EPT[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 21
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Canada12016 Posts
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ManyCookies
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Serpico
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On December 05 2012 07:36 BlackPaladin wrote: Why are you making shitty basketball comparisons. If you get banned from playing basketball you can still pratice and stay in shape. You aren't barred from improving so when your suspension from playing official games is up you can come back even stronger than before. Additionally the punishments are rarely if ever so severely long. IWD now can not only not play in competitive league, but by being banned he can't even practice his mechanics or play at all. His career in LoL is literally gone because he raged in solo q. That's just fucked up. Riot should have just suspeded him for a few months at max. :/ I hate ragers but it's ridic what riot is doing. Or do the smart thing and make sure he can never play with randoms, but only his team. So he can actually ONLY be a pro player. If he's toxic to the community (lol) then keep away from it and only let him play against other pros. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
The items I ended up having were Merc-treads (furor), BT, LW, IE, Hurricane, PD (no defense items #1 l0l0l) Do you guys think it's actually viable to build hurricane? After that game I feel that sacrificing lifesteal, armor pen, MS, or crit aren't worth it | ||
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Serpico
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On December 05 2012 07:38 ManyCookies wrote: He went through Tribunal SEVEN times. I mean god damn, that seems like it'd be sufficient warning. No, not really. If you don't actually tell people what the punishments may be for things you're being incredibly unfair. Nowhere has riot drawn the line and said after this many times you're gone forever. They need to actually be clear and have a structured set of rules so people can understand the consequences. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:38 ManyCookies wrote: He went through Tribunal SEVEN times. I mean god damn, that seems like it'd be sufficient warning. going through the tribunal 7 times isn't exactly hard. especially if he went through when they were giving ip out. all it takes is 1 person reporting you every game (for taking their role, not holding their hand, pointing out a mistake) ect. and the tribunal sheep early on tended to spam vote yes for ip and bans. | ||
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Sufficiency
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:40 Serpico wrote: No, not really. If you don't actually tell people what the punishments may be for things you're being incredibly unfair. Nowhere has riot drawn the line and said after this many times you're gone forever. They need to actually be clear and have a structured set of rules so people can understand the consequences. How do you know Riot hadn't contacted him before? I'm not assuming that they did or didn't, just that either way it's well within their rights to do this and they're not wrong for doing it. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:34 overt wrote: Wait. So Riot's rulings aren't even consistent? Like, this guy gets perm banned and gets a one tournament ban. IWD gets perm banned and gets a one year ban? There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:40 PrinceXizor wrote: going through the tribunal 7 times isn't exactly hard. especially if he went through when they were giving ip out. all it takes is 1 person reporting you every game (for taking their role, not holding their hand, pointing out a mistake) ect. and the tribunal sheep early on tended to spam vote yes for ip and bans. I've taken people's roles, pointed out mistakes, etc. for hundreds of games. It's entirely possible to do these things and not ever see a single email or peep out of the Tribunal. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:41 TwoToneTerran wrote: How do you know Riot hadn't contacted him before? I'm not assuming that they did or didn't, just that either way it's well within their rights to do this and they're not wrong for doing it. Because not making their system public so everyone can know where they stand in regards to punishments/rules etc is incredibly odd. Why only tell people privately? | ||
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:40 PrinceXizor wrote: going through the tribunal 7 times isn't exactly hard. especially if he went through when they were giving ip out. all it takes is 1 person reporting you every game (for taking their role, not holding their hand, pointing out a mistake) ect. and the tribunal sheep early on tended to spam vote yes for ip and bans. It's actually a rarity to be banned multiple times from the tribunal - Riot released some statistics awhile ago and less than 1% of players are banned multiple times by the tribunal. http://riot-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/images/news/December_2011/2011_12_16_tribunal/Infographic_Tribunal.jpg Honestly if you even make the tribunal at all you're a toxic player imo - I've done my fair share of raging but haven't received as much as a warning for it. I can't imagine how much unbridled rage you'd have to make your team mates endure to even show up in the tribunal, let alone be banned. | ||
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Serpico
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On December 05 2012 07:44 c.Deadly wrote: It's actually a rarity to be banned multiple times from the tribunal - Riot released some statistics awhile ago and less than 1% of players are banned multiple times by the tribunal. http://riot-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/images/news/December_2011/2011_12_16_tribunal/Infographic_Tribunal.jpg Honestly if you even make the tribunal at all you're a toxic player imo - I've done my fair share of raging but haven't received as much as a warning for it. I can't imagine how much unbridled rage you'd have to make your team mates endure to even show up in the tribunal, let alone be banned. You're not a visible pro player though. Raging on a stream where more people can see you hurts riot more than you. Which is why punishments wouldn't be equal for you as opposed to him. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:43 Seuss wrote: I've taken people's roles, pointed out mistakes, etc. for hundreds of games. It's entirely possible to do these things and not ever see a single email or peep out of the Tribunal. you weren't in a game with an entitled brat then. he could have been, you don't really know. I've been told i've been reported for "not helping in a team fight and assisting enemy team" by a jungler when i was protecting the carry the whole fight. so if i get queued up with the same guy multiple times and he reports me multiple times out of vengeance i have a shot at being on the tribunal. through no fault of anyone. it would be obvious now that people would vote against punishment in these cases, however why go through work when you get free ip for clicking punish. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:45 Serpico wrote: You're not a visible pro player though. Raging on a stream where more people can see you hurts riot more than you. Which is why punishments wouldn't be equal for you as opposed to him. If I am playing with regi and he rages on stream about me being a nub, at least I won't see it in game. | ||
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:45 Serpico wrote: You're not a visible pro player though. Raging on a stream where more people can see you hurts riot more than you. Which is why punishments wouldn't be equal for you as opposed to him. I don't follow this logic at all - Riot said in their statement that IWD made the tribunal and was punished 8 times, the fact that he's a pro player has nothing to do with that. Are you saying that people report him more often because he's a visible pro? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:48 Sufficiency wrote: If I am playing with regi and he rages on stream about me being a nub, at least I won't see it in game. likewise if you play with regi and he calls you noob in game, you can mute him or accept that you are a noob. reporting someone is just a way of being justified in your wrong viewpoints or justify flamebaiting. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 05 2012 07:42 JBright wrote: There is a difference though. All the teams playing in Season 3 will be contracted by Riot, which will undoubtedly include clauses where they will be punished for being banned by the tribunal. Season 2 was mainly a mesh of tournaments leading up to the big World Championships so Riot can at most ban him for the remainder of the season (August to October). iirc, Season 3 has it such that a few teams will go through relegation every 6 months so Riot essentially suspended IWD for 2 6 month "tournaments." I think a 6 month suspension should be good enough and it would be consistent with the Elohell guy suspension. I'd be fine with that if IWD signed his contract already and his contract outline that this was a possibility. Riot needs to have detailed expectations and explain the consequences of breaching them. It looks more like they decided, "hey instead of giving this guy a contract let's just ruin his career." Hosan got banned from regionals but had his team still somehow placed top three without him Riot would've either been forced to increase his ban or make him a salaried player. It's still an inconsistent ruling unless IWD was already making his Riot salary and had signed his contract. As far as I know the contracts for Season 3 haven't been signed yet. So they just threw him under the bus to avoid having to contract him at all. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
There also have been repeated incidents of similar behavior outside the game. Does this mean the game lobby, tournaments, hotels or what? Seriously, you have to consider that this player represents AND is paid by Riot. All of these other games referenced here mean nothing. The NBA doesn't pay the players, the teams do. This is like showing up to fan charity events, saying I hope you all know you suck and leaving because the fans who clearly don't play as much of that sport as you do not play well enough. Going AFK in games brings a lot of displeasure, ruining people's experiences should not be tolerated. If it's not tolerated then why would you allow that same person to take a paycheck from you? Would you hire an extremely talented employee who came to work and harassed the other less talented employees then quit projects whenever he desired? Of course not. Seriously, screw that guy. Grow up a bit or don't get involved with a company who wants to protect their PR. | ||
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