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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 29 2012 18:02 GMT
#3961
On December 30 2012 02:54 Seuss wrote:
So I don't really understand the "toxic" label anymore, and I'm not sure what Riot is seeing in Riven.


It's quite simple. When you want to nerf something call it toxic. When you releasing a champion that has similar mechanic to something you called toxic before say how you will never release a champion like that again. Riot devs seem to be 90% marketing speak.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 29 2012 18:11 GMT
#3962
god, i'm so fucking tired of seeing ez's stupid face in every goddamn game. I honestly cannot remember the last game he wasn't picked.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 18:20:59
December 29 2012 18:18 GMT
#3963
Sry to interrupt, but I just got to 1400 WEEEEEEEE. Got carried pretty hard though anyway, goal is 1500, so I'm nearly there

Hm, since I'll probably get a warning for spamming if I dont write anything related to the topic (and rightly so!) I'll just add this insanly useful screenshot and link and proclaim that diana and rengar have been nerfed too much!
[image loading]
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
December 29 2012 18:20 GMT
#3964
On December 30 2012 03:18 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Sry to interrupt, but I just got to 1400 WEEEEEEEE. Got carried pretty hard though anyway, goal is 1500, so I'm nearly there

Hm, since I'll probably get a warning for spamming if I dont write anything related to the topic (and rightly so!) I'll just add this insanly useful screenshot and link and proclaim that diana and rengar have been nerfed too much!
[image loading]


What exactly is with Karma's win rate. I really don't understand it. I know she's subpar, but you'd think that with such a low amount of people playing her, she'd be good by those people.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 29 2012 18:22 GMT
#3965
I don't think that winrate proves they have been nerfed too much. It could mean that people that were playing them only did well because they were overpowered now don't know how to properly play them. Dunno too vague.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 29 2012 18:23 GMT
#3966
On December 30 2012 03:20 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 03:18 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Sry to interrupt, but I just got to 1400 WEEEEEEEE. Got carried pretty hard though anyway, goal is 1500, so I'm nearly there

Hm, since I'll probably get a warning for spamming if I dont write anything related to the topic (and rightly so!) I'll just add this insanly useful screenshot and link and proclaim that diana and rengar have been nerfed too much!
[image loading]


What exactly is with Karma's win rate. I really don't understand it. I know she's subpar, but you'd think that with such a low amount of people playing her, she'd be good by those people.


Sometimes the people who play an underpowered champion are simply those who don't know any better.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 29 2012 18:25 GMT
#3967
On December 30 2012 03:18 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Sry to interrupt, but I just got to 1400 WEEEEEEEE. Got carried pretty hard though anyway, goal is 1500, so I'm nearly there

Hm, since I'll probably get a warning for spamming if I dont write anything related to the topic (and rightly so!) I'll just add this insanly useful screenshot and link and proclaim that diana and rengar have been nerfed too much!
[image loading]


If we get warned for not posting on topic, we'd all be fucked.

Also, champs that were previously OP will often experience lower win rates after a nerf because people were used to facerolling for a win, so now they actually have to know what they're doing.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 29 2012 18:27 GMT
#3968
And then there's Karma
A backwards poet writes inverse.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 29 2012 18:29 GMT
#3969
On December 30 2012 03:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
And then there's Karma


I think part of the issue with Karma (I had this discussion with Smash a while back), is that people don't know how to play WITH a Karma, and thus, the team fails.

She is actually quite powerful when built as a tanky mage (because of her passive), but it's hard to get a team to synergize with her.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 29 2012 18:30 GMT
#3970
On December 30 2012 03:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 03:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
And then there's Karma


I think part of the issue with Karma (I had this discussion with Smash a while back), is that people don't know how to play WITH a Karma, and thus, the team fails.

She is actually quite powerful when built as a tanky mage (because of her passive), but it's hard to get a team to synergize with her.

all u need is singed
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 29 2012 18:30 GMT
#3971
There's also the small detail of her trash W and non-existant ult.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 18:33:26
December 29 2012 18:33 GMT
#3972
Well, yes, the fact that her lvl 6 abilities pretty much scale to the same height as everyone else's lvl 5 abilities certainly hurts things. But I actually like her W.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 29 2012 18:34 GMT
#3973
On December 30 2012 02:54 Seuss wrote:
My impression of Riven was that she was in a similar place to Wukong, fairly balanced but a subpar laning phase due to the lack of sustain. She does gain both offense and defense from building AD, but her damage is counterable. She is a strong late-game carry, but even when she gets there she isn't invincible (especially with the GA nerf).

If you want toxic, look at Akali. Give her an inch in lane and you've lost because she'll win every trade and heal up completely while zoning you.

So I don't really understand the "toxic" label anymore, and I'm not sure what Riot is seeing in Riven.

? are you kidding me? Riven's 1v1 lane is still one of the best, she has very few "losing" match ups, the rest are skill match ups.

Her real weakness recently, is inability to 1v2 appropriately, requires GOLD to do her job properly. You could essentially play Malph, and contribute equally to the fight as a Riven, but with only half the gold. Also, with GA nerf it hurts Rivens ability to tank after first BT.
liftlift > tsm
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
December 29 2012 18:35 GMT
#3974
On December 30 2012 03:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
And then there's Karma

I enjoy playing Karma because most people have no idea whats is going on ^^
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 29 2012 18:39 GMT
#3975
problem with karma imo is the same as pre rework eve. Pre rework eve was actually still good if you could somehow get items (get your lane camped w/e) but ppl would give up the moment they saw her picked.

not that I'm an advocate of pre rework eve top winning all matchups or anything like that l0l
Carrilord has arrived.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
December 29 2012 18:52 GMT
#3976
So. I've got a blue ribbon. Does that mean I'm a good person?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 18:54:35
December 29 2012 18:53 GMT
#3977
On December 30 2012 03:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
There's also the small detail of her trash W and non-existant ult.

her w is really good o.O

edit: to an extent, it's incredibly strong in some teamcomps. Diving bruisers get a huge benefit out of karma's w.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 29 2012 18:53 GMT
#3978
On December 30 2012 03:52 Terranasaur wrote:
So. I've got a blue ribbon. Does that mean I'm a good person?


Means you're a shitty beer.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 29 2012 18:55 GMT
#3979
Karma is simply lackluster.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
December 29 2012 18:55 GMT
#3980
A huge part of karma's subpar winrate is that a lot of people only pick her to troll.

That and they play her as 0 cs support gg
boomer hands
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