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On December 25 2012 10:10 jcc wrote:
Ya, 1st time i got caught was cuz i thought my jungler was nearby to help with kog, but he was going left, i didnt communicate my thought lol. Second time was them having 2 shurelyas, which legit caught me off guard and was bad of me. Well that was 2 games, but the issue with the jungling has just been 0 lane pressures almost ever. The enemy lanes always have map dominance. But ya alot more practice to be needed.
I feel that those were too few games to tell what the problem is with your team. But as always, practice makes perfect.
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United States37500 Posts
On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.
Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler.
http://www.twitch.tv/phantoml0rd/b/350672461 @ 46 min, for those of you (like me) who didn't get to watch it live.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.
Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler.
I think it would be interesting if you guys can set something up with casters like the CastingGolems where they cast your scrims with FXO and then the teams can call in and discuss the match with them. And then they can field critique/questions from viewers and it's up to the teams to explain their reasoning (since we don't get to hear voice chat). Think Day9 dailies where he would get the players to call in and help analyze it together. Not sure how feasible this is though.
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On December 25 2012 10:29 JBright wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.
Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler. I think it would be interesting if you guys can set something up with casters like the CastingGolems where they cast your scrims with FXO and then the teams can call in and discuss the match with them. And then they can field critique/questions from viewers and it's up to the teams to explain their reasoning (since we don't get to hear voice chat). Think Day9 dailies where he would get the players to call in and help analyze it together. Not sure how feasible this is though.
Probably just need to set someone to spec their games and stream it.
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Question: can mikael's crucible be self-casted while CC'ed?
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On December 25 2012 10:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Question: can mikael's crucible be self-casted while CC'ed?
Nope. I learned that the hard way when I got Ashe arrowed as a support @_@
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On December 25 2012 10:53 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 10:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Question: can mikael's crucible be self-casted while CC'ed? Nope. I learned that the hard way when I got Ashe arrowed as a support @_@
awwww... . =[
EDIT: btw, I kind of noticed this a bit too slow, but:
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Bad Morde Bot (8:58): oh
Bad Morde Bot (8:58): VIKTOR FREEEEE
Bad Morde Bot (8:59): fuck yeah
Bad Morde Bot (8:59): ALL WILL SOON CHANGE
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On December 25 2012 10:27 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.
Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler. http://www.twitch.tv/phantoml0rd/b/350672461 @ 46 min, for those of you (like me) who didn't get to watch it live.
Game 1 (watching from PL's PoV of course)
- With 2v1 bot/top switches, you guys need to apply a lot more pressure. Somehow Blitz/Ez managed to down top tower and then bot tower before you guys even got bot.
- Warding/counter warding is pretty abysmal. PL called it, FXO had your entire Red side jungle warded and pressured Bot all day. That's simply too much map control that you cede.
- Team fights you (jcc) need to adapt to enemy team comp. I noticed 408 would initiate on your frontline, activate W, then as soon as his E was back up again, he'd single you out. With 408 on top of you, JRT would shift over to focus you down too. You need to save your Dash to create distance, esp if Xin comes in. I'd just Q and auto and clean up whenever possible. If you use your E for AS, you're a sitting duck to any form of CC+JRT
- Ginormous doesn't seem to babysit you much. Not that it's needed but it just says that you're not the 1 position aiming to carry into late game. afaik, I didn't see him ulti you at all in the first game.
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On December 25 2012 10:10 jcc wrote:
Ya, 1st time i got caught was cuz i thought my jungler was nearby to help with kog, but he was going left, i didnt communicate my thought lol. Second time was them having 2 shurelyas, which legit caught me off guard and was bad of me. Well that was 2 games, but the issue with the jungling has just been 0 lane pressures almost ever. The enemy lanes always have map dominance. But ya alot more practice to be needed.
Honestly I watched the first game and the sample size is too small. I have no idea what your game plan is. Half the team fights start with Blitz getting grabbed. The other half end up with another person initiating at the entrance to Baron river. Fights felt like a series of coin flips. Eventually you'll get some tails.
If CLG eu lost a brand to a hook, the other 4 would move independently and abandon the fight. They have 5 individually strong players that also have a hive mind watching them.
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On December 25 2012 10:27 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.
Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler. http://www.twitch.tv/phantoml0rd/b/350672461 @ 46 min, for those of you (like me) who didn't get to watch it live.
Ill give it a look later on tonight and see what I can see.
Unfortunately all its liable to end up being is a scathing critique of the jungle play, but W/E.
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On December 25 2012 11:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 10:27 NeoIllusions wrote:On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.
Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler. http://www.twitch.tv/phantoml0rd/b/350672461 @ 46 min, for those of you (like me) who didn't get to watch it live. Ill give it a look later on tonight and see what I can see. Unfortunately all its liable to end up being is a scathing critique of the jungle play, but W/E.
Yea the jungler in those clips ended up already getting benched too so.
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On December 25 2012 11:56 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 11:55 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 25 2012 10:27 NeoIllusions wrote:On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.
Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler. http://www.twitch.tv/phantoml0rd/b/350672461 @ 46 min, for those of you (like me) who didn't get to watch it live. Ill give it a look later on tonight and see what I can see. Unfortunately all its liable to end up being is a scathing critique of the jungle play, but W/E. Yea the jungler in those clips ended up already getting benched too so.
Well than anything I say will be useless likely, but hey, might as well as see if we can figure out anything.
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I know I'm a bit late on the support item discussion, but I tried Banner of Command on Soraka the other day. Emblem is probably better to build into Aegis or Locket, but it was nice AP and helped us push down at least three towers with the active. I'd consider it again imo.
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On December 25 2012 12:05 Requizen wrote:
I know I'm a bit late on the support item discussion, but I tried Banner of Command on Soraka the other day. Emblem is probably better to build into Aegis or Locket, but it was nice AP and helped us push down at least three towers with the active. I'd consider it again imo.
I really want to see teams build a comp around Banner.
Also to see an AP mid (Zil imo) who builds Crucible. ;o
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I got it on my last TF game. It seemed pretty cool, I guess, though I was 9-3 and had just gotten a quadra
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On December 25 2012 12:15 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:05 Requizen wrote:
I know I'm a bit late on the support item discussion, but I tried Banner of Command on Soraka the other day. Emblem is probably better to build into Aegis or Locket, but it was nice AP and helped us push down at least three towers with the active. I'd consider it again imo. I really want to see teams build a comp around Banner. Also to see an AP mid (Zil imo) who builds Crucible. ;o
I think I saw Dan Dinh build banner on jungle Nunu in one of Epik's ranked 5's games. He built it pretty late so he only got to use it once in bot lane and it help them put pressure while dancing around baron. It wasn't very smooth though since the other 9 people were already around baron and he had to wait until the seige minion spawned before running back to his team.
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On December 25 2012 12:15 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:05 Requizen wrote:
I know I'm a bit late on the support item discussion, but I tried Banner of Command on Soraka the other day. Emblem is probably better to build into Aegis or Locket, but it was nice AP and helped us push down at least three towers with the active. I'd consider it again imo. I really want to see teams build a comp around Banner. Also to see an AP mid (Zil imo) who builds Crucible. ;o
I'd be down to give Ap soraka another shot in mid, in this new season. Itemization seems very good for ap-support champs that can get gold income.
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I don't think I've regretted buying a banner of command for an poky ap support. Its certainly a pushing type item when your team has a hefty lead already and is trying to push down a weakened opponent. Its great for a taric as well as it fits his type of supporting where he hits a wall and needs a ton of gold in the mid game to be relevant late game. I don't think its better then a shard or a twin shadows but for a fourth or upper item its really not that bad.
I guess its just one of those items that when you need it you'll know to get it.
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banner of command is really good on singed if you run teleport....you can push top/bot/be at baron all at once. really annoying item that will be abused at some point in the future
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On December 25 2012 12:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
banner of command is really good on singed if you run teleport....you can push top/bot/be at baron all at once. really annoying item that will be abused at some point in the future
I'd say you're better off not wasting it on top and instead pushing bot and then throwing it out right before you TP to join the fight. Even if you lose the fight you'll end up taking towers/inhibs while it's pushing unmolested.
If you send it top it'll just get cleared out without really opening any opportunities.
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