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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#3781
On December 29 2012 09:56 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 09:47 Alaric wrote:
AD Malz should be even stronger (not sure about jungle AD Malz, s3 changes and pet additionnal damage and stuff), especially with flask and BC in the game. I'm surprised I haven't encountered one yet.


I think the minions dont stack BC.

Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 09:45 JBright wrote:
On December 29 2012 09:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
PX was banned?
I'm pretty sure I saw him post in this or the last GD thread. It was just not quite on pre-remake-Eve-top levels, so nobody noticed prolly.


Have you already forgotten "Best argument NA?"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17231416


I get sad when people dont get me when I say Best ___ NA.

if they did that'd be fucking obnoxious
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
December 29 2012 01:15 GMT
#3782
On December 29 2012 09:01 Slusher wrote:
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I don’t know if ggod is still browsing the thread for goat zoo feedback but I just wanted to provide some feedback surrounding the two most talked about games in this thread
a) the game vs. team M A R N
b) the game vs. FXO
although I feel like because the games are broadcast from Plords pov a lot of what has been said has been about plord but it’s all been very general so yes (I’m going to go in on Phantom big surprise) but there were specifics I feel like haven’t been gone into which really bother me. Mainly I’ve been on teams where there a guy, who is valuable to the team for one reason or another can be skill can be connections, can be anything, that nobody is allowed to talk about. I felt this was so glaring in the game vs. Marn that it gave me flashbacks to having people like this on teams I had been on.

It’s really hard to examine what went wrong or what could have gone better in a game when you are being forced to ignore an entire character, the story of the Marncatz game as portrayed on stream was that the sidelanes adapted to a lane swap really well, but then failed to transition that advantage into the later game, a lot of it getting pinned on even as you said on this forum, your positioning. I don’t think it can be ignored, but at the same time when Nancy mentions how big Ahri was and Jax and Phantom shut him down instantly and tell him it’s ONLY Vayne, it makes pisses me off.

I’ve been in that situation where your team knows they have a hothead and they just try to examine and strategize as though he played well every game, and I feel it isn’t only counter-productive but it creates cliques, wouldn’t surprise me if Nancy and vfx for instance have an msn chat off to the side where they are talking about how phantom played last game, and I’m not trying to say they are bad people for it, it just happens in these settings.

So if I was to examine Phantom as a teammate and be constructive I would say it might be time for Phantom to stop playing Karthus I still think he hits predictive qs better than almost anyone I’ve been able to watch PoV of but I just don’t think Karth fits his playstyle at all anymore and this is where the two aforementioned games come into play. First while playing Ahri vs. Navi’s Ori he lements the fact that Navi isn’t interested in skirmishing (which to Navi’s credit isn’t the way to play the match up from his side) so instead he goes and succeeds in making plays in his side lanes. Now in this game Navi just farms like a beast and makes lategame plays while goat zoo didn’t really convert Phantoms early plays into a big enough advantage.


Now we skip to the game vs marn in which Phantom is playing basically the same matchup (strategy wise) but from the opposite side and he opens boots 3 while making a comment about hating people who afk farm mid lane. Well here in lies the problem (and where people may disagree with me) Karthus has been nerfed repeatedly by Riot, but in the spirit of not ruining the theme of the champion I like how riot has let him keep his late game, in return for getting afk farm at best in lane (the last nerf to wall being the nail in the coffin) Karthus makes up for this with global pressure thru his ult, which Phantom all but gives up by not opening RoA, he is literally dealing base damage ults with no spellpen usually into lvl 2 ult because of his build path and even then he goes revolver first ap item i.e. extremely low damage.

And even with this build he’s running aggressive summoners (revive teleport albeit cheese is a playmaking summoner set which has no synergy with his build path). Looking at the Marn game one more time, only this time pretending Phantom afk farms mid vs Ahri and goes RoA there is no way you can walk through a Karthus with damage and get to a Cait with 2v1 farm and live to tell about it, all he had to do was farm and it would have made your job 100x easier. And if that’s not how he wants to play that’s fine too, but then maybe he should play his Ziggs more, maybe go with a top 3 of ZIggs, Ahri and some other assassin, fuck man, I know he wants to be hipster about his champions but Eve is like made for him, a playmaker, who can roam thru wards, who does really good damage without having to farm 100+ minions first.

Anyway he’s been picked on enough I hope this came across as more constructive than just being a dick.

sorry for wall to everyone who isn't ggod.

Yea his playstyle needs to fit the champion and karthus isnt. But the other part is really his itembuild and he needs to gonna focus on lasthitting because that is 1599 elo.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
December 29 2012 01:16 GMT
#3783
On December 29 2012 09:56 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 09:47 Alaric wrote:
AD Malz should be even stronger (not sure about jungle AD Malz, s3 changes and pet additionnal damage and stuff), especially with flask and BC in the game. I'm surprised I haven't encountered one yet.


I think the minions dont stack BC.


The minions do stack BC (I tested this) and according to the wiki they benefit from arpen (haven't tested this)

AD Jungle Malz has a really smooth initial clear (a lot better than AP malz) but he really lacks good options for mana and CDR. If riot adds 10% CDR on the AD spirit stone upgrade then that would help him out a lot. I'm still at a loss for what to do about his mana, manamune isn't exactly the best item for him and chalice doesn't have the greatest build paths. Philo + Spirit Stone is decent but is a lot of gold put into regen stats.

The best games with jungle malz are when nobody on your team really wants blue buff, so you can just go 21-0-9 with ionian boots and blue buff for 39% CDR, then rush bloodthirster
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 29 2012 01:17 GMT
#3784
I don't think it's an issue with him not knowing how to lasthit so much as he constantly wants to skirmish, and Karth fucking blows at anything other than ulting or sitting in the middle of your team with defile on.
Carrilord has arrived.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 29 2012 01:18 GMT
#3785
why is one of these solomid streams two girls, one of which is in short shorts and dancing on a bed

nice
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 01:21:44
December 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#3786
On December 29 2012 10:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
why is one of these solomid streams two girls, one of which is in short shorts and dancing on a bed

nice

Uhh yea, happy holidays to everyone.

http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=4554 1200 viewers gained in less than 5 minutes. Get it.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 29 2012 01:23 GMT
#3787
GIRL TAKING SHIRT OFF?

might close ShakeDrizzle stream now
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 29 2012 01:25 GMT
#3788
Shirt came off, more dancing, sliding the bra off, admin shuts shit down.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 29 2012 01:25 GMT
#3789
Looks like they hosed the stream already.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
December 29 2012 01:27 GMT
#3790
WE NEED LIVEREPORT
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dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 01:30:33
December 29 2012 01:28 GMT
#3791
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 01:29:15
December 29 2012 01:28 GMT
#3792
Guys, guys, check this, on the internet, there's this drunk girl on a LoL stream without a shirt. ON THE INTERNET.

So funny XD

Edit: Just evolved to hydra OP
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 01:36:12
December 29 2012 01:30 GMT
#3793
On December 29 2012 10:28 dnastyx wrote:
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On December 29 2012 09:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
At least when I make shit up it actually ends up kind of almost working. Like AD Malz. And jungle TF.

Still need to see if I can do that in season 3 though. Im kinda thinking it may be impossible.


trust me you can do whatever you want at 1200 elo and it'll work.

:3


Jungle TF is such a bitch if you don't get a smiteless. Spent like 5 hours the other night working on it, best I made it to was lvl 4 after wraiths b4 I had to recall with 0 leash (empty game).

On that note I still win like 65% of my games at 1200~ elo with jungle Diana and have an 81% winrate this month with jungle Akali, anything can happen at that elo.

Edit: Try tank jungle Leona. Clear speed is slow as balls but you will have so much armor/mr you won't take much damage. Also you can start ganking at lvl 2-3.

I like playing stupid junglers. Still have yet to jungle Annie in a real game however T_T.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 01:54:56
December 29 2012 01:54 GMT
#3794
Finally got around to playing A LOT of season 3 games in the past 2 days. Most of my games are with jungle (yeah huge ass learning curve alright). I fucking hate machete as an item. It's so stupid, Riot was like "We want to increase item diversity at level 1, SO LETS PUT A MUST NEED JUNGLE ITEM for junglers", So stupid, before I could start dblade riven, or dblade lee sin, nope. now I'm forced to get wriggles/madreds. At least back in S2, Madreds gave AD stats to help gank, before wriggles, but now? NOPE.

Boots? yeah, tier 1 doesn't really help much, so you're stuck in a limbo of "get item or boots tier 1". get boots tier 1, and you're just stuck on 350 gold sink, that doesn't help that much, just waiting for huge ms boost for tier 2.

yeah, itemization blows for jungle this season; despite gold income increase.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm mad.
liftlift > tsm
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 29 2012 01:57 GMT
#3795
On December 29 2012 10:19 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 10:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
why is one of these solomid streams two girls, one of which is in short shorts and dancing on a bed

nice

Uhh yea, happy holidays to everyone.

http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=4554 1200 viewers gained in less than 5 minutes. Get it.


It's like Loco but less funny
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
ArcTimes
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru269 Posts
December 29 2012 02:03 GMT
#3796
they closed it
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 29 2012 02:05 GMT
#3797
On December 29 2012 10:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Finally got around to playing A LOT of season 3 games in the past 2 days. Most of my games are with jungle (yeah huge ass learning curve alright). I fucking hate machete as an item. It's so stupid, Riot was like "We want to increase item diversity at level 1, SO LETS PUT A MUST NEED JUNGLE ITEM for junglers", So stupid, before I could start dblade riven, or dblade lee sin, nope. now I'm forced to get wriggles/madreds. At least back in S2, Madreds gave AD stats to help gank, before wriggles, but now? NOPE.

Boots? yeah, tier 1 doesn't really help much, so you're stuck in a limbo of "get item or boots tier 1". get boots tier 1, and you're just stuck on 350 gold sink, that doesn't help that much, just waiting for huge ms boost for tier 2.

yeah, itemization blows for jungle this season; despite gold income increase.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm mad.


What gold increases?

Seriously. Maybe I suck at farming, but there isn't more jungle gold, for junglers, because the gold starts off lower and doesn't ramp up until late laning or after laning. Don't get me started on jungle EXP. How am I supposed to be a tank out of the jungle when the AP mid is 3 levels higher than me?

I do have more gold than S2, but that is because I'm playing Mundo and Olaf instead of Nunu and Maokai, when I played S2 Olaf or Mundo I felt much stronger. #1 Boots starts ARE stronger, #2 You aren't always at low HP if you didnt get an elite leash, and #3 because bottle + consumables starts means no one else is ever not topped off anyways.

/grumble
Freeeeeeedom
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 29 2012 02:05 GMT
#3798
And thus the boobs lost the grand war of 2012
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17255 Posts
December 29 2012 02:09 GMT
#3799
On December 29 2012 11:05 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 10:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Finally got around to playing A LOT of season 3 games in the past 2 days. Most of my games are with jungle (yeah huge ass learning curve alright). I fucking hate machete as an item. It's so stupid, Riot was like "We want to increase item diversity at level 1, SO LETS PUT A MUST NEED JUNGLE ITEM for junglers", So stupid, before I could start dblade riven, or dblade lee sin, nope. now I'm forced to get wriggles/madreds. At least back in S2, Madreds gave AD stats to help gank, before wriggles, but now? NOPE.

Boots? yeah, tier 1 doesn't really help much, so you're stuck in a limbo of "get item or boots tier 1". get boots tier 1, and you're just stuck on 350 gold sink, that doesn't help that much, just waiting for huge ms boost for tier 2.

yeah, itemization blows for jungle this season; despite gold income increase.

EDIT: Yeah, I'm mad.


What gold increases?

Seriously. Maybe I suck at farming, but there isn't more jungle gold, for junglers, because the gold starts off lower and doesn't ramp up until late laning or after laning. Don't get me started on jungle EXP. How am I supposed to be a tank out of the jungle when the AP mid is 3 levels higher than me?

I do have more gold than S2, but that is because I'm playing Mundo and Olaf instead of Nunu and Maokai, when I played S2 Olaf or Mundo I felt much stronger. #1 Boots starts ARE stronger, #2 You aren't always at low HP if you didnt get an elite leash, and #3 because bottle + consumables starts means no one else is ever not topped off anyways.

/grumble

In addition to being stronger than only the support, you also have to waste your entire initial sum of gold on items useless for fighting (machete + 5 pots).
twitch.tv/cratonz
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#3800
The thing is, any "gold increase" in the new jungle is essentially nullified by the necessity of investing so much gold into a zero-combat-stat item to be able to access that level of jungle gold.

Even if you get marginally more gold from the jungle, it's not 800 more gold by 15 minutes, so you still come out with less gold worth of combat stats in the period of time where junglers generally have the largest impact on the game.
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