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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:15 Mondeezy wrote: So is Machete+pots pretty much mandatory on every jungle? Wouldn't say mandatory, but the smartest method. I've noticed though since people are aware that the jungle is harder, they are willing to stick around a bit longer and dps. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:21 BlackPaladin wrote: I just realized.... Imagine hotshot jungling in the new jungle. The old jungle was too hard for him...imagine the new one! :O lol....Good thing they put him in top lane against before s3. Would end like the dyrus vs wolf camp saga. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
I also suspect that Riot will be on the case with salaried players acting unprofessional and not conforming to Summoner's Code. Punishment will be dealt out more easily with salaried players than with average Joes. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:23 TheKefka wrote: Would end like the dyrus vs wolf camp saga. Was funny, he had to jungle a few times last night in the solo q. He kept getting teamed with Wings and Best Riven. He carried his team with jungle cho one of the games. Against SaintV and Nyjacky. Also, as much as the new ui is really shiny. I think I figured out why they show how many times you've ranked an ability. It makes watching streams more educational lol. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:19 overt wrote: But IWD's issue wasn't his inability to work with his teammates. His issue was shit talking random people in solo queue games. This whole thing is only a problem because Riot has full control over their game, the competitive scene, and now pays their players a salary. IWD might be the first person to be shafted like this but he certainly isn't going to be the last. As much as you may be right about Riot's control over their game.(By the way, it is THEIR game, and they are free to do what they want). I think you picking IWD as evidence of Riot's control is the problem for your hypothesis. Not many rational people will look at that case, and go "yea, they overstepped". If you want a cause to champion, try the real news. For example, months beforehand when it broke out that Riot was attempting(?) to limit teams from branching out to other games. Riot has made bad decisions before, but this is pretty clear cut. Who cares if some pro player got deservedly banned after months of warnings and prior bans? By the way, in case this was drowned out by the other news: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386149 Quantic(the organization) is no longer it seems. This, I assume, includes the newly formed LoL team. | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:33 smOOthMayDie wrote: I've been wondering, if I only have a couple of "top" champions, and several "adc" champions, and only +phys dmg red/quints / /armor yellows/ and mr blues. When I go into ranked games and tell my team I can only play top or adc, and both roles get taken, what do I do? Even after communicating, telling them that I'm unable to play any other roles due to not having those champions, or runes for those champions, do I just pick one or the other (top/adc) and go wherever? I mean, runes aren't everything. But you really shouldn't play ranked unless you know at least one champ in each role and are willing to play any role. | ||
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:35 Mondeezy wrote: I mean, runes aren't everything. But you really shouldn't play ranked unless you know at least one champ in each role and are willing to play any role. I would disagree. You can go into ranked and say yea I won't do well at these roles and these are the ones I want. As long as you're aware that sometimes you'll get shafted into a bad role and have a bad game every once in a while or experience a lot of dodges in champ select it's fine. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:16 sylverfyre wrote: Are you kidding me? It's called a TOS agreement. There's also precedent for not allowing banned players to play in tournaments (but not to this magnitude). This isn't just a single ban, it's his 8th one. This is NOT a joke, and Riot is NOT outside their bounds to take action like this. With Dignitas participating in S3, Riot is literally EMPLOYING its players. If this isn't fair grounds for termination of employment, I don't know what is. Riot has clearly put forth that they expect their professional players to set a good example for the rest of the LoL playerbase. I just feel really bad for Dignitas (as an organization having to deal with this) and Odee (personally - this is just one more awful thing in a pile of awful things) Crumbzz soloqueuing jungle - maybe dig will pick up a top laner instead of a jungler to replace, sending Crumbzz back to the jungle? There is nothing in the terms of service that says being perma-banned has the potential to affect you eligibility in the professional scene. And the time they suspended the Elo Hell player from a tournament his account was perma-ban, which would imply he had been banned multiple times before hand. So they are not consistent in these rulings. I understand not wanting to pay someone who rages, but put that in the contract and if he violates that then suspend him. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11686 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:33 smOOthMayDie wrote: I've been wondering, if I only have a couple of "top" champions, and several "adc" champions, and only +phys dmg red/quints / /armor yellows/ and mr blues. When I go into ranked games and tell my team I can only play top or adc, and both roles get taken, what do I do? Even after communicating, telling them that I'm unable to play any other roles due to not having those champions, or runes for those champions, do I just pick one or the other (top/adc) and go wherever? Buy one champion for each role, they are cheap. Something like soraka/ryze/nunu for 450 each if you don't want to invest more. Maybe get a second runepages with magic-y runes like mpen and ap quints. Then tell your team that you are only good at two roles, and would like to play those. If you don't get them, play something else, and tell them that you will probably suck at it. Don't flame, don't be a dick, just give your best. There is no reason not to have at least one champion capable of each role once you hit 30. If you play ranked, you WILL have to play support from time to time. Being forced into something else is rare, but happens too. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:33 smOOthMayDie wrote: I've been wondering, if I only have a couple of "top" champions, and several "adc" champions, and only +phys dmg red/quints / /armor yellows/ and mr blues. When I go into ranked games and tell my team I can only play top or adc, and both roles get taken, what do I do? Even after communicating, telling them that I'm unable to play any other roles due to not having those champions, or runes for those champions, do I just pick one or the other (top/adc) and go wherever? Id say pick up a support or 2 and some armor reds and you should have everything covered, you can always fall back on that if your other 2 roles get taken. | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:39 kainzero wrote: well, if you want to win, then learn other roles and heroes and get runes. you already know there's the possibility you won't get what you want, why don't you just prepare yourself for that instead? I dont quite understand why people think in order to win, you have to learn other roles, runes, etc. Didn't the majority of famous high caliber players get to high elo playing one champion? Hotshotgg: Nidalee Wickd: irelia SaintVicious: Warwick Doublelift: Blitzcrank Reginald: Shaco there's more I just cant think clearly at the moment, but even a lot of high elo players that aren't as famous literally only play one champion, all the time. The ones I can think of are GamersLegends: Warwick InvertedComposer: Singed SpamHappy: Only Poppy TiensiNoAkuma: Katarina and even here there are many more that ONLY play that one champion. Yet here I am saying that I can play multiple champions, in two different roles, not one champion, or even one role, but multiple champions in two roles. Why is that so bad that I HAVE to learn other roles, get other runes, etc, in order to win? | ||
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dottycakes
Canada548 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:45 smOOthMayDie wrote: I dont quite understand why people think in order to win, you have to learn other roles, runes, etc. Didn't the majority of famous high caliber players get to high elo playing one champion? Hotshotgg: Nidalee Wickd: irelia SaintVicious: Warwick Doublelift: Blitzcrank Reginald: Shaco there's more I just cant think clearly at the moment, but even a lot of high elo players that aren't as famous literally only play one champion, all the time. The ones I can think of are GamersLegends: Warwick InvertedComposer: Singed SpamHappy: Only Poppy TiensiNoAkuma: Katarina and even here there are many more that ONLY play that one champion. Yet here I am saying that I can play multiple champions, in two different roles, not one champion, or even one role, but multiple champions in two roles. Why is that so bad that I HAVE to learn other roles, get other runes, etc, in order to win? For one, all those pro players can play multiple champions. Secondly, how is that even a question? You're going to end up with teammates that fill the same role as you, so learn to fill the other roles. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:39 seRapH wrote: I would disagree. You can go into ranked and say yea I won't do well at these roles and these are the ones I want. As long as you're aware that sometimes you'll get shafted into a bad role and have a bad game every once in a while or experience a lot of dodges in champ select it's fine. Such a counter productive idea behind playing ranked. Welp I told you guys I can only really play adc or top. So one of the few champions I know how to play is going to be your support. Not getting your pick, and coming off as trolling with yours sets the mood for a big 20 minute fail. | ||
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
But still playing multiple roles is how some people deal with soloq. You certainly don't have to, as playing a single champ gets results faster. On December 05 2012 08:48 Irave wrote: Such a counter productive idea behind playing ranked. Welp I told you guys I can only really play adc or top. So one of the few champions I know how to play is going to be your support. Not getting your pick, and coming off as trolling with yours sets the mood for a big 20 minute fail. I don't mean to say not to try to win just because you lost your role. Plus honestly it's fucking soloq I will never understand why people care so much about their elo. | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:48 dottycakes wrote: For one, all those pro players can play multiple champions. Secondly, how is that even a question? You're going to end up with teammates that fill the same role as you, so learn to fill the other roles. Yes, all of the 'pro' players I mentioned can NOW play multiple champions. I'm talking about a long time ago, they only played that one champion to reach the higher echelon of elo, and once there they experimented with other champions, and learned other champions/other roles. But back then? No, no they didn't. My argument was for the sole purpose of "winning" games. I don't think its required to learn more than one champion to win. Play that one champion, adapt to all situations, and i'm sure you'll find yourself winning more than losing, playing only that one champion. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11686 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:45 smOOthMayDie wrote: I dont quite understand why people think in order to win, you have to learn other roles, runes, etc. Didn't the majority of famous high caliber players get to high elo playing one champion? Hotshotgg: Nidalee Wickd: irelia SaintVicious: Warwick Doublelift: Blitzcrank Reginald: Shaco there's more I just cant think clearly at the moment, but even a lot of high elo players that aren't as famous literally only play one champion, all the time. The ones I can think of are GamersLegends: Warwick InvertedComposer: Singed SpamHappy: Only Poppy TiensiNoAkuma: Katarina and even here there are many more that ONLY play that one champion. Yet here I am saying that I can play multiple champions, in two different roles, not one champion, or even one role, but multiple champions in two roles. Why is that so bad that I HAVE to learn other roles, get other runes, etc, in order to win? Because you won't get what you want in every game. It is as simple as that. You will get it often, especially if you are not an asshole. But there is really no reason to not have a fallback plan in case you don't get what you want. If you are a high-profile player, it is easier to get what you want. If you have a good recent history, it is also easier to get what you want. You don't have to play all roles equally good. But you should not be completely unable to play if you have to play support, either. At least be able to support decently well. Basically, if you play 1 role + support, you can easily get by. The amount of champions you play for each role is completely irrelevant, unless they are picked/banned often. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:48 seRapH wrote: except spamhappy/zekent plays way more than poppy. But still playing multiple roles is how some people deal with soloq. You certainly don't have to, as playing a single champ gets results faster. I don't mean to say not to try to win just because you lost your role. Plus honestly it's fucking soloq I will never understand why people care so much about their elo. People like to compete, people like to win anything and everything. Winning makes you happy, losing makes you sad. Elo is a partial indicator of skill, considering very few people get the chance to play lol for anything but elo. | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
On December 05 2012 08:48 seRapH wrote: except spamhappy/zekent plays way more than poppy. But still playing multiple roles is how some people deal with soloq. You certainly don't have to, as playing a single champ gets results faster. I don't mean to say not to try to win just because you lost your role. Plus honestly it's fucking soloq I will never understand why people care so much about their elo. Yeah, playing one champ will definitly produce results faster. One person comes to mind that is pretty new to the league of legends scene: xHazzard. This guy just started playing about a year ago and was fresh to the game. He shot up to higher elo only playing Nidalee and learning the mechanics of the game through her, because he wanted to be a professional player, and now he is 'somewhat' | ||
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