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jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
December 24 2012 22:44 GMT
#2801
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.

Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 24 2012 22:49 GMT
#2802
I don't watch you guys but I'm sure someone wants the opportunity to critique FXO.
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jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
December 24 2012 22:52 GMT
#2803
This is more directed to those that already watch PL's stream i suppose, they'll prob let you know if we verse FXO again or something. It was alot of fun versing JRTseven, i've always wanted to. I thought he'd be scarier, but he lives up to his name id say. I was real unimpressed with daydreamin tho.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 24 2012 22:53 GMT
#2804
So, I don't know what the fuck to build as support anymore. Has anybody figured it out?

I'm trying to figure out Lux support cuz' I loves the Lux, and it seems strong but I have issues with the build order. These are my thoughts plz solve problems for me:

First problem is I feel like I still need one GP10 item, but I don't like any of them.

I don't want to build Philo anymore because I'm not going to turn it into anything.

I like Kage's Lucky Pick, it has a lot of build paths, but if I get that I feel like I need to start the game with an amp tome. I don't WANT to start the game with an amp tome, I want to start the game with a flask and a faerie charm because that gives you a much stronger early laning phase.

If I start with a faerie charm I feel like I want to get an early Chalice and turn it into Mikaels Crucible, because Crucible is just such an amazing item. But if I do that between getting a Sighstone and a Chalice I completely miss the window where getting a GP10 item is cost effective.


My second problem is basically that a Ruby Sightstone is not enough wards, which means to be cost efficient I need to have the Sightstone AND a couple wards beyond that, and that takes up 2 item slots, which is just a massive pain.


I have a reasonable idea for an end game item build, something like Kage's Lucky Shadow, Crucible, Locket, Twin Shadows, Ruby Sightstone and CDR boots, selling the KLS for a Deathcap if the game went on forever and a day. But no goddamn clue how to properly get there.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 24 2012 23:00 GMT
#2805
On December 25 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote:
So, I don't know what the fuck to build as support anymore. Has anybody figured it out?

I'm trying to figure out Lux support cuz' I loves the Lux, and it seems strong but I have issues with the build order. These are my thoughts plz solve problems for me:

First problem is I feel like I still need one GP10 item, but I don't like any of them.

I don't want to build Philo anymore because I'm not going to turn it into anything.

I like Kage's Lucky Pick, it has a lot of build paths, but if I get that I feel like I need to start the game with an amp tome. I don't WANT to start the game with an amp tome, I want to start the game with a flask and a faerie charm because that gives you a much stronger early laning phase.

If I start with a faerie charm I feel like I want to get an early Chalice and turn it into Mikaels Crucible, because Crucible is just such an amazing item. But if I do that between getting a Sighstone and a Chalice I completely miss the window where getting a GP10 item is cost effective.


My second problem is basically that a Ruby Sightstone is not enough wards, which means to be cost efficient I need to have the Sightstone AND a couple wards beyond that, and that takes up 2 item slots, which is just a massive pain.


I have a reasonable idea for an end game item build, something like Kage's Lucky Shadow, Crucible, Locket, Twin Shadows, Ruby Sightstone and CDR boots, selling the KLS for a Deathcap if the game went on forever and a day. But no goddamn clue how to properly get there.



I find Lucky Pick pretty much worthless except situationally useful on Janna, because most other supports have really crappy AP ratio. It doesn't build into anything overwhelmingly useful either.
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
December 24 2012 23:03 GMT
#2806
On December 25 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote:
So, I don't know what the fuck to build as support anymore. Has anybody figured it out?

I'm trying to figure out Lux support cuz' I loves the Lux, and it seems strong but I have issues with the build order. These are my thoughts plz solve problems for me:

First problem is I feel like I still need one GP10 item, but I don't like any of them.

I don't want to build Philo anymore because I'm not going to turn it into anything.

I like Kage's Lucky Pick, it has a lot of build paths, but if I get that I feel like I need to start the game with an amp tome. I don't WANT to start the game with an amp tome, I want to start the game with a flask and a faerie charm because that gives you a much stronger early laning phase.

If I start with a faerie charm I feel like I want to get an early Chalice and turn it into Mikaels Crucible, because Crucible is just such an amazing item. But if I do that between getting a Sighstone and a Chalice I completely miss the window where getting a GP10 item is cost effective.


My second problem is basically that a Ruby Sightstone is not enough wards, which means to be cost efficient I need to have the Sightstone AND a couple wards beyond that, and that takes up 2 item slots, which is just a massive pain.


I have a reasonable idea for an end game item build, something like Kage's Lucky Shadow, Crucible, Locket, Twin Shadows, Ruby Sightstone and CDR boots, selling the KLS for a Deathcap if the game went on forever and a day. But no goddamn clue how to properly get there.


sightstone allready gives you two times the gold per 10 than philo. You don't need more than that. Just build sightstone and proceed to buy stuff that helps you supporting. Top three for me atm are locket, mikaels, zekes.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 24 2012 23:03 GMT
#2807
That's why I want to get it on Lux though, because if Lux isn't building AP as support she becomes really worthless late game. Everything but her snare requires AP to be of any consequence.

The only other option is Philo which has no good build paths. Shurelya doesn't make much sense anymore and Eleisa's Miracle is just bad.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 24 2012 23:05 GMT
#2808
If anyone was wanting to watch PL's team vs FXO. Game one starts at ~46:15 http://twitch.tv/phantoml0rd/b/350672461 Their second game starts at 1:27:55.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
December 24 2012 23:12 GMT
#2809
On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.

Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler.


One thing I noticed is that PL maxed E over W second as Ahri vs. the protect-the-kog comp from FXO. I feel like that took away a lot of possible burst damage in the mid game. I'd have to re-watch the games to be 100% sure of that though.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17254 Posts
December 24 2012 23:13 GMT
#2810
On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.

Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler.

Seemed like the problem is that GGod character did lots of feeding

Disclaimer: I didn't watch any match
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 24 2012 23:19 GMT
#2811
On December 25 2012 08:03 Ketara wrote:
That's why I want to get it on Lux though, because if Lux isn't building AP as support she becomes really worthless late game. Everything but her snare requires AP to be of any consequence.

The only other option is Philo which has no good build paths. Shurelya doesn't make much sense anymore and Eleisa's Miracle is just bad.


Wait what. Shurelya's is still one of the best support items. Granted I no longer think it's universally useful on any support in any team comp, but I don't think it's fair to just simply discard it.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 24 2012 23:21 GMT
#2812
On December 25 2012 08:13 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.

Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler.

Seemed like the problem is that GGod character did lots of feeding

Disclaimer: I didn't watch any match


jcc is ggod
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
December 24 2012 23:23 GMT
#2813
Whoa

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is down
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 24 2012 23:24 GMT
#2814
On December 25 2012 08:03 Ketara wrote:
That's why I want to get it on Lux though, because if Lux isn't building AP as support she becomes really worthless late game. Everything but her snare requires AP to be of any consequence.

The only other option is Philo which has no good build paths. Shurelya doesn't make much sense anymore and Eleisa's Miracle is just bad.

You're overstating how much of an effect Kage's has on Lux's lategame. 25 AP translates into 15-18 more damage/shield value per spell. You don't span the difference between "good" and "worthless" over 25 AP.
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jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
December 24 2012 23:25 GMT
#2815
On December 25 2012 08:21 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 08:13 Craton wrote:
On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.

Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler.

Seemed like the problem is that GGod character did lots of feeding

Disclaimer: I didn't watch any match


jcc is ggod


Lol he knows, Cratonz is a friend of mine, and a JERK!
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 24 2012 23:27 GMT
#2816
Lololol. Chaox teaching 30k the power of Hydra-rush Fiora. Quadrakill in enemy fountain npnp.
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Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
December 24 2012 23:27 GMT
#2817
On December 25 2012 08:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote:
So, I don't know what the fuck to build as support anymore. Has anybody figured it out?

I'm trying to figure out Lux support cuz' I loves the Lux, and it seems strong but I have issues with the build order. These are my thoughts plz solve problems for me:

First problem is I feel like I still need one GP10 item, but I don't like any of them.

I don't want to build Philo anymore because I'm not going to turn it into anything.

I like Kage's Lucky Pick, it has a lot of build paths, but if I get that I feel like I need to start the game with an amp tome. I don't WANT to start the game with an amp tome, I want to start the game with a flask and a faerie charm because that gives you a much stronger early laning phase.

If I start with a faerie charm I feel like I want to get an early Chalice and turn it into Mikaels Crucible, because Crucible is just such an amazing item. But if I do that between getting a Sighstone and a Chalice I completely miss the window where getting a GP10 item is cost effective.


My second problem is basically that a Ruby Sightstone is not enough wards, which means to be cost efficient I need to have the Sightstone AND a couple wards beyond that, and that takes up 2 item slots, which is just a massive pain.


I have a reasonable idea for an end game item build, something like Kage's Lucky Shadow, Crucible, Locket, Twin Shadows, Ruby Sightstone and CDR boots, selling the KLS for a Deathcap if the game went on forever and a day. But no goddamn clue how to properly get there.



I find Lucky Pick pretty much worthless except situationally useful on Janna, because most other supports have really crappy AP ratio. It doesn't build into anything overwhelmingly useful either.


wait what, twin shadows op ._.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-24 23:32:50
December 24 2012 23:29 GMT
#2818
On December 25 2012 08:24 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 08:03 Ketara wrote:
That's why I want to get it on Lux though, because if Lux isn't building AP as support she becomes really worthless late game. Everything but her snare requires AP to be of any consequence.

The only other option is Philo which has no good build paths. Shurelya doesn't make much sense anymore and Eleisa's Miracle is just bad.

You're overstating how much of an effect Kage's has on Lux's lategame. 25 AP translates into 15-18 more damage/shield value per spell. You don't span the difference between "good" and "worthless" over 25 AP.


Obviously, but when you grab the Lucky Pick you're gonna build it into 50ish AP worth of other items. Philo doesn't have any build paths that give you any AP.

More to the point, if you build a set of items that don't have any AP on them, why are you playing Lux? You're much better off playing Nami or Zyra, aggressive ranged supports whose spells don't become more or less useless if you have 0 AP 30 minutes in.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-24 23:30:40
December 24 2012 23:29 GMT
#2819
On December 25 2012 08:27 Ziken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 08:00 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 25 2012 07:53 Ketara wrote:
So, I don't know what the fuck to build as support anymore. Has anybody figured it out?

I'm trying to figure out Lux support cuz' I loves the Lux, and it seems strong but I have issues with the build order. These are my thoughts plz solve problems for me:

First problem is I feel like I still need one GP10 item, but I don't like any of them.

I don't want to build Philo anymore because I'm not going to turn it into anything.

I like Kage's Lucky Pick, it has a lot of build paths, but if I get that I feel like I need to start the game with an amp tome. I don't WANT to start the game with an amp tome, I want to start the game with a flask and a faerie charm because that gives you a much stronger early laning phase.

If I start with a faerie charm I feel like I want to get an early Chalice and turn it into Mikaels Crucible, because Crucible is just such an amazing item. But if I do that between getting a Sighstone and a Chalice I completely miss the window where getting a GP10 item is cost effective.


My second problem is basically that a Ruby Sightstone is not enough wards, which means to be cost efficient I need to have the Sightstone AND a couple wards beyond that, and that takes up 2 item slots, which is just a massive pain.


I have a reasonable idea for an end game item build, something like Kage's Lucky Shadow, Crucible, Locket, Twin Shadows, Ruby Sightstone and CDR boots, selling the KLS for a Deathcap if the game went on forever and a day. But no goddamn clue how to properly get there.



I find Lucky Pick pretty much worthless except situationally useful on Janna, because most other supports have really crappy AP ratio. It doesn't build into anything overwhelmingly useful either.


wait what, twin shadows op ._.


I don't really see how it can even remotely beat Shurelya's Reverie for a support.
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 24 2012 23:31 GMT
#2820
well, support items arent that hard at least in soloqueue.

you really want sightstone, you really want locket (cause op) and you want shurelias to make that gamewinning engage happen.
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