me, lol. I don't ping anything more than a couple of times. thanks for the response. I'd agree with you that I am not a big playmaker, and tend to play very passively. I'm not really sure how I'd improve on that though. It doesn't help that I was originally expecting to go top as vlad, and so got kinda thrown out of my comfort zone. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On December 30 2012 10:35 TSBspartacus wrote: Interesting, I may have to add it into my Vi build. You have to rush wriggles for the jungle farming OP-ness, would you say get BOTRK after phage or before? i skip wriggles. i don't even know who wriggles is good on anymore. with Vi, getting your passive and firing off E should clear jungles fast. machete/5 boots vamp scepter > bilge > BOTRK WEQ, max , R>E>W>Q | ||
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eagle
United States693 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On December 30 2012 10:25 obesechicken13 wrote: I just watched the first vlad game Boots homeguard rush (after guise) isn't that great of a build imo especially considering they were not at your inhib yet. I think it overvalues movement speed a bit too much. You didn't often poke the ziggs. You were always lower than him. To me that's a sign not to gank your lane. Your playstyle was very passive so Ziggs did roam. He didn't pick up anything interesting from it but if you faced him a hundred times I think he'd start having an advantage. In the end you won the game due to some good teamfights like the one top where singed initiated with Nunu's shureleya to kill ziggs really fast. Then you guys got a baron. You were never the cause of the winning play though you weren't the cause of the losing ones either. I think you had good focus and were generally safe given the info available. That dragon at the beginning was really risky. Also who the f keeps pinging everyone to b? Tell me that's not you. I took some notes on the TF game as it's the only champion I play in your set (but I'll probly watch vi later out of curiosity) 3:17 is when you first auto attack as a ranged champion vs a melee champion, with TF vs akali, you can blue card the shit out of her at 0 item vs 0 item pretty much up until level 6, she will start to win since she will be skilling q and aren't skilling the skill you are attacking with, but if you get her under half you can mix in some golds for garunteed q hits and zone potential. When Jarvan came to gank the gank started out perfect, he hit his combo you stunned, then she shrouded and you guys protected both sides, the problem is, your w came off cooldown while she was invis and you didn't draw a new card, had you gotten a gold she was dead 100%. item path: double doran on TF is not needed I thought mabye you did it for hp, because it is akali but idk it's just not that good next back you got a sheen, and third back you got boots2 like these are, I'm going to ult soon items, they for the price add very little to your ability to wave clear safely vs an assassin however even with these items you didn't use your ult until lvl9 @13m like, I'm not saying you should have ganked more, because bot was a mess and so was top to be honest, but if you aren't going to try you should work on your wave clear, so you can keep your distance from akali and apply global pressure simply by not being seen by mid minions. I closed it at 20 min, because it was a 40 min game that was pretty over at 20, the good news is your team had enough wave clear with Jarvan and Jayce that you should have been able to split push, but they could have just forced a fight and rolled you so it does not matter much. | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On December 30 2012 10:39 Slusher wrote: Gyrocopter = press steroid and auto attack from a good position. (most) other carries = use a abilities to outplay p.s. I don't mean literally so we don't need to get down to the nitty or anything, but I feel like this is a big reason people still play ez despite going from being the best to just being good. Sniper --> has 2 passive abilities, an ability no doubt stolen by MF (make it rain) and a point and click long range single target nuke. *Found the other major exception* | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
I am getting bored of League.. I can't really play for a dedicated 5s team, but solo que is tiring. I wish getting people all on at the same time was easy. Real life blows. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On December 30 2012 11:07 Inschato wrote: Sniper --> has 2 passive abilities, an ability no doubt stolen by MF (make it rain) and a point and click long range single target nuke. *Found the other major exception* there's also drow but she has a silence so there's some sort of ability to outplay people. and spectre too, he has 2 passives and the nocturne poop trail and he's mostly right click. i guess you can ult for mega radiance damage. and with manta you can kinda dodge projectiles. but who knows lately i've been playing lots of cleanse sivir. spell shield + cleanse + qss/mercurial is annoying as hell. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
and holy shit I put most specifically to avoid the responses ppl have come up with lol | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 30 2012 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote: no, I'm talking about LoL. http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/G-League_2012_Season_2 The page you linked actually links to the VODs at the bottom, lol. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
xD Thought that was hilarious | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Regarding DotA2, aren't most hard carries agi heroes (sometimes strength) with right-click steroids and survival tools that build mostly survivability, some damage and ride the scaling from said steroids to the late game? On December 30 2012 10:35 TSBspartacus wrote: Interesting, I may have to add it into my Vi build. You have to rush wriggles for the jungle farming OP-ness, would you say get BOTRK after phage or before? On December 30 2012 10:58 eagle wrote: i go wriggle/mercs/triforce/warmogs tri is really good with the e Don't need wriggles, just stop at madred's so you can roll buffs and dragon (plus it's kinda cheap for the armor) then worrks on the rest. Fuck warmogs, randuin's were it's at if you need tankiness from the jungle. Wit's is cool for long bruiser fights, I guess she can like zeke (cdr for more Es and Qs, some HP and the aura's nice if your top is a bruisery champ too), and phage/BC give you some damage as well (not sure if I like BC since apart from a well-placed ult only E apply stacks to other people. Did somebody have a link to an interactive s3 shop? I think I saw that sometimes. On December 30 2012 10:51 barbsq wrote: that was not me, lol. I don't ping anything more than a couple of times. thanks for the response. I'd agree with you that I am not a big playmaker, and tend to play very passively. I'm not really sure how I'd improve on that though. It doesn't help that I was originally expecting to go top as vlad, and so got kinda thrown out of my comfort zone. Only pick Leona and Alistar from now on. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15njqn/why_wickd_froggen_snoopeh_yellowpete_and_krepo/c7o23bx | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On December 30 2012 11:41 Alaric wrote: Cleanse Sivir -> It's captain Jack "fuck you" material (we have a VoD somewhere in the reviews). Regarding DotA2, aren't most hard carries agi heroes (sometimes strength) with right-click steroids and survival tools that build mostly survivability, some damage and ride the scaling from said steroids to the late game? I mean I guess kinda idk mabye I put my finger on the wrong spot, but playing the 1 in dota is so fun to me, whereas in lol I prefer literally every position to ad | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On December 30 2012 11:45 nojitosunrise wrote: ex-CLG.eu not joining Curse http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15njqn/why_wickd_froggen_snoopeh_yellowpete_and_krepo/c7o23bx I thought the consensus was them joining EG. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21705 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
You give Dragon bitch a BotRK, Hydra, Bulwark, a Mallet, and a Wits end she just melts everything while being absolutely unkillable. Best part is really that Shyvana's weakness in ganking early game covered up by the fact that really, no jungler has an easy time. That and it much more realistic to buy a Bilgewater now, because you can upgrade it later. I'd been building bilgewater on Shy shy in S2, but now it just silly strong. I've been having a lot of success by just going farm mode early with a build like this: Machete+5->Boots->BIlgewaterCutlass Then once you get bilgewater turn into a ganking monster. Your mid game with Ult, Bilgewater and Wits is disgusting. I think they buff farm jungling a ton. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On December 30 2012 11:45 Slusher wrote: I mean I guess kinda idk mabye I put my finger on the wrong spot, but playing the 1 in dota is so fun to me, whereas in lol I prefer literally every position to ad I don't really like AD because they generally kinda lack mobility—I mean they have, obviously, just look at when Ez/Corki/Graves were the 3 most picked. But their defining characteristic is range and autoattack steroid (only exception is Kennen, I guess, if you count W as aa steroid) just so they are both "safe" and adaptated to building righ-click glass cannons. I get the most kicks out of playing unkillable melee stuff and running around in fights making shit happens with spells, a la Udyr/Mundo/Swain/Irelia/Blitz, and they're way more forgiving positioning wise than an AD carry. It's really the glass cannon + dps that makes me bad at them I guess, since the glass cannon mages are fine. From what I understood stuff like Magina relies on mobility and big dps to survive rather than tankiness, but it's still more in the "running around and escaping" sense than "hoping I don't get cc'd and staying in the back at all times" ('k, there's BKB anyway). Watching the VoD of Chaox playing Swain makes me sad. I hoped to see good mechanics at work, esp. considering my last hitting on Swain. He's taking W level 1, misses Kat by a mile, then it doesn't matter because she lets him auto her like 6 times without running into her creep wave or anything.  | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On December 30 2012 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote: no, I'm talking about LoL. http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/G-League_2012_Season_2 this shows how i much i know about this game anymore stay free me | ||
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