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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11831 Posts
December 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#3801
I always find it weird when people act like there is a shortage of porn on the internet. Sure, it is different if you know the girl, but if you have easy access to a basically endless supply of pictures and videos, a random drunk girl taking off her shirt on some stream is not that interesting in my opinion.

But it is apparently a good way to get your stream known.

Regarding the gold, in my opinion you are always poor as a jungler. Sometimes you are even poorer then the support. Now calculate that you waste about a thousand gold on items that do absolutely nothing whatsoever in a fight, and junglers are pathetically poor.

Mundo somehow still feels tanky and strong without large amounts of money with just a warmogs and/or randuins, and maybe the spirit stone lateron. I have no idea why that is, to be honest. But Mundo gets very tanky very quickly.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 02:14:06
December 29 2012 02:13 GMT
#3802
I dont understand what makes Dorans blades so much worse now than they used to be. They're strictly better than Dblades last season, unless you do 200 damage a hit at which point you'll be lifestealing more than you will doing 199 or less with the dorans now. Which realistically the 5 health gained wont matter since you wont be doing this till long after the dorans are going to actually help you i.e in lane

is it the sell back cost? they still provide health atleast, or did vamp sceptre providing AD make them not as good?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#3803
On December 29 2012 10:30 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 10:28 dnastyx wrote:
On December 29 2012 09:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
At least when I make shit up it actually ends up kind of almost working. Like AD Malz. And jungle TF.

Still need to see if I can do that in season 3 though. Im kinda thinking it may be impossible.


trust me you can do whatever you want at 1200 elo and it'll work.

:3


Jungle TF is such a bitch if you don't get a smiteless. Spent like 5 hours the other night working on it, best I made it to was lvl 4 after wraiths b4 I had to recall with 0 leash (empty game).

On that note I still win like 65% of my games at 1200~ elo with jungle Diana and have an 81% winrate this month with jungle Akali, anything can happen at that elo.

Edit: Try tank jungle Leona. Clear speed is slow as balls but you will have so much armor/mr you won't take much damage. Also you can start ganking at lvl 2-3.

I like playing stupid junglers. Still have yet to jungle Annie in a real game however T_T.

Leona is one of my favorite nonstandard jungles. Uber strong ganks.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 29 2012 02:18 GMT
#3804
who is saying they are bad? the main reason you rarely see 2 now is because you need to buy a long sword to make a vamp sceptor (non-dead end item vs dead end item)

so I think yes?
Carrilord has arrived.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#3805
On December 29 2012 11:12 Simberto wrote:
I always find it weird when people act like there is a shortage of porn on the internet. Sure, it is different if you know the girl, but if you have easy access to a basically endless supply of pictures and videos, a random drunk girl taking off her shirt on some stream is not that interesting in my opinion.

But it is apparently a good way to get your stream known.

Regarding the gold, in my opinion you are always poor as a jungler. Sometimes you are even poorer then the support. Now calculate that you waste about a thousand gold on items that do absolutely nothing whatsoever in a fight, and junglers are pathetically poor.

Mundo somehow still feels tanky and strong without large amounts of money with just a warmogs and/or randuins, and maybe the spirit stone lateron. I have no idea why that is, to be honest. But Mundo gets very tanky very quickly.


Rule 34: If it exists there is porn of it

As it happens, someone I know was banned for posting links to ummm+ Show Spoiler +
yordle porn
on the LoL forums.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
December 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#3806
On December 29 2012 11:12 Simberto wrote:
I always find it weird when people act like there is a shortage of porn on the internet. Sure, it is different if you know the girl, but if you have easy access to a basically endless supply of pictures and videos, a random drunk girl taking off her shirt on some stream is not that interesting in my opinion.

But it is apparently a good way to get your stream known.

Regarding the gold, in my opinion you are always poor as a jungler. Sometimes you are even poorer then the support. Now calculate that you waste about a thousand gold on items that do absolutely nothing whatsoever in a fight, and junglers are pathetically poor.

Mundo somehow still feels tanky and strong without large amounts of money with just a warmogs and/or randuins, and maybe the spirit stone lateron. I have no idea why that is, to be honest. But Mundo gets very tanky very quickly.

Porn is boring. It's the same thing over and over again with bad acting. Kind of like Seinfeld.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 02:21:42
December 29 2012 02:20 GMT
#3807
On December 29 2012 11:13 arb wrote:
I dont understand what makes Dorans blades so much worse now than they used to be. They're strictly better than Dblades last season, unless you do 200 damage a hit at which point you'll be lifestealing more than you will doing 199 or less with the dorans now. Which realistically the 5 health gained wont matter since you wont be doing this till long after the dorans are going to actually help you i.e in lane

is it the sell back cost? they still provide health atleast, or did vamp sceptre providing AD make them not as good?

People too busy buying bruta on everyone including AD carries, they just get a long sword and 2 pots if they have 475.

Also vamp scepter, yeah. But even people not buying it don't buy dblades from what I've seen. I like a dshield with someone like XIn when I'm against a Teemo or Nid or something though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 29 2012 02:22 GMT
#3808
On December 29 2012 11:20 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 11:13 arb wrote:
I dont understand what makes Dorans blades so much worse now than they used to be. They're strictly better than Dblades last season, unless you do 200 damage a hit at which point you'll be lifestealing more than you will doing 199 or less with the dorans now. Which realistically the 5 health gained wont matter since you wont be doing this till long after the dorans are going to actually help you i.e in lane

is it the sell back cost? they still provide health atleast, or did vamp sceptre providing AD make them not as good?

People too busy buying bruta on everyone including AD carries, they just get a long sword and 2 pots if they have 475.

Also vamp scepter, yeah. But even people not buying it don't buy dblades from what I've seen. I like a dshield with someone like XIn when I'm against a Teemo or Nid or something though.

Like generally, ive been going vamp + 1 dorans botlane. but i dont see why 2 dorans wouldnt be doable if you were rushing IE over BT so i dunno.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 29 2012 02:25 GMT
#3809
just found out that anivia wall can stop nocturne ult
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 29 2012 02:26 GMT
#3810
Maybe it's out of habit. Most people won't make the math and try to see if 2 dblades beats vamp (it should until 100 AD, which actually comes pretty fast), so they get the vamp out of habit;
Unless I'm against a bursty lane or I don't have a sustain support so the HP suits me (or I plan to play very aggressively and want the 20 AD) I would gladly skip the dblades for a vamp though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 29 2012 02:26 GMT
#3811
On December 29 2012 11:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:
just found out that anivia wall can stop nocturne ult


Like, Noc can hit the wall?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 02:33:01
December 29 2012 02:26 GMT
#3812
On December 29 2012 11:11 TheYango wrote:
The thing is, any "gold increase" in the new jungle is essentially nullified by the necessity of investing so much gold into a zero-combat-stat item to be able to access that level of jungle gold.

Even if you get marginally more gold from the jungle, it's not 800 more gold by 15 minutes, so you still come out with less gold worth of combat stats in the period of time where junglers generally have the largest impact on the game.

It's not just that you're lacking combat stats. (The old wriggles had more AD than the current one while costing the same but has a higher proc damage, and spirit stone has no combat stats) but also jungler items don't scale well with other items. There's nothing that scales well with wriggles. It doesn't work well with on hit builds.

The spirit stone items are a no combat item gold sink.

On December 29 2012 11:13 arb wrote:
I dont understand what makes Dorans blades so much worse now than they used to be. They're strictly better than Dblades last season, unless you do 200 damage a hit at which point you'll be lifestealing more than you will doing 199 or less with the dorans now. Which realistically the 5 health gained wont matter since you wont be doing this till long after the dorans are going to actually help you i.e in lane

is it the sell back cost? they still provide health atleast, or did vamp sceptre providing AD make them not as good?

The sell back cost wasn't changed. Doran's always provided 50% sell back.

I mentioned this a while back. The sustain is really nice in a matchup like Teemo vs Yorick where the lane is constantly pushing towards you meaning you can autoattack a lot, and you're constantly getting harassed, and you just want to survive laning phase and you don't want cata.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 29 2012 02:28 GMT
#3813
Shake is so mannered in soloQ.

He's telling everyone to stay positive and asking people what they got for Christmas despite all the lanes feeding.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 02:30:32
December 29 2012 02:29 GMT
#3814
On December 29 2012 11:05 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 10:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Finally got around to playing A LOT of season 3 games in the past 2 days. Most of my games are with jungle (yeah huge ass learning curve alright). I fucking hate machete as an item. It's so stupid, Riot was like "We want to increase item diversity at level 1, SO LETS PUT A MUST NEED JUNGLE ITEM for junglers", So stupid, before I could start dblade riven, or dblade lee sin, nope. now I'm forced to get wriggles/madreds. At least back in S2, Madreds gave AD stats to help gank, before wriggles, but now? NOPE.

Boots? yeah, tier 1 doesn't really help much, so you're stuck in a limbo of "get item or boots tier 1". get boots tier 1, and you're just stuck on 350 gold sink, that doesn't help that much, just waiting for huge ms boost for tier 2.

yeah, itemization blows for jungle this season; despite gold income increase.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm mad.


What gold increases?

Seriously. Maybe I suck at farming, but there isn't more jungle gold, for junglers, because the gold starts off lower and doesn't ramp up until late laning or after laning. Don't get me started on jungle EXP. How am I supposed to be a tank out of the jungle when the AP mid is 3 levels higher than me?

I do have more gold than S2, but that is because I'm playing Mundo and Olaf instead of Nunu and Maokai, when I played S2 Olaf or Mundo I felt much stronger. #1 Boots starts ARE stronger, #2 You aren't always at low HP if you didnt get an elite leash, and #3 because bottle + consumables starts means no one else is ever not topped off anyways.

/grumble


You do have more gold, because of how lanes workout, I find my self farming lanes a lot more than S2. So somehow I usually end up with more gold than top lane~, usually at 3rd farm position rather than 4th.
But yeah, fuck machete 5 pot start.

I'd say around 30-35 min mark is when you'll have more gold than you would in s2.
liftlift > tsm
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 02:30:06
December 29 2012 02:29 GMT
#3815
On December 29 2012 11:19 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 11:12 Simberto wrote:
I always find it weird when people act like there is a shortage of porn on the internet. Sure, it is different if you know the girl, but if you have easy access to a basically endless supply of pictures and videos, a random drunk girl taking off her shirt on some stream is not that interesting in my opinion.

But it is apparently a good way to get your stream known.

Regarding the gold, in my opinion you are always poor as a jungler. Sometimes you are even poorer then the support. Now calculate that you waste about a thousand gold on items that do absolutely nothing whatsoever in a fight, and junglers are pathetically poor.

Mundo somehow still feels tanky and strong without large amounts of money with just a warmogs and/or randuins, and maybe the spirit stone lateron. I have no idea why that is, to be honest. But Mundo gets very tanky very quickly.

Porn is boring. It's the same thing over and over again with bad acting. Kind of like Seinfeld.


woahhhhh....hey now
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#3816
On December 29 2012 11:19 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 11:12 Simberto wrote:
I always find it weird when people act like there is a shortage of porn on the internet. Sure, it is different if you know the girl, but if you have easy access to a basically endless supply of pictures and videos, a random drunk girl taking off her shirt on some stream is not that interesting in my opinion.

But it is apparently a good way to get your stream known.

Regarding the gold, in my opinion you are always poor as a jungler. Sometimes you are even poorer then the support. Now calculate that you waste about a thousand gold on items that do absolutely nothing whatsoever in a fight, and junglers are pathetically poor.

Mundo somehow still feels tanky and strong without large amounts of money with just a warmogs and/or randuins, and maybe the spirit stone lateron. I have no idea why that is, to be honest. But Mundo gets very tanky very quickly.

Porn is boring. It's the same thing over and over again with bad acting. Kind of like Seinfeld.

Toeing the line there sir
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 29 2012 02:35 GMT
#3817
I've been leaving machete un-upgraded a lot. It messes with early dragons, but I haven't made a definitive choice if its better/worse than just getting another item.
Freeeeeeedom
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
December 29 2012 02:36 GMT
#3818
Porn is boring. It's the same thing over and over again with bad acting


hence the amateur revolution (eg self-tapes and cams). It's like summoner'scode.com. Mostly authentic, always filthy, occasionally inspiring and frequently hilarious.
Poisonous Sheep counter Hydras
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#3819
On December 29 2012 11:26 obesechicken13 wrote:
The sell back cost wasn't changed. Doran's always provided 50% sell back.

They got nerfed to 40% sell back.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#3820
On December 29 2012 11:28 Praetorial wrote:
Shake is so mannered in soloQ.

He's telling everyone to stay positive and asking people what they got for Christmas despite all the lanes feeding.


He's just hiding his rage. Inside he's a cauldron of hate and piss.

At least that's what people say about every other streamer who doesn't abuse their teammates occasionally.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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