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On December 25 2012 12:57 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
banner of command is really good on singed if you run teleport....you can push top/bot/be at baron all at once. really annoying item that will be abused at some point in the future I'd say you're better off not wasting it on top and instead pushing bot and then throwing it out right before you TP to join the fight. Even if you lose the fight you'll end up taking towers/inhibs while it's pushing unmolested. If you send it top it'll just get cleared out without really opening any opportunities.
No your right, bot is the clear choice for the banner. I was thinking something along the lines of promoting bot lane and pushing to tower, teleporting top and pushing that, then heading to baron.
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I tend to stick to the old items even when they are nerfed a bit just because they are familiar. Haven't heard anyone talking about Ohmwrecker though. The active seems too situational and it sucks that it does not have the effect of catalyst. Nor have I seen people build Runaan's Hurricane, but it would seem to be good on Vayne.
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On December 25 2012 13:09 BlackMagister wrote:
I tend to stick to the old items even when they are nerfed a bit just because they are familiar. Haven't heard anyone talking about Ohmwrecker though. The active seems too situational and it sucks that it does not have the effect of catalyst. Nor have I seen people build Runaan's Hurricane, but it would seem to be good on Vayne.
You dont get triple bolts  . Also people are too obsessed with the passive, its not like vayne doesnt need the Crit/AD/etc like other ADs.
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On December 25 2012 13:09 BlackMagister wrote:
I tend to stick to the old items even when they are nerfed a bit just because they are familiar. Haven't heard anyone talking about Ohmwrecker though. The active seems too situational and it sucks that it does not have the effect of catalyst. Nor have I seen people build Runaan's Hurricane, but it would seem to be good on Vayne.
Ohmwrecker you're paying a lot for the active, and when you've built that much heatlh and armor you can just tank the turret anyways, the amount of health you save by disabling the turret isn't that much. Exceptions: ohmwrecker resets the tower's bonus damage on consecutive hit counter, so it might be useful if you're tanking for a long time, and it can also save an ally who accidentally took tower aggro instead of you. It really is a "win more" item though, since it doesn't help you on defense at all.
Hurricane people were really excited about and then realized is not that great. It's especially bad on vayne since the silver bullets don't proc on the side shots (since only one target can have silver shots at once). But even those that would have great synergy with hurricane like kogmaw and MF don't really build it that much. You give up a lot of damage by building an item that's all AS and no crit, and the radius for triggering the side shots is pretty small. It's really tough to consistently hit three targets at a time in a teamfight.
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On December 25 2012 13:09 BlackMagister wrote:
I tend to stick to the old items even when they are nerfed a bit just because they are familiar. Haven't heard anyone talking about Ohmwrecker though. The active seems too situational and it sucks that it does not have the effect of catalyst. Nor have I seen people build Runaan's Hurricane, but it would seem to be good on Vayne.
I buy it on Caitlin, Graves, and Kogmaw. The passive is mostly to push the lane faster without using mana.
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Caitlyn and Graves have sick wave clear. Why do they need hurricane?
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On December 25 2012 13:21 seRapH wrote:
Caitlyn and Graves have sick wave clear. Why do they need hurricane?
sucks on caitlyn but I think there is an interaction with headshot where hurricane counts the aoe shots as shots too so headshot goes off faster? correct me if im wrong.
On graves its pretty strong as it counts towards his E so you can have a very very low cooldown E in teamfights with hurricane.
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Hurricane has cool interaction with BT/BC builds that stack AD and no Crit, because it's a huge amount of AS and the side bolts go off AD. Plus, the lifesteal is on the side targets too, so you get to be pretty survivable.
Of course, it's not the same type of scaling as IE/PD for killing things, but it's neat.
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On December 25 2012 13:28 zulu_nation8 wrote:
it's strong on varus
yep, according to lolking when varus gets a hurricane he has the highest winrate at 69%
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Vman streaming his ranked 5's climb. Currently playing Atlanta and DURR's team.
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On December 25 2012 13:37 Dusty wrote:yep, according to lolking when varus gets a hurricane he has the highest winrate at 69%
That means nothing.
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On December 25 2012 13:49 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 13:37 Dusty wrote:On December 25 2012 13:28 zulu_nation8 wrote:
it's strong on varus yep, according to lolking when varus gets a hurricane he has the highest winrate at 69% That means nothing.
I assume/hope it was a joke.
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On December 25 2012 10:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Question: can mikael's crucible be self-casted while CC'ed?
It can be self-casted if the CC doesn't prevent item usage. This means you CAN use it to remove roots, slows, and blinds, just not stuns and silences.
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On December 25 2012 10:27 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 07:44 jcc wrote:
Hey guys so i know there is alot of support for FXO on this forum (with no surprise, Navi hails from here and i personally am rooting alot for their team too), but in those games with them (PL vs FXO) think you could note on some of the things our team coulda done better? Strengths / weaknesses? Cuz I told the guys that TL was watching the games, and that yall are famous for good analysis, so that third party perspective would help I think.
Also we plan to do ranked 5s most of today as well fielding a new jungler. http://www.twitch.tv/phantoml0rd/b/350672461 @ 46 min, for those of you (like me) who didn't get to watch it live.
I think the main thing I didnt like was that your picks werent really all that well thought out.
Take game 2 for example. Ori Lulu should probably key you into a protect comp. The reply of Ahri was fine, considering you already had Malph. The key at that point for you guys should have been to recognize that at LEAST 2 of your 5 champions were going to be nowhere near your AD. Even without knowing that the Kog/Nunu were coming up next, I would have either gone for a MUCH more defensive support or, in the converse, a much more offensive support (in terms of teamfights). The simple truth is I dont think Zyra would be enough to protect an AD carry all alone, and there are other supports who lend themselves better to going offensive. At that point you need to either decide which you want to do: run through the enemy team entirely as 5 or have those 2 run through and set up a defensive line as Malph/Ahri go ahead and try to kite their way back. I dont know if Sona got crushed by the nerf bat recently, but her ult would have been perfect as either an offensive or defensive maneuver. Or even go a bit quirky and pick up Galio and run him as a support.
The instant you saw Kog/Nunu you should never have grabbed Ashe IMO. She isnt going to give you anything to help break a full protect comp, since arrow isnt going to help you pick anyone off (they are all gonna be together), and she doesn't give enough burst or anything to effectively run though. The thing she does really well, run away and kite very slowly, is good, but separating against a team that is focusing on protecting a Kog is just going to lead to him picking you off one by one, and the protect team WANTS the fight to be as long as possible anyway. I dont know if Corki/Trist are still any good, but I think I would lean more in their direction to enable slightly more offensive play out of the AD, more burst (and poke, in Corki's case) would have helped you out a ton IMO.
Im torn about the Lee pick. I dont think it really works as a pick in a game where you plan on lane swapping, because a lane swap would really gimp his ability to gank top and bot. Teamfight fit is better, but then you guys need to decide if you are going to use him as an offensive peeler or a defensive one. This is where the Ashe/Zyra combo really hurt you guys IMO. Zyra isnt going to be enough to peel for Ashe alone, and by pulling back Lee you end up with Malph and Ahri going 2v4 and getting killed every fight once the protection was fully formed. However, if you had, say Corki, you would be able to have Lee join Malph and Ahri, making it much harder for the enemy team to execute a full protect, and allow Cork to make use of his natural escape and long range poke to stay safe and do damage until he has an opportunity to enter the fight from a safe angle.
So ya, IMO that game your picks just really hurt you, especially since you had no actual plan to deal with the protect comp. I think you probably should have just gone straight offensive once you had Malph/Ahri and been the ones trying to push THROUGH them in fights, either getting all 5 of you on Kog as quick as possible and blowing him up instead of the picks you guys had, which really didnt lend themselves well to either playing more defensively OR offensively. So basically, assuming even that you guys didnt see the protect comp coming, I would have gone with the Malph, Ahri, Zyra followed by a Corki/Trist and a Lee/Noct/Hec to really cement your ability to gel together and all fall in together on top of Kog.
Take that with a grain of salt. My opinions on how to build teams are different from a lot of people, and I also am missing about 6 months of balance for champs to really be able to make a fully informed statement on which champs should have been picked. I just know that I dont really like the team you ended up with.
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Merry Xmas from the East Coast, guys
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On December 25 2012 14:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Merry Xmas from the East Coast, guys
Oooh indeed.
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I have been playing annie a ton this season and I have a 75% win rate with 30ish game.
And I didn't know her Q refunded mana... GG
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There was thread about there being a bug with the butcher mastery?
Did they ever fix that?
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On December 25 2012 14:09 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Merry Xmas from the East Coast, guys Oooh indeed.
Already done celebrating! Getting presents on Christmas Eve is OP, shoutout to my fellow Europeans that also celebrate on Christmas Eve. Enjoy your present opening in pajamas you plebs!!!!
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