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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:01 UniversalSnip wrote: shikyo, as far as I know, never actually got smacked down, and xizor was way over the line, and will probably still be when he comes back. Shikyo got smacked down when he went to dota 2 forum and started sprouting trash. Stuff like PA farming faster than AM with BF and other crap. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:06 Tula wrote: Maybe, but forgive me if i mention that Xavi and iniesta are getting a metric ton of money from their teams as well. It's easy to be loyal if the "new" offers are maybe 10% more, if the choice is double your money for example the call will be much harder. Frankly it depends on their new offer, but I've always been a fan of clg.eu far more than clg.us, so I might be slightly biased here  ya probably not the best example haha but I guess I just wanted to emphasize that there is no such thing as loyalty in esports yet unless you have been with an orga for 5+ years like Hasu or even the sc2 liquid guys, but among those nobody is good enough to get a 6 figure contract from a bigger team anyway | ||
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LazyFailKid
Canada750 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:07 Numy wrote: Shikyo got smacked down when he went to dota 2 forum and started sprouting trash. Stuff like PA farming faster than AM with BF and other crap. Didn't help that he was telling people build X>build Y and when someone looked at his recent games, he was using build Y pretty much every game. Edit: wait what happened to him? does he still even visit TL anymore? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
you really need a good hero to take advantage of your ult. her bubble is super hard to hit, like leshrac level 1 split earth. and then it costs a shit ton of mana and has a long cooldown. her heal seems underwhelming in teamfights and her enchantment is only good when chasing someone with no escape. i feel like janna/lulu are much better options than her at this point. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9134 Posts
On December 29 2012 07:57 UniversalSnip wrote: tisn't. articles are subject to all the same pressures comments are. Good summary here. http://www.reddit.com/r/circlebroke/comments/vqy9y/dear_circlebrokers_what_changes_would_you_make_to/c56x55f Essentially if you want any quality content at all you have to filter out any popular subreddits because the selection mechanism turns them into garbage. It takes all the problems that were discussed earlier and multiplies the effect. I've got it down to like... askscience, math, horsemask, and depthhub and it's tolerable. I was referring to r/leagueoflegends which has its own problems but is at least strictly moderated content-wise compared to the laissez-faire approach on many default subs. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:28 kainzero wrote: the more nami i play, the more underwhelming she feels. you really need a good hero to take advantage of your ult. her bubble is super hard to hit, like leshrac level 1 split earth. and then it costs a shit ton of mana and has a long cooldown. her heal seems underwhelming in teamfights and her enchantment is only good when chasing someone with no escape. i feel like janna/lulu are much better options than her at this point. I think Nami is OK, but situational. I played her 4 times in ranked and I won 3 (I also played probably 6-7 times in normal). The one I lost I derped really, REALLY hard. There was one game I played as Nami while streaming and I also derped really hard... my team was behind the whole time.... then I pressed R and won, pretty much. I only played Nami + Draven bot lane though. I don't think she is workable without Draven or possibly MF. | ||
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StrigHT
United States49 Posts
He sees them and says "look at everything we did for you!!" without really acknowledging that the EU team has been carrying the CLG brand name for the past 8 months in a way that CLG.na couldn't. Team sponsorship is not some R&D project with early sunk costs leading to later payouts because you don't technically own the end product. The question has to be one of "did carrying CLG.eu at whatever it cost us work out?" and then "would matching the offer they received from [insent new sponsor] bring us satisfactory return on our investment?" The answer was obviously no, and that is the end of it. The market has determined not that CLG got screwed by CLG.eu, but that apparently they were getting a pretty good deal during the latter months of their contract - if their new market price is so much higher now. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:34 StrigHT wrote: The problem is that Chauster is looking at the CLG.eu situation from the wrong angle. He sees them and says "look at everything we did for you!!" without really acknowledging that the EU team has been carrying the CLG brand name for the past 8 months in a way that CLG.na couldn't. Team sponsorship is not some R&D project with early sunk costs leading to later payouts because you don't technically own the end product. The question has to be one of "did carrying CLG.eu at whatever it cost us work out?" and then "would matching the offer they received from [insent new sponsor] bring us satisfactory return on our investment?" The answer was obviously no, and that is the end of it. The market has determined not that CLG got screwed by CLG.eu, but that apparently they were getting a pretty good deal during the latter months of their contract - if their new market price is so much higher now. Of course. But we all know that people at CLGNA have huge egos. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On December 29 2012 07:13 JBright wrote: Dota(2) at least has several big-ish outlets for people to spread out so not all of them come on TL but LoL really only has reddit and LoL forums. I think you have a very skewed view of the "Lol community," whatever tha tis, if you think TL LoL is anything more than an insignificant speck right now lol. comparing it to r/leagueoflegends is just ridiculously (inaccurately) self-important. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Of course. But we all know that people at CLGNA have huge egos. I don't know about that. It sounded more like the way they left more than the fact they left. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I think you have a very skewed view of the "Lol community," whatever tha tis, if you think TL LoL is anything more than an insignificant speck right now lol. comparing it to r/leagueoflegends is just ridiculously (inaccurately) self-important. I guess I should have been more clear. I meant r/leagueoflegends and Riot's LoL forums. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:32 Sufficiency wrote: I think Nami is OK, but situational. I played her 4 times in ranked and I won 3 (I also played probably 6-7 times in normal). The one I lost I derped really, REALLY hard. There was one game I played as Nami while streaming and I also derped really hard... my team was behind the whole time.... then I pressed R and won, pretty much. I only played Nami + Draven bot lane though. I don't think she is workable without Draven or possibly MF. Draven is best ad and works with everyone though!!!!!! And I agree only thing I get from nami is underwhelming :/.Q is more of a zoning ability then a stun honestly.Maybe if there weren't so many chars that should get banned and we went back to supp bans....Then we'd see her more often ^^. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I think you have a very skewed view of the "Lol community," whatever tha tis, if you think TL LoL is anything more than an insignificant speck right now lol. comparing it to r/leagueoflegends is just ridiculously (inaccurately) self-important. i don't really think its insignificant because rioters themselves have stated that they like to hear our opinions here from time to time. however if this community was larger then it would probably act more similarly to the LoL forums or reddit which would be terrible :/ | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
a) the game vs. team M A R N b) the game vs. FXO although I feel like because the games are broadcast from Plords pov a lot of what has been said has been about plord but it’s all been very general so yes (I’m going to go in on Phantom big surprise) but there were specifics I feel like haven’t been gone into which really bother me. Mainly I’ve been on teams where there a guy, who is valuable to the team for one reason or another can be skill can be connections, can be anything, that nobody is allowed to talk about. I felt this was so glaring in the game vs. Marn that it gave me flashbacks to having people like this on teams I had been on. It’s really hard to examine what went wrong or what could have gone better in a game when you are being forced to ignore an entire character, the story of the Marncatz game as portrayed on stream was that the sidelanes adapted to a lane swap really well, but then failed to transition that advantage into the later game, a lot of it getting pinned on even as you said on this forum, your positioning. I don’t think it can be ignored, but at the same time when Nancy mentions how big Ahri was and Jax and Phantom shut him down instantly and tell him it’s ONLY Vayne, it makes pisses me off. I’ve been in that situation where your team knows they have a hothead and they just try to examine and strategize as though he played well every game, and I feel it isn’t only counter-productive but it creates cliques, wouldn’t surprise me if Nancy and vfx for instance have an msn chat off to the side where they are talking about how phantom played last game, and I’m not trying to say they are bad people for it, it just happens in these settings. So if I was to examine Phantom as a teammate and be constructive I would say it might be time for Phantom to stop playing Karthus I still think he hits predictive qs better than almost anyone I’ve been able to watch PoV of but I just don’t think Karth fits his playstyle at all anymore and this is where the two aforementioned games come into play. First while playing Ahri vs. Navi’s Ori he lements the fact that Navi isn’t interested in skirmishing (which to Navi’s credit isn’t the way to play the match up from his side) so instead he goes and succeeds in making plays in his side lanes. Now in this game Navi just farms like a beast and makes lategame plays while goat zoo didn’t really convert Phantoms early plays into a big enough advantage. Now we skip to the game vs marn in which Phantom is playing basically the same matchup (strategy wise) but from the opposite side and he opens boots 3 while making a comment about hating people who afk farm mid lane. Well here in lies the problem (and where people may disagree with me) Karthus has been nerfed repeatedly by Riot, but in the spirit of not ruining the theme of the champion I like how riot has let him keep his late game, in return for getting afk farm at best in lane (the last nerf to wall being the nail in the coffin) Karthus makes up for this with global pressure thru his ult, which Phantom all but gives up by not opening RoA, he is literally dealing base damage ults with no spellpen usually into lvl 2 ult because of his build path and even then he goes revolver first ap item i.e. extremely low damage. And even with this build he’s running aggressive summoners (revive teleport albeit cheese is a playmaking summoner set which has no synergy with his build path). Looking at the Marn game one more time, only this time pretending Phantom afk farms mid vs Ahri and goes RoA there is no way you can walk through a Karthus with damage and get to a Cait with 2v1 farm and live to tell about it, all he had to do was farm and it would have made your job 100x easier. And if that’s not how he wants to play that’s fine too, but then maybe he should play his Ziggs more, maybe go with a top 3 of ZIggs, Ahri and some other assassin, fuck man, I know he wants to be hipster about his champions but Eve is like made for him, a playmaker, who can roam thru wards, who does really good damage without having to farm 100+ minions first. Anyway he’s been picked on enough I hope this came across as more constructive than just being a dick. sorry for wall to everyone who isn't ggod. | ||
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napo
Romania622 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:13 AsnSensation wrote: Lol what? Taeja, Hero? Easily among top 20 worldwide at any moment, if not 10.ya probably not the best example haha but I guess I just wanted to emphasize that there is no such thing as loyalty in esports yet unless you have been with an orga for 5+ years like Hasu or even the sc2 liquid guys, but among those nobody is good enough to get a 6 figure contract from a bigger team anyway | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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Vequeth
United Kingdom1116 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:02 napo wrote: Lol what? Taeja, Hero? Easily among top 20 worldwide at any moment, if not 10. I would of first pointed Huk out, but this is also a valid point. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 29 2012 07:12 ExoFun wrote: I think they will end this season as 4-5th placed team. Or they are gonna attract some really good sub's. Rating on CLG.eu 1. Froggen 2. Yellowpete 3. Wickd 4. Krepo 5. Snoopeh Are the backs from Froggen / Yellowpete strong enough to carry them to season 3? I still really think Froggen is really overrated. Just watching him at worlds pretty much put me to this conclusion(lane taxing yellowpete, continuing to take farm from yellowpete even though he was 6item etc) | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:02 napo wrote: Lol what? Taeja, Hero? Easily among top 20 worldwide at any moment, if not 10. I'm was more talking about the foreign part of Liquid but now that I think about who is left edcept for TLO and Ret? | ||
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